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Tesla's CarPlay Plans Delayed by Apple Maps Compatibility Issue

diamond.g said:
It seems like Tesla is trying to get Apple maps to match their routing so users can still use FSD. If you have no destination set FSD does interesting things.
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again, as replied above...

Im baffled as to why a Tesla driver who is presumably using Full Self Drive would need, want, or expect a second mapping application open at the same time.
I dont get the use case.

For sure, if you arent using Tesla's maps and navigation then use Apple's or Google's etc via CarPlay but who would want or expect to use both simultaneously?
 
stocklen said:
again, as replied above...

Im baffled as to why a Tesla driver who is presumably using Full Self Drive would need, want, or expect a second mapping application open at the same time.
I dont get the use case.

For sure, if you arent using Tesla's maps and navigation then use Apple's or Google's etc via CarPlay but who would want or expect to use both simultaneously?
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Good question, but there's probably a logical reason. Maybe an Apple user who wants to use Full Self-Driving but wants the Apple experience in the process (seeing their text messages on the screen, giving commands to Siri, changing music or podcasts via the CarPlay app, et cetera).
 
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jent said:
Good question, but there's probably a logical reason. Maybe an Apple user who wants to use Full Self-Driving but wants the Apple experience in the process (seeing their text messages on the screen, giving commands to Siri, changing music or podcasts via the CarPlay app, et cetera).
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oh absolutely but thats NOT maps...

Theres plenty more to CarPlay as you said, its just that maps is something I wouldnt see the need to open and use if im simultaneously using tesla's mapping.

That said, also presumably the CarPlay screen will be open in a window and therefore obliterating the usual map area anyway in the interface.


As someone who has driven a Tesla, and currently does not but might do again in the future... my current car has CarPlay and I very much appreciate it and would miss it if I didnt have it. CarPlay to me does include Apple Maps functionality but only because my car's built in maps are rather rubbish. CarPlay also takes over the whole infotainment screen and although you could easily switch between Apple and the built in one with a couple of presses of a button... I dont really see the use case as you want to use one or the other.
 
nt5672 said:
Don't see this as a problem.

While I'm not and never will be a Tesla purchaser, Musk rescues astronauts that NASA can't, builds rockets that other's can't, competes with nation states on satellites, provides free global internet in times of local disasters, and has visions that most under performers will never even try to understand.

I've never understood why low performers and other tech cult members are so hateful of success.

Is he weird, yes. That does not change the fact that he has contributed a lot of good to the world.

Tesla will easily solve this, if they want too.
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RE: Don't see the problem... It is weird that when I "share" a destination from iPhone to Tesla navigator, Tesla calculate a new route which may or may not be exactly the route Apple Maps calculates. It's not a big deal for me since I don't have FSD. For these two routes to be reconciled Apple Maps needs to be able to be given an exact route fed back from Tesla. (Note: Tesla's route takes into account Super Charger locations and the cars State Of Charge information. ) This is probably the problem. Who's the boss of the route? Tesla's route almost guaranties the car won't run out battery charge. Apple's route has no idea. For short trips who really care. For long routes like Seattle to San Francisco it really important to navigate to charger locations.

RE: Elon haters: It's all political - obviously.
 
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stocklen said:
oh absolutely but thats NOT maps...

Theres plenty more to CarPlay as you said, its just that maps is something I wouldnt see the need to open and use if im simultaneously using tesla's mapping.

That said, also presumably the CarPlay screen will be open in a window and therefore obliterating the usual map area anyway in the interface.


As someone who has driven a Tesla, and currently does not but might do again in the future... my current car has CarPlay and I very much appreciate it and would miss it if I didnt have it. CarPlay to me does include Apple Maps functionality but only because my car's built in maps are rather rubbish. CarPlay also takes over the whole infotainment screen and although you could easily switch between Apple and the built in one with a couple of presses of a button... I dont really see the use case as you want to use one or the other.
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I recall an earlier Tesla CarPlay article from recent weeks or months here on MacRumors that discussed the possibility of a (I think first-ever) setup where CarPlay wouldn’t take up the whole screen. Which could explain some of the complications if that’s what’s happening.
 
stocklen said:
again, as replied above...

Im baffled as to why a Tesla driver who is presumably using Full Self Drive would need, want, or expect a second mapping application open at the same time.
I dont get the use case.

