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I don’t get this. How is an iPad running macOS + keyboard + trackpad / mouse better than a MacBook? Honest question. 🤔
I may not be better but is is a different take. For one thing, it becomes a hybrid device, while sometimes you would use it with Mac OS, you could still use it with iPad OS for some uses, particularly more graphic applications such as drawing or managing your photos. It may also be that that is the device you have. I typically take my iPad Pro on trips and not my MacBook Pro. It would be nice to have access to the additional power of Mac OS sometimes.

It may not be something you want and that is fine. It should not be the only way to use an iPad but it would be a helpful option for some of us.
 
I will forever laugh at people trying to get an iPad to be more Mac instead of just being an iPad with its indiosyncracies. Every operating system has them. I’m currently using my iPad Pro 13” plugged into an external monitor; the monitor has 3 work-related windows and apps open while the iPad has Safari and my ChatGPT window all ready to go. I have ZERO need for more multitasking than what I’m able to accomplish right now and this system works perfectly. I can execute all my work from the iPad itself without issue and though I have an M4 MBP, I rarely need to turn it on. Do I delude myself thinking everyone can get away with this? No! But it works for me and I can bet that MANY people are able to get their work done on an iPad with little issue. Content creator? Coder? Sure, the Mac is better than it ever has been.
 
I'm sure there is some mention about bringing DeX Mode to the iPad somewhere around here. Perhaps just adding a finder-like mode for the iPad might be cool or be an annoyance.
 
According to Perplexity AI the iPad doesn’t need fixing — and I agree:
Fair enough - I think many current iPad users are happy with the product as-is. I really like my iPad, but I am concerned it is not on a good trajectory and will miss out on new software and see even less investment from Apple.


**Conclusion:**
The Apple iPad is the most successful tablet computer by a wide margin, leading in both unit sales and profitability. Its dominance is sustained by a strong ecosystem, high brand loyalty, and industry-leading profit margins[1][3][4].
I think that's also fair, but quite a backwards looking conclusion.

For what it's worth I asked ChatGPT a similar question - 'Is the iPad becoming more or less successful as a product?' and it spat the below out (although to be honest I don't trust AI judgment on this kind of question):

24 Important iPad Statistics to Know in 2025
The iPad remains a significant product for Apple, but its trajectory reflects a mature market with nuanced shifts rather than explosive growth.


📈 Sales Performance and Market Position​



📊 Product Line Dynamics​



🔍 Market Maturity and Challenges​


The iPad's growth has stabilized, reflecting a mature tablet market. While it continues to be a strong performer, especially in the premium segment, overall market share has seen slight declines due to increased competition. Apple's focus on high-end models like the iPad Pro has paid off, but challenges remain in sustaining growth across the entire product line. (How Many iPads Have Been Sold?)


 
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Fair enough - I think many current iPad users are happy with the product as-is. I really like my iPad, but I am concerned it is not on a good trajectory and will miss out on new software and see even less investment from Apple.



I think that's also fair, but quite a backwards looking conclusion.

For what it's worth I asked ChatGPT a similar question - 'Is the iPad becoming more or less successful as a product?' and it spat the below out (although to be honest I don't trust AI judgment on this kind of question):

24 Important iPad Statistics to Know in 2025
The iPad remains a significant product for Apple, but its trajectory reflects a mature market with nuanced shifts rather than explosive growth.


📈 Sales Performance and Market Position​



📊 Product Line Dynamics​



🔍 Market Maturity and Challenges​


The iPad's growth has stabilized, reflecting a mature tablet market. While it continues to be a strong performer, especially in the premium segment, overall market share has seen slight declines due to increased competition. Apple's focus on high-end models like the iPad Pro has paid off, but challenges remain in sustaining growth across the entire product line. (How Many iPads Have Been Sold?)


finally someone who understands the market trends and iPad's stale position
 
Fair enough - I think many current iPad users are happy with the product as-is. I really like my iPad, but I am concerned it is not on a good trajectory and will miss out on new software and see even less investment from Apple.
Exactly what “new software” is the iPad missing out on today?
Exactly what software is it going to miss out on in the future?
If anything I would be worried about the *Mac* missing out on future software, since just in terms of pure users and audience, it dramatically lags behind the iPad, and especially behind the iPhone.

Where is this paranoia of the iPad being left behind coming from? I get believing that there is room for improvement, but the iPad literally just had one of its best years in history. It is not going anywhere. It is not being abandoned.
 
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They should change the iPad Mini to colour e-ink and make it an ereader.
As well as Books and News+, they could include Notes, Journal and an art sketchbook so we could write with our Apple pencils
 
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I may not be better but is is a different take. For one thing, it becomes a hybrid device, while sometimes you would use it with Mac OS, you could still use it with iPad OS for some uses, particularly more graphic applications such as drawing or managing your photos. It may also be that that is the device you have. I typically take my iPad Pro on trips and not my MacBook Pro. It would be nice to have access to the additional power of Mac OS sometimes.

