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LethalWolfe

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LeathelWolf:
"But if you need to work with uncompressed SD or HD video the PC options become fewer and more expensive."

How do you figure that? I not only have the same options as you in HD's but, the ability to add more then 2 hds making my total uncompressed video storage more widespread. Like having 2 250gb hd's is not enough as it is already but, I do have that extra option unless theres somthing I don't know about.

"When working w/SD or HD media a Mac + FCP is actually on the lower end of the price scale."

Now we are going for best bang for the buck. Ok I built my pc around the 1k range which is as follows..

P4 3.0c = $270
1gb Cosair 3700ddr ram = $280
Asus P4p800 Mobo = $130
Antec Tower w/PSu extra 120mm fan = $80
2x250gb hd WD 7200rpm 8mb cache = $225x2= $450
Sony Dvd burner = $150
ATI 9800 AIW = $339

This is a total of $1,699 w/o Montior all www.Newegg.com prices. Now we add Avid Xpress Pro which is $1,695 and we get a grand total of $3,394w/o monitor.

The entry level G5 1.6ghz stock is $1,799. Obviously we will have to add ram since more ram is better for video editing and give it 2x250gb HDs. Now the price is $2,824 w/o monitor. Lets now add FCP $999 and we get $3,823

Im obviously getting more bang for the buck in the same Pc category. I even have a better quality built machine. I can do anything you do as far as Video editing plus the extra ability to do 3d animation with my tweaked Radeon. You will have to add $350 to the finnal price to utilize the same video card as me. Where is the analog svideo input on any of the radeon cards offered for any G5? I also get that extra bonus.

If you are to use the Mac for the comfort of OS prefrence then thats understadable but, just know how much of a price diffrence you will be paying. I obviously showed above how XP is Stable while doing multiprocessing under the heaviest cpu stress so please dont attempt to belittle XP in terms of stability. Im still more then happy to send anyone a real time video if they arent convinced.

"Why did you bring up Flame and Inferno when others were talking about FCP?"

Well I just thought I would add an added feature the x86 has over the Mac in terms of professional work.

I will also add the Ease of use with FCP with its GUI just like OSX. That doesnt make it any better then what I can do.

1. Just so we are on the same page here SD=Standard Def video and HD=High Def video.

2. Internal storage capacity is a non-issue because you'll be using an external storage solution if you are working w/uncompressed SD or HD video.

3. That is a nice PC you spec'd out but I would be extremely surprised if it ran Avid Xpress Pro (check the Pro's "specifications" page on Avid's site). You also neglected to add the cost of the Mojo ($1699 + another $75 for component video i/o). W/o the Mojo Avid Xpress Pro is DV only. For less than a grand I can get quality SD capture hardware and for less than 2 grand I can get a quality HD capture card. BTW, the S-Video i/o on your video card is not used for editing on anything other than consumer applications.

4. Stablity. From personal and professional experience I've noticed that Windows based NLEs (non-linear editors) need more TLC and have more quirks than their Mac based counterparts. This is not to say that Win-based machines are the crash-happy crap-boxes that some people on this sight play them out to be, but they do require more looking after than their Mac counterparts. NLE's stress the whole computer, not just the proc or the video card. And that's where one of the "WinTel" world's biggest strengths becomes one of it's biggest weaknesses. There is such variety of mother boards, and procs, and video cards and sound cards, and drivers, and chipsets that getting that them all to "play nice" is impossible. But having tight, flawless system (hardware and software) integration is key for a stable NLE. And the more powerful the NLE the tighter the integration must be. Just look at Avid's site. 10 PC towers qualify to use the Pro software but only 2 qualify to use the Composer Adrenaline system (and only 1 qualifies to use the non-Adrenaline Composer). But one dual gig G5 is pretty much like every other dual gig G5. If MS made a closed hardware system and a specific version of XP to run on it I'm sure it would be just as smooth and stable as the best Mac. Conversely if Apple released an x86 version of OS X I don't think it would be any more stable than XP is. Like I said before, 5 or 6 year old PowerMac 9600 based Avids aren't still in regular service because they are the fastest thing on the block.


What I have on a G5+FCP that you do not have on an Avid Xpress Pro (off the top of my head).
1. FCP + 3rd party SD capture card has superior uncompressed SD abilities. The Pro + Mojo is limited to 1 stream of uncompressed SD video (and seems really geared for compressed/off-line SD video). The Mojo also lacks SDI i/o.
2. Superior Audio i/o. The Mojo, AFAIK, lacks balanced audio i/o
3. Native 8-bit and 10-bit video in FCP. 8-bit only, if that, in XPro.
4. Native HD editing in FCP. You'll need an entirely new Avid setup to get HD if you own an XPro. All I need is a HD capture card.
5. Avid Xpress Pro, because it is Avid's "budget" system lacks editing/interface features that FCP has (the FCP feature set is more comparible to an Avid Media or Film Composer).
6. AFAIK XPro does not support any other capture hardware other than the Mojo.
7. FCP 4 also comes with Soundtrack, Live Type, Cinema Tools, and Compressor.

The Pro is basically the XpressDV 3.5 upgrade w/limited uncompressed abilities when the Mojo is attached. It's not a bad system but it is, for the most part, limited to DV. If you are going to use Avid as your example you should compare a G5+FCP to a Media or Film Composer. Of course, you could put together an entire FCP based edit suite (decks, broadcast monitors, video scopes, etc.,) for less than the cost of a single Media/Film Composer system by itself. That's one of the amazing things about FCP. Its low price means that it is easily attainable for the no-budgets, but it's so flexible and powerful that it is being used more and more by the big budgets as well.

/rant.

BTW, any reason you didn't "buy" the RAM and HDDs for the G5 you spec'd at Newegg (or Crucial for the RAM) too instead of quoteing the prices from the Apple Store (which are known for being over-priced)?


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