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I can get a refurbished 2014 iMac (1080p) for $500 Canadian, which is cheaper than any combination of new PC and monitor I’ve found (I need both).

Since Apple abandoned subpixel antialiasing with Mojave, I’d be running Windows 10 and/or Linux on the machine as the full-time OS.

Most important thing to me is screen quality and nothing on the market under 27” competes with even these old iMacs.

For this to make sense, I’d need the iMac to last at least 5 years. What are the chances a 2014 refurb makes it to 2026? And what would be the first thing to go? I’d be booting from an external SSD, so that’s not a problem.

My previous LCD monitor went bad after roughly 10 years. That’s probably my biggest concern.
 
I think there's a fairly good chance of it lasting that long, I had a 2006 iMac in regular use that was still functional 12 years after it was new and it's not uncommon for them to last that long. Your model has integrated graphics which eliminates a common point of failure as well. The main issue with using 10+ year old Macs tends to be Apple dropping MacOS support but since you won't be running MacOS that's not a problem either.
 
I have a 2010 iMac 27" happily running Big Sur with an upgraded i7 quad core and a metal supported GPU; and a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 happily running Catalina & Windows 10 with an RX 5600XT GPU. Older than 10 years in both cases and perfectly usable machines. Keeping older machines running past Apple's 'use by date' requires work arounds and even hardware mods which can be frustrating and fun. But there is an incredible community trying to do the same thing, Check out open core / open core legacy patcher for example. If you plan to upgrade to Windows 11 you might want to check the hardware requirements as there's some uncertainty there.
 
I can get a refurbished 2014 iMac (1080p) for $500 Canadian, which is cheaper than any combination of new PC and monitor I’ve found (I need both).

Since Apple abandoned subpixel antialiasing with Mojave, I’d be running Windows 10 and/or Linux on the machine as the full-time OS.

Most important thing to me is screen quality and nothing on the market under 27” competes with even these old iMacs.

For this to make sense, I’d need the iMac to last at least 5 years. What are the chances a 2014 refurb makes it to 2026? And what would be the first thing to go? I’d be booting from an external SSD, so that’s not a problem.

My previous LCD monitor went bad after roughly 10 years. That’s probably my biggest concern.

  • Overall, to be honest not a very wise decision
  • personally I find odd comparing 2nd hand (and yet v old) machine to latest brand new
  • buying an iMac to run Windows/Linux ?!
    • Windows 10 support ends in October 2025. Technically your purchase barely makes you into 2026 on Windows.
    • Pretty sure Windows 11 won't run or at least without much 'hacking'
  • 1080p panels are old and mature tech. Good 1080p panels are abundant though I'm not up to speed if there are brand new models in 21-inch format.
    • It may be the smaller inch + 1080p that gives you a sense of better quality because of higher DPI (?)
    • perhaps look into used market for a good monitor?
  • 2014 iMac can't be used as a general monitor
From my experience, iMac lasts a long time! A 5-year old machine can be like 'brand new' if it is kept away from sea-side, valleys or mountains and/or used less than 4 hours per day. Otherwise, internal deterioration could be a bit accelerated and nasty. At 10-year old point, even lightly used and in good environment, deterioration won't be hard to spot. Notably plastic components like pressure walls, foams, cable wraps etc do not age well.

Also note that Apple refurbished machines are generally good. Third-party refurbished machines should generally assume not the case until proven trust worthy..
 
The words “wisdom” and “2014 iMac” should not be used in the same sentence in 2021.
 
The words “wisdom” and “2014 iMac” should not be used in the same sentence in 2021.

It depends on how much you have to pay for it, and what are you gonna do with it.
For 4~500$, it's still a good purchase, if the item is a NOS & NIB, or a lightly used one. A perfect machine for kid's homeschooling.
 
Since Apple abandoned subpixel antialiasing with Mojave, I’d be running Windows 10 and/or Linux on the machine as the full-time OS.
You're abandoning macOS because of subpixel antialiasing, but you want to use a monitor that's been running for 7 years, is out of warranty, and can't be repaired by Apple? None of that makes sense. Just reenable font smoothing from the command line. Or go ahead and run Windows or Linux, with their thousands of apps that don't support font smoothing, despite the OS supporting it.

