My thinking is this will prevent any shady buyer from claiming they never received the laptop. Thoughts? Swappa prohibits selling products with a software lock, but handing over the iCloud password upon receipt is about the best way I can think of to avoid false non-receipt claims. Signatures don't mean much.
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Thoughts on selling MBP online with iCloud Lock, then supplying buyer with password upon receipt?
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I don’t know why anybody would buy from you with these terms. I would ignore your ad so hard.
Better sell local
”I’ll give you the password when you receive it. Trust me bro” is a great way to sell stolen Mac stuff
Better sell local
”I’ll give you the password when you receive it. Trust me bro” is a great way to sell stolen Mac stuff
They're buying with PayPal, which carries essentially 0 risk as a buyer.
It’s clear you want to do this. Do it
If you set the price low enough someone will buy your password-locked computer. Most people will assume it is some kind of scam and avoid it.
This is just ridiculous. You would give your iCloud password to someone else? What kind of thinking is that? The proper way to do that is:
- Reset your Mac to default (remove all data and reinstall OS)
- Remove your Mac from your iCloud Account
- Disable Find my Mac
Trust works both ways, the buyer sends you the money, you send the laptop. If you are using paypal, make sure the money is in your paypal account and then immediately transfer it into your own bank account before you send the laptop because it is very easy for the buyer to raise a dispute which will cause paypal to put a hold on the money. If you've transferred the money out of paypal, there is nothing paypal can do. Just make sure in any selling description that funds must be in your paypal account before the laptop will be sent. Or use a delivery service that comes with insurance against lost or damaged items. That way if the buyer claims they never received it, you can claim on the insurance and let them deal with it.
To me, a listing like that smells overwhelmingly of scam, and I would run away from it.
Have you considered listing it here on the MR marketplace? You appear to qualify.
Have you considered listing it here on the MR marketplace? You appear to qualify.
So if you advertise it with a lock, it would raise red flags for the buyer, such as, is it stolen. Regardless of promises that you'll supply the password, and regardless that paypal (provided its not done via a gift ) protects the buyer, people just won't want to deal with hassle or risk.
If you don't advertise it, then in all likelihood the buyer will dispute the sale, if its a site like ebay, you're pretty much guarantied a horrible review.
If you don't advertise it, then in all likelihood the buyer will dispute the sale, if its a site like ebay, you're pretty much guarantied a horrible review.
Yes, giving away passwords is a horrible idea. You're handing a stranger the keys to your kingdom and he could very well gain access to personal data, information.
I would assume the intention was to set it up with a throwaway icloud account
whenever I’ve had to have a computer serviced by Apple, I’ve always been asked to turn off the Lock Screen password and turn off find my Mac before sending it out or leaving it with them.
That’s more risky then erasing, removing and selling your computer.
So… no don’t do this, it’s a terrible idea.
Do everything else suggested here.
Get the money through PayPal, immediately move it to an account, get shipping insurance so if the package goes missing you can at least have some sort of back up plan, and have the buyer let you know when they receive the computer.
But don’t be weird about it, don’t treat a regular person just looking for a computer like a criminal.
I’ve received an iCloud locked Apple Watch before, and trying to get it unlocked is not fun.
You don’t want the new user of your computer’s first experience with it to be frustration because you were paranoid.
That’s more risky then erasing, removing and selling your computer.
So… no don’t do this, it’s a terrible idea.
Do everything else suggested here.
Get the money through PayPal, immediately move it to an account, get shipping insurance so if the package goes missing you can at least have some sort of back up plan, and have the buyer let you know when they receive the computer.
But don’t be weird about it, don’t treat a regular person just looking for a computer like a criminal.
I’ve received an iCloud locked Apple Watch before, and trying to get it unlocked is not fun.
You don’t want the new user of your computer’s first experience with it to be frustration because you were paranoid.
This isn't true. Paypal will reach right back into your bank account and take the money. Just FYI.
Source=personal experience with a "you sent me an empty box instead of iPhone X" scam. Paypal will ALWAYS side with the buyer, and they absolutely will charge back.
How do I withdraw money to my bank account? | PayPal KZ
To withdraw money from PayPal, go to Wallet, Transfer Money, Transfer to bank or click Transfer Money on the app. Automatic transfers can also be set up.