It may not be something you want and that is fine. It should not be the only way to use an iPad but it would be a helpful option for some of us.
Thanks for the explanation. It helped me to better appreciate why others who love the iPad wish it could become “the one” device for them.
 
Fair enough - I think many current iPad users are happy with the product as-is. I really like my iPad, but I am concerned it is not on a good trajectory and will miss out on new software and see even less investment from Apple.



I think that's also fair, but quite a backwards looking conclusion.

For what it's worth I asked ChatGPT a similar question - 'Is the iPad becoming more or less successful as a product?' and it spat the below out (although to be honest I don't trust AI judgment on this kind of question):

24 Important iPad Statistics to Know in 2025
The iPad remains a significant product for Apple, but its trajectory reflects a mature market with nuanced shifts rather than explosive growth.


📈 Sales Performance and Market Position​



📊 Product Line Dynamics​



🔍 Market Maturity and Challenges​


The iPad's growth has stabilized, reflecting a mature tablet market. While it continues to be a strong performer, especially in the premium segment, overall market share has seen slight declines due to increased competition. Apple's focus on high-end models like the iPad Pro has paid off, but challenges remain in sustaining growth across the entire product line. (How Many iPads Have Been Sold?)


Yes, statistics are historical but they’re the facts. I’m personally happy with the iPad as-is: a simple tablet. However, I am also optimistic for continued innovation as a tablet as I believe that form factor deserves to exist and is far from being cooked.
 
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You would use the trackpad, mouse, or pencil in those situations. It wouldn’t require a full redesign. I don’t think that anyone is saying that all iPads should just run MacOS from now on, just that it should be an option for people who want more.

The iPad has to work as a tablet without requiring accessories like Apple Pencil to access basic functionality. A Mac app is not optimised for the larger touch targets required by a fat finger. Trying to use the menus with my size 12 gorilla paws would be a nightmare. If you require a keyboard to use the apps you might as well just throw it in the bin and buy a Mac. I like the flexibility of the iPad, that would be lost.

Yes there are reports that iPadOS 19 is gaining a menu bar. I would assume they would design it in such a way fat fingers can use it, not just copy it from the Mac
 
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The simplest solution would be to allow virtualization. It would not hurt those who never need a desktop OS (just like virtualisation solutions for Mac like Parallels do not hurt those who hate Windows...) and would allow those who only want to carry one device to have both a tablet OS with its advantages and a desktop OS when they need it, especially on the go (including Windows, not just MacOS). But Apple is against that. I run full Windows 11 at full speed on my M1 iPad pro with 16GB RAM, but I need to keep it on an outdated iPadOS 15 because Apple removed the hypervisor support from iPadOS 16. And even if they hadn't, you would still need to sideload UTM (as I did) because Apple does not allow full UTM on the store.
Why? Probably because they are afraid it would impact MacBook sales...
Having said that, the positive consequence of that is that, if they want to sell more iPad pros and air but they don't want the simple shortcut of a virtualised desktop, they need to improve iPadOS and make it more productive (better multitasking, better file management). Hopefully that's what iPadOS 19 is bringing... It won't replace a desktop OS for those who need desktop apps, but it could help sell more higher end iPads.
 
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Having said that, the positive consequence of that is that, if they want to sell more iPad pros and air but they don't want the simple shortcut of a virtualised desktop, they need to improve iPadOS and make it more productive (better multitasking, better file management). Hopefully that's what iPadOS 19 is bringing... It won't replace a desktop OS for those who need desktop apps, but it could help sell more higher end iPads.
The other possible positive consequence (hopefully) of not allowing macOS on iPad is not demotivating third party developers from improving their native iPad apps, which I believe could happen if their users can just switch to their Mac app on iPad.
 
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The other possible positive consequence (hopefully) of not allowing macOS on iPad is not demotivating third party developers from improving their native iPad apps, which I believe could happen if their users can just switch to their Mac app on iPad.
I think this is the biggest potential downside of MacOS on iPad, but my view is that (a) there's not much in the way of new iPad-specific app development anyway and (b) the example of Windows on Mac did not kill Mac Apps, which seems in pretty good health. Hopefully (c) would be that MacOS on iPad grows the market so that iPad apps are more worthwhile.

More generally I think all platforms are struggling for developer attention, since if an app can be web-based then that will probably be the focus. That's true for Windows and MacOS, but I think iPad is probably the most vulnerable since it's a smaller market (many iPads sold, but also many users that I suspect spend very little outside gacha games).
 
