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Swabbie

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Hello

When I boot up my G4 (Gigabit Ethernet Tower) the 20” Cinema Diaplay (aluminum) screen come on just fine then at a point in the boot it goes dark and never comes back.

Computer/video card works on my cheapo vga monitor.

The system profiler on the video card (which has VGA and DVI out) data is as follows

display
ATI,Rage 1 29Pd
ATI Rage 1 28Pro
113-72701-125
O
1002
16MB

I’m running OS 10.2

Is this card not able to drive this monitor or is there something wrong w the monitor you think.

I got it off Facebook marketplace and the guy said it worked.
 

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Is this card not able to drive this monitor or is there something wrong w the monitor you think.
1680×1050 at 60 Hz requires a 119.00 MHz pixel clock using CVT-RB timings.
The ATI Rage 128 Pro’s TMDS transmitter may be limited to around 112.27 MHz since the DVI port is only meant to be able to run the 22” Cinema Display (1600×1024 at 60 Hz).

Does your Cinema Display work on another system?
 
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1680×1050 at 60 Hz requires a 119.00 MHz pixel clock using CVT-RB timings.
The ATI Rage 128 Pro’s TMDS transmitter may be limited to around 112.27 MHz since the DVI port is only meant to be able to run the 22” Cinema Display (1600×1024 at 60 Hz).

Does your Cinema Display work on another system?
Wow. I love the technical answer. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being just this but boy does this trigger an anti apple rant in me.

Like, we could totally make this monitor KEEP ON PROVIDING VIDEO like it did at the beginning of the boot phase with not even cutting edge tech (multi sync?) that even the cheapo monitors have but NOOO, we’re gonna use that money to make it look sexy. Form over function: the Apple Way. Provide the upgraded whizz bang card to feed our sexy monitor or you get NOTHINGGgg!

Rant/

Anyway. I have several various AGP macs but don’t have any other DVI out cards except this one.

Is there any probability that it could an a mobo issue - so swapping the card to a different system may be of T/S value?
 
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Hi. I have the same setup working here. G4 Gigabit with aluminium 20” Cinema Display but I’m not sure if my Rage128Pro has 32MB of vídeo or only 16MB as it seems you have.
 
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[…] G4 Gigabit with aluminium 20” Cinema Display but I’m not sure if my Rage128Pro has 32MB of vídeo or only 16MB as it seems you have.
I think the Rage 128 Pro only came with 16 MB in G4s, if your card has 32 MB it might be a different beast, e.g. a Radeon with a higher pixel clock limit.
 
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I finally came around to check and I have to say that I was wrong.
I get the same behaviour with the setup the OP and I share.
The screen comes on briefly on boot and then just goes black.
I also can confirm that my Rage 128Pro has only 16MB.
I got tricked by my bad memory.
 
Wow. I love the technical answer. [...]
Expanding on this (sorry for the delay!), here are some things worth trying:

1. Use a VGA to HDMI adapter such as this one (make sure it works in this direction, not the other way round!) coupled with a passive HDMI (male) to DVI (female) adapter to hook up the Cinema Display to the Rage's VGA port. Yes, really. The VGA port can handle much higher pixel clocks (300 MHz) than the DVI port due to CRTs needing larger blanking periods than LCDs and thus needing a higher pixel clock for a given timing, and CRTs being able to cope with much higher resolutions and refresh rates than LCDs of the day.

2. Connect both a VGA monitor and the Cinema Display to the Rage at the same time. It doesn't support dual monitors so just one of the outputs may be active, or both may run at the same timing and display the same thing. If both are active, you could then check what mode the Cinema Display is being run at by the Rage. You could then try to use DisplayConfigX to define custom modes (see option 4 for details on these).

3. Connect just a VGA monitor to the Rage, boot the Mac and install a VNC server that works on Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar (VineServer?). Configure it to allow remote access to the Mac starting at the login screen (i.e. when the GUI loads and the Cinema Display turns black); then reboot with just the Cinema Display hooked up and connect to the Mac from another system on the same network using a VNC client. Check what mode the Cinema Display is being run at. You could then try to use DisplayConfigX to define custom modes (see option 4 for details on these).

4. Upgrade to Mac OS X v10.3 Panther or a later version so you can use SwitchResX to define custom modes (DisplayConfigX needs to be purchased in order to define custom modes without restrictions. SwitchResX does not but it requires Panther at least.) The reason for using SwitchResX is to try custom 1680×1050 CVT-RB modes with reduced refresh rates in order to stay below the TMDS transmitter's pixel clock limit. Assuming it is around 112.27 MHz, 1680×1050 at 56 Hz refresh (111 MHz pixel clock) should be doable, but the question is: will the Cinema Display accept that mode or will it remain black? If it doesn't accept 56 Hz, check if 57, 58 or 59 Hz work, conveniently also determining where the TMDS transmitter's pixel clock limit is in the process. Since you won't be able to see anything on the Cinema Display until you manage to find a working mode, you need to be remotely logged on to the Mac using VNC to do this (see option 3 for details).
 
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