You will have to wait until next week. They'll be plenty of articles and videos showing off benchmarks.Hi, when do we get test data on the read/write speed of the 256, 512 and 1TB configurations? Last time I asked Apple the read/write speed of the SSD, Tech Support said they had no idea and referred me to macrumors forum members!
You can buy TB5 enclosures and put in a gen 4 SSD, but it's a huge overkill for majority of workloads.
The system already feels like "on a fast internal SSD" with a USB4/TB3 enclosure and any decent TLC NVMe.
You mean Thunderbolt 4 from 2020…Only the M4-Pro variant of the Mini has Thunderbolt5; the M4 has the same old TB3 speed from 2016(still good, but only half as fast).
I ordered a binned M4-Pro CPU so that I could get the Thunderbolt5 and faster IO.
Thunderbolt4 isn't really a thing, it's effectively just shorthand for a port that is both USB4 and Thunderbolt3 compatible. USB4 is also electrically identical to Thunderbolt3.You mean Thunderbolt 4 from 2020…
except no one makes said enclosures yet and thunderbolt 4 enclosures are just finally getting more prevalent this yearYou can buy TB5 enclosures and put in a gen 4 SSD, but it's a huge overkill for majority of workloads.
The system already feels like "on a fast internal SSD" with a USB4/TB3 enclosure and any decent TLC NVMe.
How do you handle the external storage as it relates to MacOS? For example, do I need to move my Photos library to the external volume to have sufficient space on the internal SSD drive/volume?You can buy TB5 enclosures and put in a gen 4 SSD, but it's a huge overkill for majority of workloads.
The system already feels like "on a fast internal SSD" with a USB4/TB3 enclosure and any decent TLC NVMe.
That's what I do. I'm not a creative, so outside of Photo's/Videos, I could live off a 256 GB drive just fine, though I choose to go to 512. Regardless, my Photos library sits near a full terabyte at this point. I got a 2GB Sandisk USB-C SSD ($125) and have my Photo's library stored on said SSD.How do you handle the external storage as it relates to MacOS? For example, do I need to move my Photos library to the external volume to have sufficient space on the internal SSD drive/volume?
there's oneexcept no one makes said enclosures yet and thunderbolt 4 enclosures are just finally getting more prevalent this year
That's what I do. I'm not a creative, so outside of Photo's/Videos, I could live off a 256 GB drive just fine, though I choose to go to 512. Regardless, my Photos library sits near a full terabyte at this point. I got a 2GB Sandisk USB-C SSD ($125) and have my Photo's library stored on said SSD.
except no one makes said enclosures yet and thunderbolt 4 enclosures are just finally getting more prevalent this year
I'm just talking about 40gbps enclosures. last year there were only like 2 on amazon when I went to buy one, this year there are more. Those TB5 enclosures aren't available yet and they look large and expensiveTB3 enclosures are 100% the same as a TB4 enclosure except for the branding and have been around for almost a decade.
TB5 enclosures are already announced. https://www.ssi.com.tw/product/pcie-expansion/thunderbolt-5-pcie-gen4x4-expansion-enclosure
I had a ugreen 40gbps enclosure and it hit just over 3200 with a Hynix P31 2TB NVMe. Problem was the little PWM fan in it clicked and whined so returned it.I'm just talking about 40gbps enclosures. last year there were only like 2 on amazon when I went to buy one, this year there are more. Those TB5 enclosures aren't available yet and they look large and expensive
I have an acacis one with no fan that goes that fast. All my data is stored on it and it's been great. I don't know why slow sata drives still exist considering what this cost to put together with a wd blackI had a ugreen 40gbps enclosure and it hit just over 3200 with a Hynix P31 2TB NVMe. Problem was the little PWM fan in it clicked and whined so returned it.
@Gabebear "TB3 enclosures are 100% the same as a TB4 enclosure..."
That's somewhat misleading.
There is no TB4 device enclosure controller chip, as Intel only makes a TB4 dock/hub controller chip.
That TB4 dock controller chip only allocates one lane of PCIe 3 (~800MB/s) to the NVMe slot (the rest are allocated to downstream TB4 hub ports etc).
So there can be TB4 enclosures (which are also docks/hubs) that are NVMe enclosures. but slower...
USB4 allows the full 40Gb/s (less some for alt-mode bandwidth) to NVMe and other device enclosures.
TB3's '40Gb'/s only has up to 22Gb/s allocated to storage data.
