Does anyone know if the recycled titanium in ultra 2 is worse than the titanium used in ultra 1. I feel like apple would find ways to cheap out on the new product after they released those horrible recycled finewoven cases.
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Ultra 2’s 95% recycled titanium
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What are you worried about? I haven't seen any posts here unhappy with the build quality of the AWU 2.
Probably shouldn’t buy something that you suspect is a cheap product. Apple will miss you. /s
Ultra 2 is tested to the same specs as the original, all listed I. The specs - so what’s your point?
The air you breathe is also "recycled".
Indeed … in every glass of water you drink, there’s a non-zero number of water molecules that once passed through the kidneys of a certain Gaius Julius Caesar.
… and, believe me, you do NOT want to know where the atoms of your daily bread have been …
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What if newly harvested material is just as bad? Apple cheap out on mining techniques? At this point Apple should just say nothing so fewer people would induce unnecessary worry to themselves.
Air, water, food, all of which have been “recycled” one way or the other. The only brand new parts probably are those microplastic particles.
(Yes I know the OP is sarcastic)
I'd pay more attention to the titanium alloy or grade than its recycling status, it's more informative. Metals recycling is generally an excellent process and not subject to the same problems as plastic recycling and the finewoven products those become.
IIRC, the original Ultra was made from Grade 2 commercially-pure Titanium, while the Ultra 2 is made from Grade 5 Titanium.
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Grade 5 Titanium is definitely not as pure as Grade 2, but the grade has nothing to do with its recycling status, just what properties it has. Whether recycled or made from newly mined materials, Grade 5 is stronger than Grade 2, but slightly more susceptible to corrosion for example.
IIRC, the original Ultra was made from Grade 2 commercially-pure Titanium, while the Ultra 2 is made from Grade 5 Titanium.
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Grade 2 Titanium vs Grade 5 - What's the Difference
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Grade 5 Titanium is definitely not as pure as Grade 2, but the grade has nothing to do with its recycling status, just what properties it has. Whether recycled or made from newly mined materials, Grade 5 is stronger than Grade 2, but slightly more susceptible to corrosion for example.
This is the key, here.I'd pay more attention to the titanium alloy or grade than its recycling status, it's more informative. Metals recycling is generally an excellent process and not subject to the same problems as plastic recycling and the finewoven products those become.
IIRC, the original Ultra was made from Grade 2 commercially-pure Titanium, while the Ultra 2 is made from Grade 5 Titanium.
Weekend Edition: Let's Lighten Up And Talk Titanium
Lightweight, strong, and full of character. There's a reason watchmaking has taken to titanium.
Grade 2 Titanium vs Grade 5 - What's the Difference
Learn what makes grade 2 titanium and grade 5 titanium different, the advantages and disadvantages of each material, and how to choose which one is right for you.
Grade 5 Titanium is definitely not as pure as Grade 2, but the grade has nothing to do with its recycling status, just what properties it has. Whether recycled or made from newly mined materials, Grade 5 is stronger than Grade 2, but slightly more susceptible to corrosion for example.
The Titanium 5 that Apple is using in the Ultra 2 should actually make it more durable than the virgin pure titanium in the original Ultra.
Yeah bro, screw recycling! I would pay more for a pure titanium watch not this woke recycled bullshi*t, bring back the alpha titanium!
Thanks to all those who responded. I wasn’t sure how or if the recycling would diminish the quality of the ultra 2. I didn’t know the ultra 1 was grade 2 and the ultra 2 was grade 5. They should have just listed that as one of the differences.
I don’t care much for introducing recycled materials just to “save the planet”. That seems like a marketing gimmick that’s often used to lower manufacturing costs and increase profits. I think it’s a gimmick because a lot more needs to and could be done to save the planet beyond creating a carbon neutral Apple Watch ultra.
