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Police are investigating a "serious" security breach after a civil servant lost top-secret documents containing the latest intelligence on al-Qaeda.

The unnamed Cabinet Office employee apparently breached strict security rules when he left the papers on the seat of a train.

A fellow passenger spotted the envelope containing the files and gave it to the BBC, who handed them to the police.

The official was later suspended from his job, the Cabinet Office announced.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith now faces demands for an official inquiry.

Keith Vaz MP, chairman of the powerful Home Affairs select committee told the BBC: "Such confidential documents should be locked away...they should not be read on trains.

"I will be writing to the Home Secretary to establish an inquiry into the affair."

The Conservatives backed calls for an inquiry, with their security spokeswoman, Baroness Neville-Jones, describing the loss as the latest in a "long line of serious breaches of security."

Home Office minister Tony McNulty told the BBC he was awaiting the results of the police investigation.

'Damning assessment'

The two reports were assessments made by the government's Joint Intelligence Committee.

One, on Iraq's security forces, was commissioned by the Ministry of Defence. According to the BBC's security correspondent, Frank Gardner, it included a top-secret and in some places "damning" assessment of Iraq's security forces,
The other document, reportedly entitled 'Al-Qaeda Vulnerabilities', was commissioned jointly by the Foreign Office and the Home Office.

Just seven pages long but classified as "UK Top Secret", this latest intelligence assessment on al-Qaeda is so sensitive that every document is numbered and marked "for UK/US/Canadian and Australian eyes only", according to our correspondent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7449255.stm


I wonder if the person responsible for this breach will lose their job?
 
The unnamed Cabinet Office employee apparently breached strict security rules when he left the papers on the seat of a train.

Such as don't leave stuff on a train.

Just another example of why ID cards are a great idea. :rolleyes:
 
If the job requires taking sensitive documents out of the office, then they should not be held responsible.

Do it at work, and leave it there.

If you need more staff, justify it.
 
If the job requires taking sensitive documents out of the office, then they should not be held responsible.

Not heald responsible for leaving it on a train :eek: It is sheer incompetance.

If for example they were mugged then I would agree that they shouldn't be held responsible but seriously they left it on a train as if it was an umbrella.
 
Not heald responsible for leaving it on a train :eek: It is sheer incompetance.

If for example they were mugged then I would agree that they shouldn't be held responsible but seriously they left it on a train as if it was an umbrella.

If they have to take the documents home to work on them, then let the government supply a secure mode of transport.
 
It just so embarrassing. I think we're starting to know what it must feel like to have Bushy boy in charge.

EPIC levels of incompetence all round. So sad.
 
Everyone makes mistakes, even me.

What I don't understand is why it was printed and taken out of the building in the first place.

AppleMatt
 
Yep , the folks in government are human just like us and make mistakes just like use BUT when , it actually happens that a mistake is proven to cost life ,then , and only then , will security be put to the level it should be at for items of 'top security' .

Yet another EPIC fail on the part of those in power ......It doesn't matter what colour tie they wear , they are all the same .



edit> like the guy below says that the person concerned has been suspended .....probably on full pay !!, - incompetence of this magnitude is deplorable ....whatever they say we are all scr**ed......imagine how many things like this have happened and never got out to the public :O
 
I wonder if the person responsible for this breach will lose their job?

Apparently suspended…
Link…
The Cabinet Office has suspended the civil servant at the centre of an inquiry into the loss of top-secret documents on al-Qaeda and Iraq.

God, the incompetence is mind blowing. However the documents were not supposed to have been removed from Whitehall.
Still, you'd think someone in that position would know better.

God save the Qu… err… UK… :eek:
 
To me it reminds me that 'the government' is made up of humans, who are certainly capable of screwing up. To expect otherwise is fallacious.

But why does the loss of extremely confidential information always happen in Britain? That's 3 strikes in 12--18 months.

Before reading the article, I was hoping it wasn't another story coming out of the UK. I feel so bad for your government already. :rolleyes:
 
It seems highly unlikely that the only time someone took Top Secret documents on a train, they also managed to leave them behind.

It's hard not to conclude that this goes on all the time but they usually remember to take the frigging things off the seat when they get up to go.
 
How many people with more than an IQ of 5 forget to take something as CRUCIAL as top secret documents off the train?

I mean, if it were me, I'd be worrying about losing them the whole journey, and making sure I had a secure grip on them when I left. Especially if they weren't even meant to be in the public anyway.

Some people are such idiots.
 
Quite frankly this happens more often than not, but it's often laptops. Top executives have left their laptops in their cars to go to lunch/golf and found their cars broken into and laptops stolen once they returned. I can safely say that I know of 7 times when a blackberry or laptop was stolen from cars of the top three people in command at my company. Each time they were at lunch or on the golf course.

If her work requires her to take said documents out of the office then while she is stupid, I think prosecution is harsh.
 
If her work requires her to take said documents out of the office then while she is stupid, I think prosecution is harsh.

He/she took the documents out of the "secure" Government office when there was no need to do so.
I'd say prosecution is well in order… :confused:
Although I'd say not just for the culprit.
 
More secret files found on train

More confidential government files were found on a train earlier this week, it has been revealed.

The Independent on Sunday says it was handed the documents, which cover fighting global terrorist funding, drugs trafficking and money laundering.

The files, relating to a meeting of financial crime experts, were found on the same day as another batch of secret papers were handed to the BBC.

A Treasury spokesman said the government was "extremely concerned".

The documents apparently include briefing notes for a meeting of the international Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to be held in 11 Downing Street next week.

Yard 'not involved'

A Treasury spokesman said: "We are extremely concerned about what has happened and we will be taking steps to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future."

The papers were found on train bound for London Waterloo on 11 June, the same day that another batch of secret papers relating to intelligence assessments of Iraq and al-Qaeda were handed to the BBC after being left by a senior official on a train.

The confidential files were said to include details of how trade and banking systems could be manipulated to finance illicit weapons of mass destruction in Iran.

They also discussed methods of terrorist funding and the potential fraud of commercial websites and international internet payment systems.

The Independent on Sunday said it had returned the documents and would not be divulging any details contained in them.

Scotland Yard said it was not involved in investigating the latest case.

The FATF conference is due to begin on Monday at the QE2 Conference Centre in Westminster, opposite the Houses of Parliament.

The FATF was established by the 1989 G7 summit in Paris to spearhead efforts to counter the use of the international financial system by criminals.

It has since expanded to 34 members.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7455084.stm


Once is unfortunate, twice is...
 
But why does the loss of extremely confidential information always happen in Britain? That's 3 strikes in 12--18 months.

Before reading the article, I was hoping it wasn't another story coming out of the UK. I feel so bad for your government already. :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure this happens frequently in the US also. So don't go being all smug and superior. :p
 
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