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Snow Leopard is EXTREMELY buggy.

lamina

lamina

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I have a black MacBook, the last rev. before the aluminiums. I think.

Anyway, using iPhoto or Firefox, it will simply just lock up. It's happened 5 or 6 times today. Yeah. I've had to reboot that many times. I listen closely and I can hear my hard drive grinding. The drive itself sounds healthy, and I run Windows 7 without any trouble.

Woops. There it went again. Firefox just locks up for a few minutes, and the entire system refuses to budge, except for the mouse cursor. This is what Console says:

09-09-01 9:16:28 PM GrowlHelperApp[154] *** __NSAutoreleaseNoPool(): Object 0x454650 of class __NSFastEnumerationEnumerator autoreleased with no pool in place - just leaking

I killed GrowlHelperApp. Woops. There it went again, for about 5 minutes. I didn't want to lose all that I typed. I'll finish this here just in case it happens again.

Yes I have verified my disk, yes I have repaired permissions. Yes I did a clean install of Snow Leopard.
 
Is it not equally possible that the fault lies with Firefox or Growl, i.e. they haven't been updated properly for SL compatibility?
 
All apps you listed work 100% without problems for me. Growl worked immediately and so did FF. So far, I've had zero crashes or bugs
 
alFR said:
Is it not equally possible that the fault lies with Firefox or Growl, i.e. they haven't been updated properly for SL compatibility?
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FWIW, I'm running FireFox 3.5.2 and Growl 0.7.6 (not the most current version) since Friday with no crashes or any other significant problems.
 
alFR said:
Is it not equally possible that the fault lies with Firefox or Growl, i.e. they haven't been updated properly for SL compatibility?
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I recall apple has a list for SL incompatible apps? I don't think firefox is on it.

I also recall that growl is said to have problem?

I do know they works fine on leopard.

Easiest way? disable growl.

SL does save GB of disk space, but its a somewhat new OS, it can't be bug free. Think apple's record with Leopard.
 
Everything has been really smooth for me.

Clean install with upgrade DVD. No crashes yet and boot and shutdown speeds are impressive. Apps run faster and animations are much smoother overall.

I'm pleased.
 
Well, here I am in Windows 7.

It started to crash while I was using Safari. I think I will reinstall once I've backed up all my stuff. I really shouldn't have to do this. It's embarrassing to be showing my friends my pictures, and have the computer lock up for 5 minutes.

I think I'll log back in under single user mode and remove any apps that may be superfluous. Can't wait for that .1 update :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like your HDD to me, it's possible that Windows 7 works because it's not written on the portion of your HDD that is damaged, as clearly part of it is intact for the computer to be usable. Or, it could be that your HDD is on it's way out.

My buddy's MBP wasn't running SL well because he had so much ****, so I made him do a clean install and archived his old files, and everything runs smoother now. I suggest you do the same, and if the problem persists, well then you know it's not SL. Also, how much RAM do you have? Anything will hang if you have too little.
 
The only way I can crash the machine is by doing certain things with OpenCL in Quartz Composer - there are some bugs with that for sure but the rest of the OS has been solid as a rock for me and very fast.
 
Adobe better hurry up with the flash update as it drags safari by its feet, its ridicules, they had so much time on their hands and they havent updated a single thing it seems to me that the age of Adobe is slowly fading and good riddance never liked their sluggish applications in the first place.
 
lamina said:
Well, here I am in Windows 7.

It started to crash while I was using Safari. I think I will reinstall once I've backed up all my stuff. I really shouldn't have to do this. It's embarrassing to be showing my friends my pictures, and have the computer lock up for 5 minutes.

I think I'll log back in under single user mode and remove any apps that may be superfluous. Can't wait for that .1 update :rolleyes:
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I'm looking forward to 10.6 the more I read about the really technical advances it has made but damn, I do not want to go back to stupid 10.x.0 bugs! It's so typical of every OS X release to take a step back with such small yet noticeable mistakes.

10.5 was the first OS X initial release I bought, all the others I upgraded after at least 3 point releases. And 10.5 wasn't truly nice to use until .2. Hopefully, the point release for 10.6 will come frequently.
 
Dwalls90 said:
Sounds like your HDD to me, it's possible that Windows 7 works because it's not written on the portion of your HDD that is damaged, as clearly part of it is intact for the computer to be usable. Or, it could be that your HDD is on it's way out.

My buddy's MBP wasn't running SL well because he had so much ****, so I made him do a clean install and archived his old files, and everything runs smoother now. I suggest you do the same, and if the problem persists, well then you know it's not SL. Also, how much RAM do you have? Anything will hang if you have too little.
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I'm pretty sure my hard drive is fine, since it was working perfectly with Leopard before I installed Snow Leopard. I have 4GB of RAM and about 20GB of free disk space on my OS X partition.

