The MacRumors Show: Two Weeks Using watchOS 10, iOS 17, and macOS Sonoma

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After spending two weeks using the beta versions of watchOS 10, iOS 17, iPadOS 17, macOS Sonoma, and tvOS 17, we discuss our experiences and highlight our favorite new features from each of the updates on this week's episode of The MacRumors Show.

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watchOS 10 is a major update for the Apple Watch, overhauling its entire user interface. The update refocuses the Apple Watch around a scrollable view of widgets, remaps the buttons, and rearranges the Home Screen of apps. Almost all of Apple's stock apps have received complete redesigns centered around a vertically scrollable view of pages. The update also brings Time in Daylight tracking to Apple Health and adds mood logging to the Mindfulness app.

iOS 17 introduces features like StandBy mode, Contact Posters, and Live Voicemail, while iPadOS 17 makes some meaningful enhancements to Stage Manager, introduces external camera support, and brings over Lock Screen customization, Live Activities, and the Health app from the iPhone.

macOS Sonoma adds an integrated video screen saver and wallpaper experience, desktop widgets, Safari web apps, and Game Mode. tvOS 17 is a modest update that redesigns the Control Center and introduces FaceTime via Continuity Camera.

A large number of new features, like interactive widgets, improved autocorrect, the Messages redesign, offline maps, authentication code autofill, Apple Music crossfade, Note links, support for multiple timers, video call reactions and presenter overlays, and improved PDF support, come to several of Apple's updated operating systems.

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[Realityck]

Wednesday brought beta 2 of the OS's. Yes most of us thought it was the smoothest dev betas we experienced in awhile comparably. Using iOS/iPadOS 17, MacOS 14, and tvOS 17 betas.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

I didn't know the released the final versions of these already? My iStuff isn't showing that they are available.

 

[jdavid_rp]

I didn't know the released the final versions of these already? My iStuff isn't showing that they are available.

Where does it says it’s using the final versions?

 

[Deemilo]

Find it very frustrating that you speak about IOS but haven’t tested a lot of this but still want to talk about it, also the same applies to the UK, testing I read your Site atleast 2 a day this is the second time I’ve watched videos as the first one put me off for the same reason, if you discuss some then test it

 

[Realityck]

Find it very frustrating that you speak about IOS but haven’t tested a lot of this but still want to talk about it, also the same applies to the UK, testing I read your Site atleast 2 a day this is the second time I’ve watched videos as the first one put me off for the same reason, if you discuss some then test it

One could laugh at why they call this site MacRumors when all they do is discuss iOS mostly in this show. Here's 30 seconds of tVOS and it about the revised control center, and then when one participant discussing using Sonoma just fine and the other was hesitant to update because he has all his work on his Mac. So ASR backups/restores are trivial, but one should always have fallback measures in place when running early betas otherwise why even dip your toes in the water.

 

[StellarVixen]

One could laugh at why they call this site MacRumors when all they do is discuss iOS mostly in this show. Here's 30 seconds of tVOS and it about the revised control center, and then when one participant discussing using Sonoma just fine and the other was hesitant to update because he has all his work on his Mac. So ASR backups/restores are trivial, but one should always have fallback measures in place when running early betas otherwise why even did your toes in the water.

Forum is old, lot of things changed in meanwhile. When forum was created, Apple was Mac. Today, Apple is iOS. Even services is bigger than Mac nowadays.

Sad, but true.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

Where does it says it’s using the final versions?

The headline, unless it's fake news!

 

[jimbobb24]

Forum is old, lot of things changed in meanwhile. When forum was created, Apple was Mac. Today, Apple is iOS. Even services is bigger than Mac nowadays.

Sad, but true.

Wow I didn’t realize services had eclipsed mac. That’s crazy. A new world.

 

[Realityck]

Wow I didn’t realize services had eclipsed mac. That’s crazy. A new world.

From recent Apple Report of earnings. Mind you part of this is attributed covid limiting manufacturing of Mac in China and elsewhere. Even this year the Mac products announced were limited to Jan 17th and June 5th announcements. So Apple has a lot of catching up to do if they don't want to paint themselves into a corner with specific products. The 15" MBA rumor was 2 1/2 years old when it was finally announced.

