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The MacRumors Show: WWDC 2023 Final Expectations

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Amid rumors that this year's WWDC keynote could be one of the longest ever Apple events to introduce a series of new hardware products and major software updates, on the this week's episode of The MacRumors Show, we discuss everything we're expecting to see.


During its WWDC keynote on Monday, Apple is likely to preview a series of major updates for its operating systems, including watchOS 10, iOS 17, iPadOS 17, and macOS 14. The company is also expected to unveil an all-new 15-inch MacBook Air and refreshed Mac Studio models. Most importantly, Apple's first mixed-reality headset is expected to make its long-awaited debut at the event, alongside its operating system: "xrOS." To learn more about exactly what Apple is expected to announce based on rumors, see our detailed guide:


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You talk about TVOS just getting passed by and I will be disappointed if that is the case, but not surprised. Of all the updates, I think TVOS needs the biggest refresh. It's gotten really stale and for the love of god, give us an easier way to update apps. Everyone is cord cutting. MLB is in a bankruptzy fight with Diamond Sports hoping to end blackout restrictions, Netflix is making it harder to enjoy the service, yet Apple's streaming device feels stuck in the past. If streaming is going to get more popular in the future, it's best not to ignore the software that kickstarted the streaming wars in the first place.
 
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Not excited about VR at all.
But I can imagine that once I will try Apple’s approach and be like: IIIII waaant it 🤤🤤🤤

All VR headsets I tried made me sick and gave me headaches.
Interesting… but maybe I’m too old for this.
 
Pancake lenses eat up a lot of the brightness of the displays. The rumored ~5000 nit displays are being measured from the "display end", so the effective output brightness will likely be around ~600 nits or less. It'll still be very good, but it won't be as good as that 5000 nits stat implies.

Edit: Additionally, this ~600 nits figure doesn't account for all the other techniques used in headsets to address motion sickness that also lower the effective brightness for the user. The point is that these types of headsets just require super bright displays in order to work so a lot of that initial brightness is lost while going through the optics.
 
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I would like to see a discussion about Apple's pricing policy. I can't talk about costs in America because I don't know, but here in Australia, well let's see.

In 2007 I bought a top of the range 17 inch MacBook Pro, it cost me AU$2900, then I upgraded in late 2013 to a top of the range replacement MBP15 inch, 16 gigs and 1TB it cost AU$3400. Now to get a top of the range replacement with reasonable memory and a 1TB the price is an amazing AU$6199.

Compare this with a 24 inch top of the range iMac I bought for the family in 2008 which cost AU$3100, I have upgraded it with an SSD and memory. If I wanted to replace this today the current 24 inch iMac I would be looking at a price of AU$3199, which in real terms over that time period is actually a reduction in its price. However the MacBook Pro seems to have gathered an extra AU$3000. Why? Where is that $3000 of added value? Or is that just an added Apple tax?
 
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No one mentioned the iMac which is still on M1?
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I suspect the iMac will be updated with M3 come this fall. All indications, leaks, rumours and speculation are pointing to this.

Unless it’s deliberately hobbled in some way M3 will be more powerful than M2, but not as powerful as M2 Max, M2 Pro and M2 Ultra. So the Mac Studio and MacBook Pros will remain more powerful than an M3 iMac unless Apple gives the iMac an upgraded M3 or M2 Max option to put that variant on par with Apple’s Pro offerings.
 
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I would like to see a discussion about Apple's pricing policy. I can't talk about costs in America because I don't know, but here in Australia, well let's see.

In 2007 I bought a top of the range 17 inch MacBook Pro, it cost me AU$2900, then I upgraded in late 2013 to a top of the range replacement MBP15 inch, 16 gigs and 1TB it cost AU$3400. Now to get a top of the range replacement with reasonable memory and a 1TB the price is an amazing AU$6199.

Compare this with a 24 inch top of the range iMac I bought for the family in 2008 which cost AU$3100, I have upgraded it with an SSD and memory. If I wanted to replace this today the current 24 inch iMac I would be looking at a price of AU$3199, which in real terms over that time period is actually a reduction in its price. However the MacBook Pro seems to have gathered an extra AU$3000. Why? Where is that $3000 of added value? Or is that just an added Apple tax?
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hopefully can provide us with a detailed analysis, but SSD is pricy when you get to 1TB and Apple use good quality suppliers for SSD. Ditto the higher spec'ed Apple Silicon processors, the non-binned units are worth more than the binned-units for a start, and have less production volume.

then whack the "Pro" tax bracket on top of the standard "Apple" tax bracket which everybody pays. Apple, even early-Mac II era has had premium pricing on "pro" level machines, they milk where they can, and hunt for market share at the entry level with less margin. It's always been like this unless you go back to the Apple II and III era.

