Unusable – 2016 15" MacBook Pro 2.7Ghz

henryaaron

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Running BigSh** 11.2.1
It would take too long to go into detail but the thing is too slow to run TextEdit. This generation... IYKYK
4 years old, $3000, not upgradeable – really feels like I got the short end of the stick.
How to justify buying another laptop from Apple...
 
When did the problems appear?
Right after you upgraded to Big Sur, by any chance?
If so, have you considered "wiping it" and "taking it back" to an earlier version of the OS...?
 
When did the problems appear?
Right after you upgraded to Big Sur, by any chance?
If so, have you considered "wiping it" and "taking it back" to an earlier version of the OS...?
Actually, the issues started smaller in Catalina.
Then Safari 14 was released ahead of Big Sur and was the first example of really frustrating performance. Safari is my preferred browser, but now I use Chrome when I want to work faster.
Then Big Sur magnified all the other issues.
It didn't bother me initially that there were issues in Catalina, every other major mac OS in recent years release has had performance issues until they're ironed out in later small releases. Except in this case they didn't improve and now they're really bad. But my computer doesn't show even show any CPU peaking, just some high levels of RAM usage – except this computer has 16GB of RAM which is higher than what is offered by prebuilt M1 Macs?
I have an inkling this is forced obsoletion.
I don't have a backup from before Catalina.
 
Go back to Mojave, that runs great on my macbook air from 2010
bug sir is designed for later macbooks and the M1.
and enjoy your macbook pro!
 
My 2016 15” MBP 2.9Hhz with 16GB RAM and 1TB still runs great even on Big Sur I believe you might have a corrupted program or even a bad install of the OS on yours. There shouldn’t be any reason for your computer to start acting slow otherwise.
 
Hiya, saw this in passing as I have the same model.

It's definitely the biggest lemon I've ever owned — on the third keyboard, and now the battery is flaking out — but it absolutely runs Big Sur just fine. There is something wrong with your OS installation.

The first thing I usually try when something like this comes up is creating a new user account. Just make a new account named "Barry Bluejeans" or whatever, then login as Barry and load Texedit (and Safari, and whatever else you normally use) and see how that goes. I'd say 95% of the time you'll find everything is magically fine in this account.

So what's going on? Basically something in your ~/library. You've either got a broken preference file, or some app is being launched upon login that is f*cking up everything. Possibly malware, like a keyboard logger or bitcoin miner.

If you're knowledgable enough to manage this, you can go through your Library item by item to identify the issue… but the simplest answer is just to start from scratch in a new user account.

The other 5% of the time… well if you're a software developer, there's no end to the ways you can mess stuff up. Or a malware that has infested the system, which is incredibly hard to do these days… basically if you reformat the system to factory settings you'll be good to go.
 
"I have an inkling this is forced obsoletion." that is ludicrous. I have twelve-year-old Macs that still run great.

"bug sir is designed for later macbooks and the M1." also preposterous

^^ try the process I just outlined. If the new account runs well and you want help moving stuff to it, holler and I'll outline some steps.
 
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I have a mid-2015 15" MBP that is the i7 2.8ghz and it is running Big Sur fine. I would tend to agree that there is an issue with the install.
 
Running BigSh** 11.2.1
It would take too long to go into detail but the thing is too slow to run TextEdit. This generation... IYKYK
4 years old, $3000, not upgradeable – really feels like I got the short end of the stick.
How to justify buying another laptop from Apple...
I feel you. Anything after 2012 model up to 2015 is not upgradable. You are stuck with a paper weight pretty much. I feel sorry for those who spent 5000 or more on the so called 2019 macbook pro only to find out M1 came out after. As for Big Slur, yes.. I don't like it either.
 
Actually, the issues started smaller in Catalina.
Then Safari 14 was released ahead of Big Sur and was the first example of really frustrating performance. Safari is my preferred browser, but now I use Chrome when I want to work faster.
Then Big Sur magnified all the other issues.
It didn't bother me initially that there were issues in Catalina, every other major mac OS in recent years release has had performance issues until they're ironed out in later small releases. Except in this case they didn't improve and now they're really bad. But my computer doesn't show even show any CPU peaking, just some high levels of RAM usage – except this computer has 16GB of RAM which is higher than what is offered by prebuilt M1 Macs?
I have an inkling this is forced obsoletion.
I don't have a backup from before Catalina.
Are you using a hard drive or SSD? APFS runs so poorly on a hard drive that it's difficult to believe that Apple would allow it.
 