 

[citysnaps]

One could laugh at why they call this site MacRumors when all they do is discuss iOS mostly in this show.

Maybe change it to MacWhiners?

Come for the excellent tech reviews (thanks Dan and Hartley). Stay for the inane audience whines that follow.

 

[Realityck]

Maybe change it to MacWhiners?

Come for the excellent tech reviews (thanks Dan and Hartley). Stay for the inane audience whines that follow.

Are they really? I rather converse with an astute pessimist, then someone that is just an optimist of particular technology.

Some are already thinking Vision Pro is a Mac and iPhone successor ten years from now. Of course it depends on how effective using VisionOS is comparably in a business environment as it’s based on iOS. Interesting times ahead with the current beta OS's from WWDC 2023.

 

[lartola]

I didn't know the released the final versions of these already? My iStuff isn't showing that they are available.

They’re not available. This article is about the experience using the betas.

 

[lartola]

The headline, unless it's fake news!

The headline is assuming everyone knows they’re in beta. “Final” (because they really aren’t final anymore) versions of the software are always released in September. Before that, it’s betas only.

 

[SFjohn]

When I saw the headline I scanned it incorrectly and thought it said: Two weeks with Beats (expecting headphones review). 😂

 

[Macalway]

This entire thread is about confusion.

 

[shenfrey]

'I have it on my MacBook Pro but I rarely use it..'

brag lol

 

[sjsharksfan12]

One could laugh at why they call this site MacRumors when all they do is discuss iOS mostly in this show. Here's 30 seconds of tVOS and it about the revised control center, and then when one participant discussing using Sonoma just fine and the other was hesitant to update because he has all his work on his Mac. So ASR backups/restores are trivial, but one should always have fallback measures in place when running early betas otherwise why even dip your toes in the water.

They spent longer in the keynote talking about TVOS. It was probably a good 5 minutes, and the changes make me somewhat excited. At least they didn't forget about it.

 

[Takeshou]

Steam already exists for macOS, and has for a long time. https://store.steampowered.com/macos

 

[JapanApple]

Forum is old, lot of things changed in meanwhile. When forum was created, Apple was Mac. Today, Apple is iOS. Even services is bigger than Mac nowadays.

Sad, but true.

Apple fan sites must adapt to better serve both new and old users. It is crucial to analyze the benefits and drawbacks of having a strong community on an Apple fan site. Over the past 27 years, the culture and content of Apple fan sites have undoubtedly evolved. Apple fan sites play a significant role in shaping the perception and discourse around Apple products, and it is essential to recognize this. Nostalgia and tradition are important, but Apple fan sites need to balance these with new trends and technologies.

 

[Bodhitree]

I watched some of the video but found it slow to come to the point. Hence, into the dumpster it went… time is precious.

 

[citysnaps]

Are they really? I rather converse with an astute pessimist, then someone that is just an optimist of particular technology.

Astute pessimism? That's a rarity here.

Most comments are some version of the form: Who asked for this?, It'll flop., Steve Jobs would never have approved this!, Tim Cook needs to be fired!, Apple going for profits!, What a joke!, iPad is just a giant iPhone - who needs that?, Apple greed!, and on and on.

I really enjoy Dan and Hartley's product/software reviews and comments. Their views and comments about reviewed products are excellent - even when pointing out flaws and misses - never having to resort to juvenile burns. Sadly, rarely are there thoughtful and well-reasoned discourse in the comments.

 

[iChrist]

what is up with the person on the right in this video? is this a parody?

 

[ThunderSkunk]

Astute pessimism? That's a rarity here.

Yea, I feel like i’ve become pessimistic enough over time. I enjoy that Dan’s cheery optimism slaps me upside the head once in a while and reminds me that the tech world hasn't fully descended into antihumanist dystopian drek. …maybe just mostly.

 

[citysnaps]

Yea, I feel like i’ve become pessimistic enough over time. I enjoy that Dan’s cheery optimism slaps me upside the head once in a while and reminds me that the tech world hasn't fully descended into antihumanist dystopian drek. …maybe just mostly.

Well said. I feel the same way.

Still... Dan and Hartley aren't shy about pointing out product issues/misses - which is good. It's just refreshing seeing them not have to devolve into sky-is-falling juvenile antics and burns, which has been the normal dish served up in the comments here.