Most important thing to me is screen quality and nothing on the market under 27” competes with even these old iMacs.
This is just not true. You could be correct if you qualify this with, "Nothing competes with even these old iMacs for less than X amount of money. But many, many high quality, 1080p IPS displays exist for <$200 today, some with actual 10-bit color support, unlike the iMac. You could also use a Spyder for further color calibration, if you need it. And do you really think a 7-year-old screen is going to have uniform brightness?

For this to make sense, I’d need the iMac to last at least 5 years. What are the chances a 2014 refurb makes it to 2026? And what would be the first thing to go? I’d be booting from an external SSD, so that’s not a problem.
There's no reason to think the iMac is likely to fail in the next 5 years. But there's also no reason to think that any computer or monitor is likely to fail in the next five years. If you're playing the law of averages, any single device you pick up will last that long or longer. But you're guaranteeing yourself no warranty repair--and no out of warranty repair!--if you buy the iMac. I don't know why you'd want that risk.

My previous LCD monitor went bad after roughly 10 years. That’s probably my biggest concern.
If you think you should be able to count on an LCD lasting for more than ten years, you should be concerned. You say you are really concerned with "screen quality" (however you define that), you should also recognize that, just like CPUs, SSDs, and any other tech you can think of, LCD/LED/OLED screen quality improves year after year. That doesn't mean every monitor is good, just as not every 4K TV panel is good. But monitors today are better than in 2014, and monitors in 2028 will be better than ones today.

If your question was, "How can I buy a Mac with the best possible screen for <$500 Canadian?" I'd agree with your answer. iMac screens are better than MacBook Pro screens, and you're not going to get an iMac for <$500 if it's much newer than 2014. But you can just buy an old Lenovo ThinkCentre for $200 with an excellent IPS screen for $250 if you just want to surf the web with the finest display you can buy (under $500).
 
5 years seems a bit optimistic. Possible, but optimistic.
It's a bit like wondering how long your 85 year old granny will last and betting it will be until 110.
12 years in total: It's a lot.
Screens including TVs rarely last more than about 7 years these days. I read a consumer survey recently thay showed the average life span of a TV bought today is 5.5 years. (Panasonic were 7 years)
Things are designed to have a specific life span.
Apple use good components but saline capactitors dry out and even the best are rated at 5000 hours.
You can get more than that if the internal temperature of the machine is kept low but you have no way of knowing.
A 5000 hour saline capacitor running 5 hours a day kept at a temperature of no more than 65°C is going to last roughly 9-10 years.
$500 is ok if it does everything you want and you like it but maybe not for 5 years.
 
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If you need a full time windows/linux machine, I would not look at iMac - period! For $500 you should be able to find slightly used PC and 27" 1440p monitor no problem and if you are lucky you might find it new on sale.

Places like micro center or Best Buy also sell refurbished computers, you can pick 2-3 years old PC for under $200 so keep that in mind too.
 
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I can get a refurbished 2014 iMac (1080p) for $500 Canadian, which is cheaper than any combination of new PC and monitor I’ve found (I need both).

Since Apple abandoned subpixel antialiasing with Mojave, I’d be running Windows 10 and/or Linux on the machine as the full-time OS.

Most important thing to me is screen quality and nothing on the market under 27” competes with even these old iMacs.

For this to make sense, I’d need the iMac to last at least 5 years. What are the chances a 2014 refurb makes it to 2026? And what would be the first thing to go? I’d be booting from an external SSD, so that’s not a problem.

My previous LCD monitor went bad after roughly 10 years. That’s probably my biggest concern.
I would say this is an awesome deal. No matter what year, the iMac 27‘ is the most iconic one out there. You will be super fine. Everyone wants an iMac, if you put it up for sales, it’s gone in a short time. This was the same 5 years ago and it will be in 5 years from now. On top of That, CPUs did not progress much, which makes an older Mac very attractive. This baby will last you a long time. My 2010 Apple Display works as new 12 years later, my 2012 MP 5.1 runs real great on Win10 and Catalina Twelve years later. And even if there would be a hickup, you get spares everywhere. On top of that, - they have not changed a thing till today on the cooling, PSU and lots of other components. This is proven and very reliable tech, nothing to worry about. 500 bucks for a refurb, - you hit a home run and you’l be home free. And finally, it’s really not about benchmarks, it’s about what you produce and do with it. At the end of the day it’s an awesome tool, no matter how old it is.