So enclosure manufacturers who are branding 'TB4' enclosures are either selling USB4 controller devices (TB3 compatible), or in the past have been selling TB3 controller devices with a USB 3.2 Gen 2 controller as well.
As usual with the USB-IF, clear as mud.
Edit: According to Linus (of LTT on YT) there are no fully functioning USB4 cables longer than 0.8 metres, only Intel certified active-TB4 ones work at longer lengths.
Hey man,there's one
https://www.owc.com/solutions/envoy-ultra
and there's another one
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/08...t-thunderbolt-5-external-ssd-drive-announced/
I agree with you, to a certain extent. But they are not the same at all. Yes they both reach 40Gps.TB3 enclosures are 100% the same as a TB4 enclosure except for the branding and have been around for almost a decade.
TB5 enclosures are already announced. https://www.ssi.com.tw/product/pcie-expansion/thunderbolt-5-pcie-gen4x4-expansion-enclosure
The TB part of TB3 and TB4 are very literally the same. TB4 made some optional stuff mandatory, but that’s it.I agree with you, to a certain extent. But they are not the same at all. Yes they both reach 40Gps.
Both Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 offer access to the same amount of PCIe Gen 3 bandwidth: 40Gbps. What this means in real-world applications is that Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 devices can either allocate or consume the transmission of data at a flow of up to 40Gbps.
- There are three primary Thunderbolt 40Gb/s chipsets for external devices.
- Two of these chipsets are Thunderbolt 3, while one is Thunderbolt 4. The differences in Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 are reflected in these chipset designs and layouts as they apply to the different functions and capabilities all three uniquely support and enable.
- Thunderbolt 3 can be used to consume and distribute bandwidth, allowing it to be used in both docking and storage solutions.
- Thunderbolt 4 is rigidly designed to hub bandwidth. As a result, its primarily used in docks and hubs.
For instance, if you connect a Thunderbolt drive to a Thunderbolt 3 dock it will receive the same amount of bandwidth and thus reach the same potential read/write speeds as if you connected it to a Thunderbolt 4 dock―if you don’t connect anything else to the Thunderbolt 4 dock. More on that in a bit.
This common bandwidth rating is the primary contributor to confusion surrounding Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4.
These bandwidth capabilities are unique to three Intel chipsets: Alpine Ridge, Titan Ridge, and Goshen Ridge. Alpine Ridge and Titan Ridge are Thunderbolt 3 chipsets and primarily differ in how they support video transmission and provide power to connected devices.
Goshen Ridge is Intel’s Thunderbolt 4 chipset. And though it supports 40Gbps of bandwidth like the Alpine Ridge and Titan Ridge chipsets that came before it, Intel developed Goshen Ridge not to improve performance over the Thunderbolt 3 chipsets, but to provide the ability to connect a greater number of Thunderbolt devices.
As a result, Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 differ greatly in how they allocate the 40Gbps of PCIe bandwidth available to them.
While Thunderbolt 3 devices can both consume data at Thunderbolt speeds and pass data downstream to a single additional Thunderbolt device at those same Thunderbolt speeds, Thunderbolt 4 can only pass data downstream. But thanks to that Goshen Ridge chipset design, Thunderbolt 4 can pass that data to as many as three devices.
Because Thunderbolt 4’s purpose was to add more available downstream Thunderbolt ports, the Thunderbolt 4 chipset layout is designed to hub and/or disperse that 40 Gbps of bandwidth traveling down the four PCIe Gen3 lanes. Unlike Thunderbolt 4, Thunderbolt 3’s chipset layout is designed to allow a Thunderbolt 3 device to consume bandwidth first.
While Thunderbolt 4 passes along most of its bandwidth to the other three Thunderbolt connections it supports, Thunderbolt 3 devices have a choice: they can pass that bandwidth along to the single additional Thunderbolt port, they can consume that bandwidth themselves, or both.
TB5 devices are not ready yet for primetime. But I agree art the true successor to TB3. TB4 is mostly aimed for enclosures and allow the full speed of 40Gbps to it's fullest. So they are not the same.
here’s a vid I watched the other day, if you want extra storage get a Thunderbolt 4 enclosure and put an NVMe SSD in it which is faster than the Internal SSD.Any new SSD benchmark info on m4 mini, especially 256GB vs 512GB?
I’m probably buying the base model (16GB / 256GB) but I hope to confirm the 256GB isn’t slower like it was on the m2 models.
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