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Okay, we've all seen the rumors about the Series 6 Apple watch, perhaps sleep tracking, Blood Oxygen percentage/warnings, so the question is, who thinks it will be a hardware specific upgrade, or available in the software upgrade? From what I understand, the watches already have the capability, but then, who knows? I do know the Garmin 6 Pro I have has a red light that comes on when it's measuring the SpO2, but don't know if that's hardware, or software. Yes, the red light is hardware, but it is merely a software modification? ANy ideas?
 
I just posted the below on another thread before seeing this one:

Rumour I just red on another (credible) Apple news site is that the S6 will have minimal hardware improvements. The suggestion is maybe WiFi 6 and better battery life. Also possibly sleep tracking will be S6 specific, though no corroboration as to why, and if there are no hardware changes to sensors that can only be due to battery life if it happens, because (contrary to what lots of people post all over this forum) Apple does historically make updates available to all older hardware that can support them. The same article suggests that blood oxygen might be coming - again if no hardware changes then perhaps only linked to better battery if it’s S6 only.

More battery life would be nice, but I can’t see it being more than an incremental bump as there hasn’t been any quantum shift in technology that I know of to translate to a step change in the Watch. If native sleep tracking is S6 only then I personally wouldn’t see that as a reason to upgrade, with good third party options out there already.

Personally I’m not fussed by WiFi 6 - even the MacBook Pro 16” I bought this week doesn’t have it, nor does my UniFi WiFi setup at home, and I surely won’t look at upgrading the APs in that until I own something that will make use of it (and I don’t include my 11 Pro Max in that, far less my Watch).

Obviously time will tell, but S5 to S6 will be a very small increment IMO if the rumours are right.
 
Thought I read somewhere that the current Apple Watch (S5 and possible S4) has the hardware for blood oxygen level monitoring but it’s not enabled.
 
S5 was already a very incremental upgrade over S4. I’m guessing that for S6, hardware changes are coming under the hood: more efficient processor and new oxygen sensor.

The native sleep tracking feature will probably be enabled due to both HW and SW: it’ll take advantage of more efficient sleep modes on the processor that are designed with sleep tracking in mind to allow plenty of sensor data capture with minimal battery impact.

I don’t expect major form factor changes, although I would like to see a thinner case. S7 might be the one that features new design with the integration of microLED screen tech.
 
S5 was actually a very significant upgrade over S4 - regardless of whether anyone feels AOD feature is a big deal or not, the screen tech that went into making it possible was significant.

Good point about a hardware low energy mode for sleep tracking however - that could indeed be the case, although that is something that could also be partially achieved in software by tweaking the current low power mode. It is going to be interesting to see how the expected sleep tracking capability is delivered.
 
From what I gather the sleep tracking will be software related...however not sure how it can be given i don’t think the battery life on the series 5 is at the level it needs to be for sleep tracking to be a thing.
 
I agree with what you are all saying, but I’ve been sleep tracking since the S3 with the third party app SleepMatic.
 
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Hardware moving forward.

Series 5 was a sub par upgrade over the Series 4, so Series 6 should transcend into a larger upgrade in a few areas, which....

What’s interesting, is that it was rumored yesterday that the Series 6 might offer a fingerprint reader, which would probably add another security layer v.s. Just using passcode.

But I suspect it Somehow will tie into the ‘Carkey’ new feature that’s been rumored, where the watch would create some type of independency of not utilizing the iPhone FaceID with NFC in the vehicle.
 
Hardware moving forward.

Series 5 was a sub par upgrade over the Series 4, so Series 6 should transcend into a larger upgrade in a few areas, which....

What’s interesting, is that it was rumored yesterday that the Series 6 might offer a fingerprint reader, which would probably add another security layer v.s. Just using passcode.

Did you notice in that article that for that to happen, or at least in the patent drawing, that the antenna would be moved to the BAND? If that happens, there's gonna be a lot of people upset that now they have to pay even more for a new watch band, and most likely, due to the patent, 3rd parties won't be able to sell or create them for fear of patent infringement.
 
Did you notice in that article that for that to happen, or at least in the patent drawing, that the antenna would be moved to the BAND? If that happens, there's gonna be a lot of people upset that now they have to pay even more for a new watch band, and most likely, due to the patent, 3rd parties won't be able to sell or create them for fear of patent infringement.

I didn’t see/read that about the possible antenna movement. Sometimes I think with technology, to bring it ‘for the better of good’, there has to be a sacrifice somewhere else. At least that seems how it is in terms of a smart watch, because you only have so much physical space to work with with such a device. Should be interesting what Changes specifically to Make way for new technology.
 
I’d love to see how many of the people who actually have an S5 think it’s a “sub par” upgrade versus the people who shoot it down while never having tried AOD. Regardless, as I said above the tech that enabled it was not a small increment, and I’ve seen virtually nobody with an S5 saying AOD isn't a great improvement.

The article I read about fingerprint scanning explicitly said it was likely a series 7 rather than series 6 upgrade, which seems a lot more likely to me, especially if it’s going to be under the screen, which I think it has to be. The iPhone has to be a much easier device to add it to as it has plenty of challenges already without the Watch’s lack of space and additional layer in the screen. The iPhone is also the flagship device and would benefit from a fingerprint reader under the glass, so will likely get it first.

I haven’t read anything about car key on the Watch, but I could have missed it, especially if it was embedded in an article about Apple working with BMW on it as I didn’t even read that I care so little (and I say that as someone driving his fifth - but last - BMW).

