Supplies Mac Pro Constrained - New MacPro Coming??

rudeboynyc said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1167660/

Finally?!
Been waiting to upgrade my MacPro. What specs do you guys expect?
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I wouldn't get too excited. :eek:

The source of the news says that the Mac Pro and Mac Mini SERVER versions are supply constrained. This makes perfect sense. I personally expect the Mac Pro and Mac Mini Server variations to EOL and not be replaced with anything.

It's being widely reported out of WWDC that Lion Server will be an App Store purchase going forward. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Apple to offer them as a BTO option anymore... so sell down the existing stock and EOL them. People can then just buy the regular models and add the Server software after purchase.
 
was about to buy the 6 or 12 core today but after reading this i might just wait until next(?) tuesday to find out if anythings gonna happen...


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VirtualRain said:
I wouldn't get too excited. :eek:

The source of the news says that the Mac Pro and Mac Mini SERVER versions are supply constrained. This makes perfect sense. I personally expect the Mac Pro and Mac Mini Server variations to EOL and not be replaced with anything.

It's being widely reported out of WWDC that Lion Server will be an App Store purchase going forward. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Apple to offer them as a BTO option anymore... so sell down the existing stock and EOL them. People can then just buy the regular models and add the Server software after purchase.
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So since servers aren't BTO any more, and their supply is constrained it would be a new mac pro that replaces them?
 
VirtualRain said:
The source of the news says that the Mac Pro and Mac Mini SERVER versions are supply constrained. This makes perfect sense. I personally expect the Mac Pro and Mac Mini Server variations to EOL and not be replaced with anything.

It's being widely reported out of WWDC that Lion Server will be an App Store purchase going forward. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Apple to offer them as a BTO option anymore... so sell down the existing stock and EOL them. People can then just buy the regular models and add the Server software after purchase.
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At least on the Mac Mini, the hardware is different. It's not simply a different software bundle.
 
Go to the Apple website and verify for yourself that there is no constraint on the Mac Mini server and MP server. This is just another BS rumor.

JohnG
 
rudeboynyc said:
So since servers aren't BTO any more, and their supply is constrained it would be a new mac pro that replaces them?
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If you goto the Apple website then you can see that OSX Lion Server will be £34.99 app store download.

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/server/

As such no need to sell separate server versions at all.

As has been widely discussed on here already then the Sandybridge-E based Xeons won't be launching until Q4 2011/Q1 2012, so other then a processor bump to higher speeds then nothing to change too.

It wouldn't make sense for Apple to design and build a new enclosure around the existing motherboard when will be changing it with the Sandybridge-E Xeons and supporting chipset motherboard when they launch.
 
Concorde Rules said:
And if your REALLY lucky maybe Apple will get a deal to get the chips early again like the 2009 MP.
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Unfortunately, they did not get the 2009 MP processors early (Apple was actually behind other vendors in releasing those models).

The 2008 MP was the last year they did get parts early, and were able to beat other vendors with shipping systems. It seems this was the last year Apple had this deal with Intel (2009 on has so far followed Intel's standard release schedule).
 
nanofrog said:
Unfortunately, they did not get the 2009 MP processors early (Apple was actually behind other vendors in releasing those models).
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Not true... Apple actually announced Nehalem before Intel :)

If you Google Apple Nehalem first you will get a lot of stories like these...

http://news.cnet.com/apple-beats-intel-to-nehalem-ep-chip-launch/

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/160619/apple_jumpstarts_nehalem_launch_for_intel.html

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/662263/

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...ounce_nehalem_workstations_apple_doesnt_count
 
VirtualRain said:
Not true... Apple actually announced Nehalem before Intel :)

If you Google Apple Nehalem first you will get a lot of stories like these...
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As in users' actually had systems in their hands?

As a general rule, announcements /= shipped systems.

In this case, I don't recall this actually being any different either (I seem to recall there was a delay between the announcement and when users' actually had the box, unpacked it, and had it setup and running). Not "users' had systems in hand ~ 1Q or better ahead of other vendors' products making to users doorsteps as was the case with the 2008.
 
Umbongo said:
People had 2009 Mac Pros shortly after Apple announced them. Less than a week in this case, and so like 3 weeks before the official Intel and partners releases:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/664724/
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I recall that the CPU's were officially shipped on March 29, 2009 (which can easily be confirmed by Wiki or other sources). What I didn't recall, is how long it took for those that bought the Apple MP's to actually get them.