Not unless they have permission from the bank account holder to do so but this basically depends on what country you live in and how robust that countries banking laws are.
I think you are taking the answer out of context. The answer should be expanded to include "with cause" when they mention with permission. The money that one transfers from their PayPal balance into their account is still subject to transfer back to PayPal from one's bank if there is insufficient funds in one's PayPal balance to refund a previous transaction.How do I withdraw money to my bank account? | PayPal KZ
To withdraw money from PayPal, go to Wallet, Transfer Money, Transfer to bank or click Transfer Money on the app. Automatic transfers can also be set up.www.paypal.com
Not unless they have permission from the bank account holder to do so but this basically depends on what country you live in and how robust that countries banking laws are.
However if the PayPal transaction is done at the friend to friend level, the buyer is at risk of getting robbed since there is no protection in friend to friend transfers.
Why can't you send the laptop without iCloud lock via FedEx with required signature? Assuming the FedEx driver pays attention to the signature requirement, the package should have an electronic trail. I'd also spring for extra insurance coverage from FedEx that would cover the amount that you sold the laptop for. Default FedEx liability coverage may fall short of the transaction amount.
Unless you are sending the laptop across town, USPS would not work since Priority Mail and Express Mail utilizes commercial passenger planes for transport and anything with lithium batteries cannot be placed in the cargo holds of those planes. The prohibition does not apply to freight/cargo only planes like FedEx.
My experience with PayPal in the US has shown otherwise. *shrug*How do I withdraw money to my bank account? | PayPal KZ
To withdraw money from PayPal, go to Wallet, Transfer Money, Transfer to bank or click Transfer Money on the app. Automatic transfers can also be set up.
Not unless they have permission from the bank account holder to do so but this basically depends on what country you live in and how robust that countries banking laws are.
It does not matter how the refund works, Paypal is not a bank nor is it a credit card company therefore it's powers in dealing with banks and the banks account holders is very very limited. Again it depends on the banking laws in ones country but in many countries, permission has to be granted by the bank account holder before funds can withdrawn from their account to a non bank or non credit card company. But here is where will stop because it's causing the thread to be derailed and go off topic.
Even if someone did buy into your ad for a locked device, whats stopping them from scamming you back after you release the key? they could say the device was stolen, never unlocked, etc and you'd be in more of a mess.
You can try other marketplaces that use things like Apple Pay or Zelle, or sell locally. PayPal can be cumbersome if you get a potentially bad buyer.
best way to go about it is, sell honestly and transparently. wipe the Mac fully, when sold add insurance, tracking and signature required and thats really all you need. stipulate no returns if you want and provide any warranty details. you'd limit your risk and put the burden on the buyer. avoid the unnecessary risk and complications.
You can try other marketplaces that use things like Apple Pay or Zelle, or sell locally. PayPal can be cumbersome if you get a potentially bad buyer.
best way to go about it is, sell honestly and transparently. wipe the Mac fully, when sold add insurance, tracking and signature required and thats really all you need. stipulate no returns if you want and provide any warranty details. you'd limit your risk and put the burden on the buyer. avoid the unnecessary risk and complications.
I would never provide my iCloud account password to anybody, even if it is temporary. Even my partner of 5 years doesn’t have any access in my iCloud account.
There are safer ways to be sure that the buyer indeed received your laptop, and if I was in the market for a used laptop, I would certainly not buy your laptop under these conditions, because this goes the other way around: you could possibly prevent me from fully using the computer I bought.
There are safer ways to be sure that the buyer indeed received your laptop, and if I was in the market for a used laptop, I would certainly not buy your laptop under these conditions, because this goes the other way around: you could possibly prevent me from fully using the computer I bought.
just only accept payment with PayPal goods & services if you're so worried
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You should absolutely never give anyone your iCloud password. But you don't need to.
1. Go to www.iCloud.com/find.
2. Sign in with your Apple ID and password.
3. At the top, click All Devices.
4. Select the device that you want to remove from iCloud.
5. Click Remove from Account.
Thats it. So you could literally 'accidently' forget to remove activation lock, the computer will be useless to them until they actively admit to receiving it and being unable to use it, then you remove the device from icloud remotely and apologize for accidently forgetting to remove it beforehand.