I don’t care much for introducing recycled materials just to “save the planet”. That seems like a marketing gimmick that’s often used to lower manufacturing costs and increase profits. I think it’s a gimmick because a lot more needs to and could be done to save the planet beyond creating a carbon neutral Apple Watch ultra.
How do you know which grade of titanium the watches use?I'd pay more attention to the titanium alloy or grade than its recycling status, it's more informative. Metals recycling is generally an excellent process and not subject to the same problems as plastic recycling and the finewoven products those become.
IIRC, the original Ultra was made from Grade 2 commercially-pure Titanium, while the Ultra 2 is made from Grade 5 Titanium.
Weekend Edition: Let's Lighten Up And Talk Titanium
Lightweight, strong, and full of character. There's a reason watchmaking has taken to titanium.
Grade 2 Titanium vs Grade 5 - What's the Difference
Learn what makes grade 2 titanium and grade 5 titanium different, the advantages and disadvantages of each material, and how to choose which one is right for you.
Grade 5 Titanium is definitely not as pure as Grade 2, but the grade has nothing to do with its recycling status, just what properties it has. Whether recycled or made from newly mined materials, Grade 5 is stronger than Grade 2, but slightly more susceptible to corrosion for example.
Titanium is harder, but not necessarily stronger in every measure of strength. It's also brittle - which I suspect is why it is composited with aluminum in the new iPhone. The hardness also makes it more expensive to machine - the CNC bits have to be harder, get dull faster, and take more shallower passes. As for machining, while titanium is perfectly safe with the oxidation layer just sitting there, extra precautions have to be taken when machining titanium due to it's reactivity and ability to burn spectacularly. I'm impressed Apple is able to cost-effectively mass produce something like this with titanium.
But every little thing counts.
Interesting stuff, thanks. I’ve always wondered about second-use metal…how do you get precise control of the final alloy when you can’t really (I assume you can’t?) know the exact composition of the pieces that are going into your recycled/second-use metal. Edit: this turns out to be only partly correct, because a major source of “recycled” titanium is waste from operations such as turning and machining, which can produce a lot of waste that the manufacturer would know the exact composition of.) On the other hand, for uses like this, maybe it’s irrelevant? There’s a world of difference between a watch case and internal jet engine parts or airframe parts in jet aircraft.I'd pay more attention to the titanium alloy or grade than its recycling status, it's more informative. Metals recycling is generally an excellent process and not subject to the same problems as plastic recycling and the finewoven products those become.
IIRC, the original Ultra was made from Grade 2 commercially-pure Titanium, while the Ultra 2 is made from Grade 5 Titanium.
Weekend Edition: Let's Lighten Up And Talk Titanium
Lightweight, strong, and full of character. There's a reason watchmaking has taken to titanium.
Grade 2 Titanium vs Grade 5 - What's the Difference
Learn what makes grade 2 titanium and grade 5 titanium different, the advantages and disadvantages of each material, and how to choose which one is right for you.
Grade 5 Titanium is definitely not as pure as Grade 2, but the grade has nothing to do with its recycling status, just what properties it has. Whether recycled or made from newly mined materials, Grade 5 is stronger than Grade 2, but slightly more susceptible to corrosion for example.
THere’s an interesting discussion of sources for “recycled” titanium here.
And OBTW, referring to one of the posts above, apparently sub hulls are a major source of recycled titanium, though I’m sure that’s done with intentionally decommissioned subs, not one-off disaster casualties. 🥺
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I thought it was listed somewhere, but the definitely noted it during the keynote video when the Ultra 2 was announced.
They discussed the composition somewhere as Ti-6Al-4V. I was certain it was in the keynote somewhere. Unless it was edited out.... I watched it live and recall looking up Ti-5.
Regardless, Apple's specifications indicate aerospace grade titanium for the Ultra 2, which is titanium 5 alloy.
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They said that for the ultra 1. I’ve had grade 5 watches and the color is more SS vs the grayish of the grade 5. They should have said aerospace grade for the iPhone 15 pro max but they stated grade 5.