I don't think ForEX of AUD v USD really comes into it, it's a bit volatile at times but has been around the same range for decades now.

I recall asking this kind of question maybe 15 years ago and all I got was 50 GIFs of a gentlemen in riding gear flogging a dead horse :) at least you escaped this much, so far.
 
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I am not deriding Apples quality of components at all, hey, my 2005 Power PC MBP is still working fine, as are all of my older apple devices! Not many PC Laptops could say the same. And the AUD vs USD is not an issue as the costs I quoted were all AUD. It's the fork in pricing structure where MBPS are massivley elevated in cost for no apparent reason. I did hear a few years ago that Apple couldn't keep up with the demand for MBPs. Who knows. Looking forward to Monday, or Tuesday as it will be here.
 
I don't think the "always on" display is really needed to bring that feature to the iPad. Just require that it be plugged in or turn off if the the battery gets too low. I think the big would be to be able to repurpose some older iPads with a feature that would kinda turn it into a Amazon Echo type devices where it it cycle through news/weather/sports/stocks/pictures etc, work as a smart HomeKit controller and also work as a (gasp) siri device. Of course the problem with if it is dependent on a new OS is that some of the older iPads that would be prime for reuse (like the Air 2's I have laying around) wouldn't be supported. So maybe an App?
 
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I would like to see a discussion about Apple's pricing policy. I can't talk about costs in America because I don't know, but here in Australia, well let's see.

In 2007 I bought a top of the range 17 inch MacBook Pro, it cost me AU$2900, then I upgraded in late 2013 to a top of the range replacement MBP15 inch, 16 gigs and 1TB it cost AU$3400. Now to get a top of the range replacement with reasonable memory and a 1TB the price is an amazing AU$6199.

Compare this with a 24 inch top of the range iMac I bought for the family in 2008 which cost AU$3100, I have upgraded it with an SSD and memory. If I wanted to replace this today the current 24 inch iMac I would be looking at a price of AU$3199, which in real terms over that time period is actually a reduction in its price. However the MacBook Pro seems to have gathered an extra AU$3000. Why? Where is that $3000 of added value? Or is that just an added Apple tax?
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You will have to pry my mid-2015 Steve Jobs MacBook Pro running Mojave out of my cold, dead hands, and not because I can’t afford a new Tim Apple device. It’s largely due to the fact that a new computer (and I) will likely be the victim of ever-shorter support timelines, which has been accelerating dramatically since he took over, starting with 2016 models that dropped by over 1 year compared to 2015 models (arguably to accelerate obsolescence and replacement purchase timelines and make Apple more money). Source: ARSTechnica in 2022 “Some Macs are getting fewer updates than they used to. Here’s why it’s a problem: Dropping old Macs can be justified, but some are dying before they should be.”
But this is what Wall Street darling Tim does: soldered everything, no user-serviceable upgrades, selling ridiculously under-equipped "Pro"-in-name-only Macs in big box stores, increased storage and RAM capacity costing 4x more than a Windows device would.
 
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I would like to see a discussion about Apple's pricing policy. I can't talk about costs in America because I don't know, but here in Australia, well let's see.

In 2007 I bought a top of the range 17 inch MacBook Pro, it cost me AU$2900, then I upgraded in late 2013 to a top of the range replacement MBP15 inch, 16 gigs and 1TB it cost AU$3400. Now to get a top of the range replacement with reasonable memory and a 1TB the price is an amazing AU$6199.

Compare this with a 24 inch top of the range iMac I bought for the family in 2008 which cost AU$3100, I have upgraded it with an SSD and memory. If I wanted to replace this today the current 24 inch iMac I would be looking at a price of AU$3199, which in real terms over that time period is actually a reduction in its price. However the MacBook Pro seems to have gathered an extra AU$3000. Why? Where is that $3000 of added value? Or is that just an added Apple tax?
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I assume these high-end Macs are not used for entertainment. What you need to look at is not the absolute cost, but to think of them as capital equipment, and then look at your capital cost per year as a fraction of yearly earning. Inflation will drive up the cost of the computers and (I hope) your yearly earnings.

Finally, where you live, much of the cost is tariffs and taxes.

Here is California, I can buy a base model M2 notebook for about $1,000. The base model is certainly more than enough for most users. It fact, most users would do well to buy a Chromebook for $300.
 
I hear Tim closing now - "ONE MORE THING - MacPad!" A 1tb M3 iPad Pro, MacOS, miniLED, 5g, bundled with Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil for "only" $2999, coming this Fall...
 
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