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If I could run the few apps I need that are only available on desktop operating systems (Fusion 360, Adobe Lightroom Classic, Prusa Slicer), I'd seriously consider using my iPad as a primary device. With a keyboard and mouse/trackpad it has all the potential, just not the application support. Not being able to run those applications at all means that I can't even consider it. Thus my iPad gets used for web browsing and reading almost entirely.
 
If I could run the few apps I need that are only available on desktop operating systems (Fusion 360, Adobe Lightroom Classic, Prusa Slicer), I'd seriously consider using my iPad as a primary device. With a keyboard and mouse/trackpad it has all the potential, just not the application support. Not being able to run those applications at all means that I can't even consider it. Thus my iPad gets used for web browsing and reading almost entirely.

I use Lightroom on my iPad in conjunction with Lightroom Classic on my desktop for processing my RAW images. Not as full featured but still works quite well.
 
I use Lightroom on my iPad in conjunction with Lightroom Classic on my desktop for processing my RAW images. Not as full featured but still works quite well.
Lightroom CC has a number of limitations that I can't get behind. I have a full workflow set up in Lightroom Classic so just want to stay in that system.

Does Lightroom CC still automatically upload imported images to the cloud? If so, that's a complete deal breaker. The places I would most value using Lightroom on an iPad are when I'm not at home, frequently with limited network access. Having Lightroom trying to push many gigabytes of images up to the cloud is a complete non-starter.
 
Lightroom CC has a number of limitations that I can't get behind. I have a full workflow set up in Lightroom Classic so just want to stay in that system.

Does Lightroom CC still automatically upload imported images to the cloud? If so, that's a complete deal breaker. The places I would most value using Lightroom on an iPad are when I'm not at home, frequently with limited network access. Having Lightroom trying to push many gigabytes of images up to the cloud is a complete non-starter.

I just pause synching -

Lightroom's "Pause Syncing" feature on the iPad remains active indefinitely until you manually resume syncing. There is no automatic timeout or expiration for the pause; Lightroom will not start syncing again unless you specifically choose to resume it. This allows users to keep syncing paused for as long as necessary, such as during travel or when using limited internet bandwidth.​
You can safely leave syncing paused for an entire trip or any length of time, and Lightroom will continue to function in offline mode, letting you edit and organize your photos locally. Syncing will only resume when you tap the button to unpause.​
 
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  • Enable paging/swapping by the OS. Especially with recent 18 updates, my ipad quickly forces apps to reload when you select them again.
  • I shouldn’t have to think how to get a file from one app to another and then try to remember what is the most recent version of the file.
  • The Photos app needs to let me purge edit history so I can reclaim space.
  • All apps should have an option to purge their caches. I shouldn’t have to delete an app to purge its cache.
 
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(a) there's not much in the way of new iPad-specific app development anyway
I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, then I think it’s all the more important that iPad app development should not be demotivated. If the iPad ecosystem is stagnant, then I don’t see how putting macOS on it as an “out” could do anything but make that situation worse. And if the attitude is “so be it” then I think that’s short-sighted because how long would Apple support a platform that isn’t going anywhere?

(b) the example of Windows on Mac did not kill Mac Apps, which seems in pretty good health.
To Apple, Bootcamp was a temporary necessary evil because the Mac market was too small and needed the crutch until it had a healthy enough market share and app ecosystem of its own. Having it didn’t kill Mac apps, only because it helped keep the Mac itself relevant while the Mac’s marketshare grew therefore allowing its ecosystem to grow. But had the Mac been able to somehow increase marketshare fast enough on its own without Windows, then Bootcamp would have only served to slow down Mac app growth.
The iPad market is already big, so dual boot wouldn’t be a temporary crutch for the platform, it would just be an ever present ball and chain to the growth of the platform.

Hopefully (c) would be that MacOS on iPad grows the market so that iPad apps are more worthwhile.
The iPad market is already pretty big so I don’t see macOS on iPad growing it drastically. But even if it did, I don’t know how drastic it would have to be in order to make developers want to develop and maintain two versions of the same app on one device. I think the real primary problem is probably not many users are willing to pay for two versions of the same app on one device.

More generally I think all platforms are struggling for developer attention, since if an app can be web-based then that will probably be the focus. That's true for Windows and MacOS, but I think iPad is probably the most vulnerable since it's a smaller market (many iPads sold, but also many users that I suspect spend very little outside gacha games).
Again, isn’t that all the more reason that iPad app development should be encouraged and not discouraged? Or are you saying there isn’t room in the market for iPad apps, and that developers should focus on desktop OSes and web apps?