As per the PC versions, shipments were reaching users as early as April IIRC, so the lead time Apple had was minimal in that instance (past instances lead to ~1Q sooner shipments than other vendors, which is usually the norm in such cases as a 13wk lead time is quite common to iron out the manufacturing and build up enough stock to actually ship it out).

Though the difference only seems to be about 1 - 1.5 months in this instance, it was still a lead on the competition. :D Thanks for the clarification (particularly on the link as to when the 2009 made it to human hands that weren't attached to Apple employees :p).
 
I'm eager for the next Mac Pro but unfortunately I don't think it's coming soon. Instead they will drop the term server on their hardware and announce any computer can serve as a server just by buying the Lion Server version.

I've read the apple website that states you must have Snow Leopard Server to upgrade to Lion Server but I don't think this is what they really mean. I think they will allow you to upgrade to Lion Server with the regular version. Hopefully we get clarification soon.

Hope I'm wrong about the Mac Pro update and we see new stuff soon. :(
 
nanofrog said:
Unfortunately, they did not get the 2009 MP processors early (Apple was actually behind other vendors in releasing those models).

The 2008 MP was the last year they did get parts early, and were able to beat other vendors with shipping systems. It seems this was the last year Apple had this deal with Intel (2009 on has so far followed Intel's standard release schedule).
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Nah.

I ordered mine March 23rd. People already had theres by now as I was looking at the difference between the 2.66 (which I eventually swapped to) and the 2.93.

It was two-three weeks max before "official" CPU release date.
 
Garamond said:
Oh, it's this thread again.
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We really need a sticky with "The Mac Pro WILL NOT be updated until Q4 2011 at the earliest, more likely Q1 2012 as the CPUs required to update the Mac Pro will not be available until then, so there is nothing to update it too", since this must be being rehashed at least once a week.
 
VirtualRain said:
The source of the news says that the Mac Pro and Mac Mini SERVER versions are supply constrained. This makes perfect sense. I personally expect the Mac Pro and Mac Mini Server variations to EOL and not be replaced with anything.

It's being widely reported out of WWDC that Lion Server will be an App Store purchase going forward. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Apple to offer them as a BTO option anymore... so sell down the existing stock and EOL them. People can then just buy the regular models and add the Server software after purchase.
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Quite true.

johnnymg said:
Go to the Apple website and verify for yourself that there is no constraint on the Mac Mini server and MP server. This is just another BS rumor.
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Actually, Apple has been know to constrain delivery through distribution channels without it affecting Apple's ability to sell and deliver the systems directly.

So while, I do believe that they probably are constrained. It's only the server version and doesn't point to updated models.
 
chrismacguy said:
We really need a sticky with "The Mac Pro WILL NOT be updated until Q4 2011 at the earliest, more likely Q1 2012 as the CPUs required to update the Mac Pro will not be available until then, so there is nothing to update it too", since this must be being rehashed at least once a week.
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Sigh. The golden rule of Apple: They update once a year. Always.
 
goMac said:
Sigh. The golden rule of Apple: They update once a year. Always.
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They can't even update that often if there's no parts. :eek: So they're stuck dealing with Intel's schedules just like everyone else. :p

Unfortunately, the Xeons are getting more and more complex, so it's taking longer to develop than it did a few years ago (to be expected IMO though when in 3 years they've gone from 771 pins to 2011 pins).
 
chrismacguy said:
We really need a sticky with "The Mac Pro WILL NOT be updated until Q4 2011 at the earliest, more likely Q1 2012 as the CPUs required to update the Mac Pro will not be available until then, so there is nothing to update it too", since this must be being rehashed at least once a week.
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One thing I always liked about Apple; they love to knock your socks off with their new product line. I think you are mistaken sir but you need not reply.. we've gotten your point, over, and over, and over, and over...... in every single weekly "when is MP update?" thread.

I know that BB is out of both MP base model and upgraded MP for five weeks now and that tells me that something is changing. I can't say whether BB is discontinuing the MP, or if Apple's number one retailer outside of an Apple store is not able to get more inventory due to constrained supplies. I also am aware that other retailers are out of stock going on two weeks now. I know Lion is coming in July. I know that some say CPU is not ready, but do they work for Apple building the MacPro? DOUBT IT.:p
 
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