It's a 2016 Macbook Pro. No HD.

The more I think about it, the more positive I am that he has malware. Hope OP comes back in. We can fix this.
 
Sorry to hear about your travails. Maybe it is a failing internal flash (SSD) drive. This drive is also referred to as the internal "blade" drive. Read on:

I have a late 2015 27" iMac with a fusion drive and had been experiencing similar problems, really over the past year or two. Just seemed to keep getting slower and slower. Would get spinning beach ball for what seemed an eternity all the time. Didn't seem to be too related to any particular task. I thought it was worse with Mail and Safari, but probably only because those were the applications I used most often.

I tried everything: using a different browser, creating a new user account, scanning for viruses and malware (found a few, but probably not the problem), removing all peripheral devices, booting into safe mode, removing start-up items, removing other applications, and finally starting clean with a complete erase and reinstall (time consuming hassle). I reinstalled Big Sur *without* using a full time machine restore - instead just reinstalled the applications I wanted and manually copied back my data files so that I wouldn't just "copy back" the old problem.

Some things seemed to help, but problem just came back and continued to get worse.

Then my computer started to panic and randomly shut down. I could not pinpoint the problem to any particular activity. Finally, it refused to start back up. Would turn on but then hang during start up.

Making a long story shorter, I used various recovery modes (finally figured out that making external boot USB was best method - albeit, rather slow) and figured out that the SSD portion of my fusion drive was no longer being consistently recognized. I was finally able to force the computer to simply stop using the SSD altogether. I then erased the internal spinning HDD (SATA) again and reinstalled everything (again!) only on the SATA internal hard drive.

Now my computer works almost like it did when new. Really. Very snappy now. I almost forgot what it was like. Yes it is missing the benefit of the 128 GB internal flash drive portion of the fusion drive, but it works far better than it has over the past year or two.

I am no hardware expert, but now understand that SSDs have a finite lifetime. At five years old of heavy usage, my guess is that it reached its limit. Everyone talks about how spinning HDDs will always eventually fail. True enough (and always make multiple backups!). But so do SSDs, and it seems that in my case, the failing SSD seems to have been the culprit.

If all else fails, you might consider replacing your laptop's 5 year old internal SSD. Not the easiest of tasks, but doable. You have to find the correct SSD - Apple's have proprietary pin connections (of course 🙄) and most others out there will not work. You can look at OWC for replacement SSD kits. Another company to try is Fledging (in Alabama of all places) - very responsive to my questions and dedicated to Macs. I am sure there are others out there (I found one on eBay from China that is supposedly specific for my machine, but seems a little sketchy). The "fixit" website may also steer you to good video directions.

Be aware that some people report problems after SSD replacement for older machines that include hibernation issues, lack of TRIM support, and other things I don't know too much about (but which can supposedly be addressed). But then again, a lot of people report having made this replacement successfully. Do you homework first.

I have considered the same, but this task is appears more difficult on a desktop iMac. I am too chicken to do it now, but whenever I finally get a new desktop, I may try open surgery to replace both the internal ("blade") SSD as well as the internal HDD (somewhat easier). If it works, I might just get another five years out of it as a secondary machine.

Addendum:
(If you have a thunderbolt port, you could also try running the machine off an external SSD - but this would not be as cool a fix! And larger thunderbolt drives still pretty expensive. If you can borrow one, you could try this first to see if it helps make your Mac runs better though.)
 
For what it's worth, my mid-2014 13" MBP Retina is running very nicely - currently on Big Sur 11.2.2 - as it has done with each iteration of OSX/MacOS since I bought it over six years ago.
 
I agree with the general sentiment that something is wrong with your OS installation. You can easily test this without messing everything up:

1) back it up (if I were you I would have two backups before doing this, one with Time Machine and one with Carbon Copy Cloner, to separate backup drives. I'm paranoid.)
2) create a new volume or partition (can be relatively small partition, say 64GB) on the internal drive
3) install a clean copy of Big Sur to this new partition
4) Boot into this and see how things run

If things now run well, consider the following steps in order of pain-in-the-buttedness:

1) An in-place reinstall on your main partition. This may fix things.
2) A wipe and clean install with full migration from your backup
3) A wipe and clean install with only a user-folder migration from backup
4) A wipe and clean install with only documents, desktop, music, movies etc. (no preferences or library) folder migration from backup - I don't remember if you can specifically exclude the library folder, so you may actually have to do much of this manually (see step 5)
5) A wipe and clean install with zero automatic migration from backup - only manual copying of important files back to primary storage

Regardless, once you have things up and working properly again from the main volume / partition, you can delete the temporary one you used for testing purposes.
 