I'm back in SL, after removing Growl in Safe Boot mode. Wow. I really like Growl, so I hope they update it soon, if that is the issue. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for all the comments.
 
That's a very provocative title, especially when the majority of us on macrumors and other places have had very little to complain about.

It's a major OS release, and this seems more of a niggle than a major crisis.

Whilst you say you did a clean install, was this from a formatted drive?
 
we have a blackbook as well... same as yours... upgraded to SL on saturday... firefox and iWork keeps crashing on it. firefox and safari were both crashing on my iMac last night, but where working fine all day sunday.

i hope Apply releases a patch soon that get rid of all these annoying bugs!!!
 
melissarae said:
we have a blackbook as well... same as yours... upgraded to SL on saturday... firefox and iWork keeps crashing on it. firefox and safari were both crashing on my iMac last night, but where working fine all day sunday.

i hope Apply releases a patch soon that get rid of all these annoying bugs!!!
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If they were working all day Sunday, then it's more likely a buggy website that you've visited. That's the problem with web browsers, you can't test against every website and you can't cater for every malformed piece of html/javascript.

It's unlikely to be fixed by a patch from Apple unless you or someone else submits a bug to the webkit or Firefox teams, showing the example website crashing in a repeatable fashion.

Simply wishing for some 'Golden' patch will get get you nothing. :(
 
MikeDTyke said:
That's a very provocative title, especially when the majority of us on macrumors and other places have had very little to complain about.

It's a major OS release, and this seems more of a niggle than a major crisis.

Whilst you say you did a clean install, was this from a formatted drive?
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Yes, I did reformat the drive before I installed.

BTW Firefox just locked up for a good 5 minutes while watching a YouTube video. I'm simply too lazy to reinstall tonight. I'll have to put up with this garbage for another couple of days.
 
lamina said:
I'm pretty sure my hard drive is fine, since it was working perfectly with Leopard before I installed Snow Leopard. I have 4GB of RAM and about 20GB of free disk space on my OS X partition.

I'm back in SL, after removing Growl in Safe Boot mode. Wow. I really like Growl, so I hope they update it soon, if that is the issue. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for all the comments.
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Your hard drive has undergone a major rejig of large number of blocks, including a defrag. You most likely didn't see an issue before because it was in a region(s) that was rarely or never accessed.
 
Dwalls90 said:
Sounds like your HDD to me, it's possible that Windows 7 works because it's not written on the portion of your HDD that is damaged, as clearly part of it is intact for the computer to be usable. Or, it could be that your HDD is on it's way out.
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It doesn't quite work like that, One thing is not specifically installed on one portion on the drive, its sprayed all over the drive. So it can't really be a HDD problem. it sounds to me like its just a bad install.

xeex said:
Adobe better hurry up with the flash update as it drags safari by its feet, its ridicules, they had so much time on their hands and they havent updated a single thing it seems to me that the age of Adobe is slowly fading and good riddance never liked their sluggish applications in the first place.
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I don't think that will happen any time soon. Flash is the worst written of anything anyone ever put on OS X. It's really sad how bad flash is on the mac it uses a ton of CPU, and it is the only thing that will crash for me on SL. Thanks too apple for that crash detection in Safari, if that wasn't there Safari would have totally crashed on my probably 200 times so far since friday.
 
MikeDTyke said:
If they were working all day Sunday, then it's more likely a buggy website that you've visited. That's the problem with web browsers, you can't test against every website and you can't cater for every malformed piece of html/javascript.

It's unlikely to be fixed by a patch from Apple unless you or someone else submits a bug to the webkit or Firefox teams, showing the example website crashing in a repeatable fashion.

Simply wishing for some 'Golden' patch will get get you nothing. :(
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noo... firefox has been crashing on both machines (bb and iMac) since we installed... but just yesterday safari started crashing (i was on macthemes2.net) constantly on my iMac. AND iWork has been crashing since the install on saturday. :(
 
I thought I dodged a bullet when I read the Firefox problems..:rolleyes:

Apparently not, tonight FF locked up on me forcing me to force quit. Back to Safari I guess. :rolleyes:
 
I haven't had one lock up or crash under Snow Leopard.

I think a lot of the people having problems have done a lot of customizations on their machines, or possibly they have some hardware issues.
 
Finder has an issue with moving files where it doesn't seem to move all the way or it leaves parts of packages behind. Not quite sure what's going on but it's certainly annoying.
 
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