But all this said, honestly I don’t think slowing down iPad app development is the main reason why Apple doesn’t put macOS on iPad. I think the two main reasons are 1) Apple probably sees the iPad as already basically successful at what it sets out to do, and it sells well and has a high satisfaction rate, so there’s just no compelling reason. And 2) I think Apple sees dual OS as generally a bad UX. If even Windows’ hybrid OS was so unpopular that they had to backtrack on it, then switching between two completely different OSes probably won’t be received any better.

I know some believe it’s the destiny of the iPad Pro to become a complete across-the-board replacement of/alternative to the Mac. But even before talking about what that software would be like, if we want thin and light iPad Pro hardware, then I don’t know if a complete replacement is ever going to be in the cards (or any time soon) at base level due to physics and current tech. I’d venture to guess the 13” MacBook Air is Apple’s baseline standard for macOS performance and battery life, otherwise they probably would have made it thinner and lighter. To have the same thermals and battery size, the 13” iPad would need to be thicker and heavier, making it a worse tablet. The 11” iPad being smaller would need to be even thicker. Until technology gets so good that these thermals and battery sizes don’t make any significant difference (long time to go there), I think MacBooks/macOS will always prioritize performance/productivity and iPads/iPadOS will always prioritize portability/simplicity.

Of course it’s easy enough to just say Apple should make a new device—some say a beefier Mac tablet, some say a Mac keyboard base that you attach your iPad to. But as with any product change, the real questions are realistically what would those UXes be like, and would they really have mass market appeal (or are they just a techie’s niche wish)?
 
So I realise the iPad doesn't need 'fixing' in the sense that everyone reading this forum will already own and enjoy one (myself included), but there's no getting away from the fact that the iPad is in a weird place, with a confused line-up, limited software support and a stagnant OS. It's good, but it could be so much more. Here's my ideas for changing that:

1. Ditch the App Store only approach

Apple is addicted to its 30% cut, but what works when you are in a phone duopoly doesn't really translate to a niche device like the iPad. There simply isn't the size of market and thus developer support for Apple to eat 30% (or even 15%) of revenue. The App Store will have it's place for many and the EU has shown that allowing other App Stores doesn't lead to the apocalypse. Right now iPad is just not a desirable dev platform unless you have a piece of software that can support gacha like subscription revenues or Apple is bankrolling the port to sell hardware.

2. Get MacOS apps on the iPad

If Apple can cross the Rubicon by allowing outside apps, then the main barrier to allowing MacOS goes too. Ideally get MacOS entirely, interface and all, but with a touch mode for MacOS apps within iOS. This might seem like a last resort, since arguably it could kill native iPad app development, but I think this is a key new value proposition to tempt non-iPad owners and upgraders. It's much like how (when Macs were more niche) the ability to run Windows on Macs removed a key barrier for many buyers. Boot Camp didn't kill MacOS, it drove Mac sales and ultimately MacOS usage. I think MacOS on iPad could be the same.

3. Sort out the product line-up

The iPad market does not seem big enough to support four product lines (Pro, Air, 'regular', Mini). Plus the two sizes for Pro and Air, cellular and non-cellular, multiple colours and four storage sizes. Then you also have multiple accessory ranges in terms of pencils, keyboards and cases.

I think all this variety dilutes the message from Apple about what an iPad is 'for' and makes it harder for devs to target a consistent platform. A Nintendo Switch would not be helped by adding a model that is marketed to run Excel (or Photoshop). I'm equally not convinced that Apple having specific 'Pro' models is all that helpful, when Pro use is a niche use-case for a niche product. Cut the hardware choices in half (at least) and make the accessory range more consistent. Only segment the market to the same degree as an iPhone when the iPad gets to be as ubiquitous.

Personally I would suggest a basic iPad coming in standard and mini variants (since the Mini largely tracks the base iPad specs), marketed as the iPad for everyone. Then the upsell is to a merged Air/Pro range marketed to both enthusiasts and pros. In practice that probably leaves the Air being killed and Apple having to lower the entry price for the Pro line-up.
hard agree on your last point. This is a really good idea. Then have 2 modes of iPadOS - a pro mode and standard mode. The Air/Pros could do both, so when you're kicking back on the couch with the Air/Pros you can temporarily downgrade to a relaxing standard mode.
 
They should change the iPad Mini to colour e-ink and make it an ereader.
As well as Books and News+, they could include Notes, Journal and an art sketchbook so we could write with our Apple pencils
i'd be so down for this. Would never happen though
 
I’ve been using iPads for several years, and my biggest wish would be a larger display. I tried the Tab S9 Ultra but the software was so rough around the edges, I had to send it back. 🫩

DeX mode on the Tab S9 Ultra sure is a nice benefit and I wish the iPad had that feature. Makes me wonder if that equivalent is in the future for the iPad.
 
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