If it does require a band with an antenna that would create an interesting dynamic. I believe there’s already a significant majority of Watch owners who wear the band it came with all the time - at least among the people I see wearing Watches here in NZ, and they obviously would be quite happy - oblivious in fact.

There is also a significant minority who have dozens of bands. I expect there is also a fair number with a handful of bands. Apple has a good source of easy profit in these people - the Sport Loop especially sells for many times over what it must cost to produce. I know Apple would be willing to kill its accessory band sideline if it saw value in doing that, but I’m not sure car key is that value. It’s also a ‘slow burn’ feature as it will only be of value to owners of the vehicles it works with, which tend to be newer models that not everyone can afford never mind chooses.

I think a CPU bump is almost certain. The S4 was probably fast enough, but without seeing what faster still looks like or can handle I can’t be sure, and we may not yet be where the iPhone has been for some time where the processing is so fast nobody can tell the difference, and all it does is enable more impressive computational photography features.

I’m unconvinced the S4 and S5 don’t have the sensors needed for Blood Oxygen monitoring already, but the S6 could very likely improve sensors. It will likely have a bit more battery capacity, but only a little. All of that is the definition of incremental.

Power management to help it last long enough for sleep tracking, as someone posted earlier, seems very likely also.

I haven’t hear rumour of a killer feature yet however.
 
I think sleep tracking and blood oxygen will be a feature of wo7. But with Apple you never know....
 
I’d guess it’s a hardware thing. From a UX standpoint, my 18 month 40mm S4 isn’t really a battery champ come 11pm (30-40% left) so it’s really hard for Apple to find an ideal use case where overnight charging is not an option.

Three things they can do to mitigate this:

1. Sleep tracking co-processor that drains only 5% of charge overnight. Current sleep apps with theater mode on drains 10-15% overnight.

Sleep tracking processor might be an easy task for Apple, they already have super small chips inside their AirPods so they know how to do low power processors, they just need to repurpose the use case.

2. Increase battery size and do a Series 3 thicc watch.

They brought the watch back to Series 0 thinness when they redesigned w/ S4 but with the iPhone batteries getting some love again, they can do this with the S4 design as well.

3. Fast-charge tech on a watch

Wireless fast-fuel charging might defer the need for 1 and 2 when you can confidently charge your watch for 15-30 minutes and have an assured full day work, and one night’s sleep out of it.

Get up, charge and get ready for work in 30-45mins and come back to a fully charged watch.

#3 is by far the best bet if they wanna forgo 1 and 2, but judging by how we use our watch, it’s looking more like we need a new hardware to fit sleep tracking to our ideal use scenario.

Slightly OT:
They might stretch this design a bit, much like how they got complacent with the iPhone 6 design and just used new materials to refresh its look, you really can’t do anything much with a squircle At this point.
 
Did you notice in that article that for that to happen, or at least in the patent drawing, that the antenna would be moved to the BAND? If that happens, there's gonna be a lot of people upset that now they have to pay even more for a new watch band, and most likely, due to the patent, 3rd parties won't be able to sell or create them for fear of patent infringement.

I would be annoyed if that happened because I have many third party bands.
 
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I think sleep tracking and blood oxygen will be a feature of wo7. But with Apple you never know....

I’m sure there will be some type of hardware-tweaking integration for the sleep tracking, but yes, it’s mainly software related that’s been rumored for quite some time. As far as blood oxygen, I don’t suspect that’s probably anytime ready, maybe another two years for maturation, along with significant internal upgraded hardware to support that type of health technology. Right now, we’re seeing the Apple Watch about every three years bring something major internally/hardware alterations.
 
I’m pretty sure I’ll be holding onto my S5. I have zero interest in a blood/oxygen level feature or a sleep tracking app. I don’t like wearing my watch to sleep plus there’s already very good 3rd party support if you want a sleep tracker. Always on display is what I’ve wanted for a long time and the S5 gives me that.

Also, from all indications it looks like the hardware is going to stay the same. If the S6 was somehow slimmer that would sway me but it doesn’t look that way. Battery life on my S5 is fine. It gets me through the day easily and I don’t mind charging it bedside every night.
 
I’m pretty sure I’ll be holding onto my S5. I have zero interest in a blood/oxygen level feature or a sleep tracking app. I don’t like wearing my watch to sleep plus there’s already very good 3rd party support if you want a sleep tracker. Always on display is what I’ve wanted for a long time and the S5 gives me that.

Also, from all indications it looks like the hardware is going to stay the same. If the S6 was somehow slimmer that would sway me but it doesn’t look that way. Battery life on my S5 is fine. It gets me through the day easily and I don’t mind charging it bedside every night.
Exactly this, except I already have an S4 I use with Autosleep for sleep tracking.

I was on the fence about getting an S5 Hermes SBSS, and the reason I decided not to was partly because I got a new 16"MBP (so... money) and a little because I'm intrigued that I might like the S6, but I'm not expecting much from the S6 based on what I'm hearing.

That said I didn't see a single rumour of AOD last year before the keynote - I wasn't even convinced there was going to be an S5 announced going into that. Maybe Apple will show me something I didn't know I wanted until I see it I guess.

The difference this year is that I literally can't think of anything that's near likely to be part of it that I really care much about. I'd like 5GHz WiFi and WPA Enterprise support, but I could live another year without it if that's all the 6 has to tempt me, and I don't know how much room another radio and antenna needs to know if its any way realistic - I'm pretty sure it's not top priority for 2020 if there is something else that could use the internal real-estate it would need.

Thinner would be nice, but realistically the Watch sells very well as thick as it is and I can't see a time soon when making it appreciably thinner will win out over adding more tech, or more battery life.
 
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