:\ creating a new user account and logging into it is a much faster and equally less invasive way to check it out.

failing SSD is possible, but I've only seen that happen once or twice in my life. A malware or something corrupt in the Library is much more commonplace.
 
Chrome is Bad

Interesting read. I had previously suspected Chrome was causing problems -- and maybe it did/does for some. I had previously checked Activity Monitor frequently and often saw multiple hanging "Google Software Updater" processes. I did remove Chrome for awhile but overall slowness problems persisted. But FWIW, even with Chrome, I never saw my CPU usage skyrocket for more than briefly, nor did I ever come close to using all the RAM. So it seemed rogue software was not the culprit.

After eliminating my SSD part of the fusion drive, I have since reinstalled Chrome and have no problems on Big Sur. (Of course the OP does not have this luxury so easily, as the 2016 MacBook Pro probably has only one drive, not the two that I had with fusion drive)

failing SSD is possible, but I've only seen that happen once or twice in my life. A malware or something corrupt in the Library is much more commonplace.

Yes, probably true. But in my case, I think one to two years of deteriorating performance can be attributed to failing SSD. My 2015 iMac runs like almost new now. Never did that before, even after complete erase and reinstall.

Fixing a slowing Mac is a tricky and frustrating problem. Most cases probably due to software. But in my case, it turned out to be hardware problem.
 
I have twelve-year-old Macs that still run great.
I have an SE/30 that I still use for retro development today. Forced obsoletion, right.

I have a DUAL CORE, 14" MBpro from 2014 with 16GB Ram and 512 SSD and it seems to run Big Sur a tiny bit better than Catalina (even boots a bit faster).

I'd do a wipe and clean install on it.

Edit: also check the health of your SSD.
 
My MacBook Pros (2014, 2015) are running on Mojave and they're running just fine. I tried Big Sur on a Virtual Machine and it had some glitchiness and CPU spikes opening or reopening windows and it was annoying so I didn't upgrade. One system upgraded accidentally and performance was horrible so I restore Mojave from Time Machine. I will look at Big Sur in a year or two.

There is a program (TurboTax) that I use that will require at least Catalina in 2022 so I will have to find a solution for that. Hopefully I'll have an M1X system by then to run Big Sur if they've sufficiently fixed it.
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize this forum would get these replies. Thanks for your help in advance.

My 2016 15” MBP 2.9Hhz with 16GB RAM and 1TB still runs great even on Big Sur I believe you might have a corrupted program or even a bad install of the OS on yours. There shouldn’t be any reason for your computer to start acting slow otherwise.
This is good to know. My impression from talking to other owners is that this generation is just bad bad bad.

Hiya, saw this in passing as I have the same model.

It's definitely the biggest lemon I've ever owned — on the third keyboard, and now the battery is flaking out — but it absolutely runs Big Sur just fine. There is something wrong with your OS installation.
Those are good suggestions that I'd consider as a third resort. I do have keyboard issues but I'm just using the unshaky app because I don't want to give my computer to Apple for weeks on end.

I'd stop using Chrome.
I use Safari, but I use Chrome when I need to work faster. Chrome runs faster in my case.

As for Big Slur, yes.. I don't like it either.
My only concerns are performance related. Nothing cosmetic.

I'll do that first.

5) A wipe and clean install with zero automatic migration from backup - only manual copying of important files back to primary storage
If everything points to a bad OS. This will be the method I choose. I have most files in the cloud.

:\ creating a new user account and logging into it is a much faster and equally less invasive way to check it out.

failing SSD is possible, but I've only seen that happen once or twice in my life. A malware or something corrupt in the Library is much more commonplace.
How do you check for a failing SSD?

Have you ran diagnostics to see if you have a failure somewhere?
Nope, I'll do that second.
 
Updates…
I removed all of the following as instructed by Chrome is Bad:
Chrome
Chrome Canary
Edge
Edge Dev
…I develop the web…

No improvement

I ran diagnostics but it reported all is well.

I’m currently partitioning my drive to clean install Mac OS on it to isolate the issue to a corrupt OS.
 
I optioned to create a new user account instead of partitioning the drive. The new user is not showing the same issues which is tremendous news.

I’m not sure how I feel about migrating my stuff to a new account so I’ve been trying to dig for the issues in my Library folder.
 
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