For sure, if you arent using Tesla's maps and navigation then use Apple's or Google's etc via CarPlay but who would want or expect to use both simultaneously?
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Tesla is in a crappy position (of their own doing) of having newly sold vehicles that (without FSD) don't have lane centering.

It is also a UX concern, if I am navigating via Apple Maps and I turn FSD on, what does the car do. Should Tesla disable FSD access when you are using CarPlay?
 
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Glad to see there's collaboration to make this a reality. Now Rivian needs to come on board with Apple Maps and CarPlay integration.
 
That’s why Apple should make their own car. Carplay will be an endless journey of fixing compatibility issues with different car makers and providing suboptimal experience to support different display sizes.

You can design however you want if you control the hardware yourself
 
Sputman99 said:
OMG that sounds like a fender bender in the making
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No it's not. Grow up!

Think about it. The issue is obvious and non-trivial.

If a PERSON is driving a car, they look at Apple Maps and control the route taken by the car, presumably matching Apple Maps, but occasionally making changes, especially if this is a that's well known.

Now think about a self-driving car. The self-driving car doesn't need Apple Maps, it has its own plan for the route. Apple Maps exists to show the PASSENGER where the car is going and what the route will be.
But how do the self-driving car and Apple Maps mutually communicate information? How does Apple Maps know the route the car wants to take? If the user asks Apple Maps to add a stop, how does the car know that?

You need some sort of TWO-WAY protocol for both sides to communicate. The car needs to tell Apple where it is headed, and its route. OTOH if the user prefers to make changes (or even set the end point) in Apple Maps, that info needs to go to the car.
None of this is technically that hard, and there will never be a situation where Apple Maps is overriding the route and driving of the car, nothing about that makes ANY sense, but it does require both sides to take some time to figure out the protocol and the kinds of data interchange that will be required. Especially since Apple will want to get this right (in a generic sense) this first time so that the same protocol will work every other self-driving car that's coming along.
 
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justanotherdave said:
Musk doesn’t do any of that. He hires engineers that do all the work and his sycophants give him the credit as if he personally did it.
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Failure to see that the top leader sets the direction is just sticking your head in the sand.

Why isn't Cook done any of that. Well, because he focuses on cutting costs. Why is Apple software so bad, because Cook is cutting costs.

Whatever the reason for Musk, it would not be happening unless he embraced it, set the strategy, and funded it. Tech cult hatred is rising and bubbling away.
 
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travis64 said:
We dont need carplay we already have apple music just need waze
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The app sucksssss, I don't want a half baked android version that's always making me login. Nothing like having actual Apple Music from CarPlay.
Hopefully we get CarPlay integration, as that's the one thing I think that would stop me from getting rid of our Model Y possible in the next year.
 
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I rented a Tesla Model Y recently and was absolutely horrified by how poor the navigation and mapping software was. Twice we took the wrong turn at a complex freeway junction because the Tesla map was unclear. Apple Maps on CarPlay is a dramatic improvement over what Tesla offers and I will certainly never buy a car that doesn't offer CarPlay.
 
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robfoll said:
I rented a Tesla Model Y recently and was absolutely horrified by how poor the navigation and mapping software was. Twice we took the wrong turn at a complex freeway junction because the Tesla map was unclear. Apple Maps on CarPlay is a dramatic improvement over what Tesla offers and I will certainly never buy a car that doesn't offer CarPlay.
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A sample size of one to form this conclusion? I guess anybody could form the same conclusion if Google Maps or Waze misdirected the route, once.
 
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stocklen said:
again, as replied above...

Im baffled as to why a Tesla driver who is presumably using Full Self Drive would need, want, or expect a second mapping application open at the same time.
I dont get the use case.

For sure, if you arent using Tesla's maps and navigation then use Apple's or Google's etc via CarPlay but who would want or expect to use both simultaneously?
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I use FSD 98% of the time. I would want to use both Apple Maps and Tesla's native maps (AFAIK there source is Google) in traffic jam situations -- want to see if there are different suggestions (say for entering NYC - use Lincoln Tunnel or GWB or Holland Tunnel). I tend to trust Apple Maps more than Tesla/Google -- it often makes the better guesses.
 
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