For all the muffins out there, if the world would consist of 100 people, only 7 have a computer, and maybe 0,1 from that bracket have an Apple iMac. - So to wrap it up for you, this 500$ purchase shot you on to the 0,01% of previleged. This is how shocking reality looks like, gentlemen. It’s a matter of perspective.
 
I can get a refurbished 2014 iMac (1080p) for $500 Canadian, which is cheaper than any combination of new PC and monitor I’ve found (I need both).

Since Apple abandoned subpixel antialiasing with Mojave, I’d be running Windows 10 and/or Linux on the machine as the full-time OS.

Most important thing to me is screen quality and nothing on the market under 27” competes with even these old iMacs.

For this to make sense, I’d need the iMac to last at least 5 years. What are the chances a 2014 refurb makes it to 2026? And what would be the first thing to go? I’d be booting from an external SSD, so that’s not a problem.

My previous LCD monitor went bad after roughly 10 years. That’s probably my biggest concern.
Well, since I'm still working on my OS 10.6 (for IP work only)... The Answer might be... (almost) Forever?I'll keep working on it till it dies. I'm hoping that My 10.13.15 will continue working for at least, oh, another 3 or 4 years, maybe more.

Now if yo were using a PC (Piece of Chit), you'd be pc out of luck.
 
Be aware that some of those 2014 iMacs have as much power as the 2014 MacBook Air.
Exactly. The OP is talking about exactly that one you are referring to.

I checked what was offered in 2014. 4260U 21.5" 1080p. The were no 1440p 27" any more, those became Retina 5K, also with Haswell 4th Generation processors. If the latter is $500, take my cash!!! For the former, any iMac with a dual-core 'U' series processor is, to me, an avoid. I'd much rather be on a quad-core 2012 or a 2013, for an even lower price, than on a dual-core 'U' series processor...
 
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Exactly. The OP is talking about exactly that one you are referring to.

I checked what was offered in 2014. 4260U 21.5" 1080p. The were no 1440p 27" any more, those became Retina 5K, also with Haswell 4th Generation processors. If the latter is $500, take my cash!!! For the former, any iMac with a dual-core 'U' series processor is, to me, an avoid. I'd much rather be on a quad-core 2012 or a 2013, for an even lower price, than on a dual-core 'U' series processor...

I would avoid model 2014. Their screens are prone to the "pink edge" symptom.
 
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You're abandoning macOS because of subpixel antialiasing, but you want to use a monitor that's been running for 7 years, is out of warranty, and can't be repaired by Apple? None of that makes sense. Just reenable font smoothing from the command line. Or go ahead and run Windows or Linux, with their thousands of apps that don't support font smoothing, despite the OS supporting it.


This is just not true. You could be correct if you qualify this with, "Nothing competes with even these old iMacs for less than X amount of money. But many, many high quality, 1080p IPS displays exist for <$200 today, some with actual 10-bit color support, unlike the iMac. You could also use a Spyder for further color calibration, if you need it. And do you really think a 7-year-old screen is going to have uniform brightness?


There's no reason to think the iMac is likely to fail in the next 5 years. But there's also no reason to think that any computer or monitor is likely to fail in the next five years. If you're playing the law of averages, any single device you pick up will last that long or longer. But you're guaranteeing yourself no warranty repair--and no out of warranty repair!--if you buy the iMac. I don't know why you'd want that risk.
Enabling font smoothing does little to address the lack of subpixel antialiasing. Two entirely different things.

If you'd be able to provide a link to a monitor that is a) under 27" and b) under $200 that is c) "high quality" with d) "actual 10-bit color support", I'd appreciate that. I've found no such monitor on the market.
 
Enabling font smoothing does little to address the lack of subpixel antialiasing. Two entirely different things.

If you'd be able to provide a link to a monitor that is a) under 27" and b) under $200 that is c) "high quality" with d) "actual 10-bit color support", I'd appreciate that. I've found no such monitor on the market.
I don't think that it's wise to get that particular iMac and plan to use it for the next 5 years. That particular model has some pretty unimpressive hardware even for 2014 era computers. Why does the monitor need to cost under $200? If your budget is $500, why not spend $300 or $400 on a decent 22-27-inch monitor (perhaps used) and the rest on a used PC, which will still be more powerful (and more upgradeable) than the iMac in question? I've seen used LG 4k 27-inch displays for $350-$400 CAD on eBay/Kijiji. Does it need to be smaller than 27-inches?
 
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