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Other USB-C: iPhone 14 Pro & 14 Pro Max

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Excluding the 2021 iPad (9th Gen) all other 2021 iPad models replaced their Lightning port with a USB-C one.

I would not be surprised when the 2022 iPhone Pro & iPhone Pro Max will receive it too and have TB3 or USB4 40Gbps like the 2021 iPad Pro

The inclusion of TB3 & USB4 was made possible by the M1 chip

This will be a good thing as Apple introduced ProRes on the Pro & Pro Max that records at ~736Mbps.

Lightning may end up being the port of the lowest end iOS device like the cheapest iPad & iPhone SE.

Though I wouldnt be surprised that USB-C will be on all Apple products before 2030s.
 
One part of me thinks they don't have much interest in doing this. It's either Lightning or port-less.

The other part thinks the pro models could get USB C in the future.

For this year though it's looking like a 99% chance of just Lightning.
 
I need the 14s to still have some kind of port, be that Lightning or USB-C - my new car only has wired CarPlay and I've decided this year's model will be the one to replace my XS, so the phone will be with me for the duration of my car lease.
 
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A portless iPhone moving ProRes vids to a Mac would make it very unattractive to video people.

It is possible that the lowest-end iPad & iPhone would be portless while the higher end iPhone & iPads be with USB-C..

Either way I want faster 30W charging with future iPads & iPhones with larger mAh batteries at the same time lower overall power consumption
 
iFixit thinks that they are going portless. You can check this video where they talk about the removal of the diag port on the Apple Watch 7:

iFixit: "Apple also has a pretty long history of testing technology in the Apple Watch and then moving them to iPhone, so this could be a sign of a portless iPhone coming soon."

I also think if they were planning to do USB-C they would have done it already.

I feel all we will get is Magsafe, but a newer version of it that allows high-speed data transfer as well. We will see, but USB-C at this point is unlikely.
 
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I believe Apple goes to those proprietary MagSafe chargers and portless iPhones in the next 3-4 generations.

They could have easily moved to USB-C on all of their product line when they made their iPads and MacBooks USB-C.
 
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I believe Apple will have *some* kind of port on future iPhones. Creative is too big a part of Apple's audience to just drop ports. I could see Apple including a sealed plug for the Lightning port or USB-C port (should they choose that route, which I doubt). Folks like me could simply pop in the plug, keeping it dirt free and water tight since I never use it. Others who need it for CarPlay or video out can leave it open. $9.95 seems like a Apple-ish price point for the port plug. Ka-ching!
 
I understand there's an infinitesimal percentage of iPhone users who shoot pro video and need to copy large files, but for those enthusiasts, I'm sure AirDrop is plenty fast. Also, if you're using a phone for pro video, charging will be as much as a time suck as file transfer, and if you're investing $1500 in a device for video, you'll probably not want to kill the battery too fast by using a fast charger either.

In standard use, like people who just use a phone as a phone, what benefit would a USB C connector have over a lightning connector?
 
hmorneau said:
iFixit thinks that they are going portless. You can check this video where they talk about the removal of the diag port on the Apple Watch 7:

iFixit: "Apple also has a pretty long history of testing technology in the Apple Watch and then moving them to iPhone, so this could be a sign of a portless iPhone coming soon."

I also think if they were planning to do USB-C they would have done it already.

I feel all we will get is Magsafe, but a newer version of it that allows high-speed data transfer as well. We will see, but USB-C at this point is unlikely.
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Good luck transferring multi-gigabytes of video footage wirelessly and suffer along with it. Any disconnection is game over, not mention speed.

Good luck when your iPhone become unresponsive and need DFU mode.

Portless phone is novelty but not practical.
 
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macsound1 said:
I understand there's an infinitesimal percentage of iPhone users who shoot pro video and need to copy large files, but for those enthusiasts, I'm sure AirDrop is plenty fast. Also, if you're using a phone for pro video, charging will be as much as a time suck as file transfer, and if you're investing $1500 in a device for video, you'll probably not want to kill the battery too fast by using a fast charger either.

In standard use, like people who just use a phone as a phone, what benefit would a USB C connector have over a lightning connector?
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AirDrop is not fast compare with wire transfer and only with Apple devices. What if I am using Windows or Linux? What if I want transfer video footage from/to my computer? What if I want backup my phone using cable, since it is faster than backup to the cloud? What if I don’t want use iCloud backup?

What if i need put my phone to DFU mode? What if I am going to travel and I don’t want bring two cable with me? Everything is USB-C now, even iPad, so why not iPhone?

And fast charging doesn’t kill your battery.
 
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macsound1 said:
I understand there's an infinitesimal percentage of iPhone users who shoot pro video and need to copy large files, but for those enthusiasts, I'm sure AirDrop is plenty fast. Also, if you're using a phone for pro video, charging will be as much as a time suck as file transfer, and if you're investing $1500 in a device for video, you'll probably not want to kill the battery too fast by using a fast charger either.
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AirDrop is not 'plenty fast' for anything over a few GB. Recording ProRes on an iPhone takes up about 6GB of storage per minute. In my experience AirDrop is only a bit faster than USB 2.0, and this is with an iPhone 13 Pro and MacBook Pro 14".

macsound1 said:
In standard use, like people who just use a phone as a phone, what benefit would a USB C connector have over a lightning connector?
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USB-C is universal. Lightning is not. If Apple doesn't feel the need to put USB-C in iPhone 14, fine, then just give USB-C to Pros like Apple did with the fragmented iPad line.
 
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AirDrop is not fast compare with wire transfer and only with Apple devices. What if I am using Windows or Linux? What if I want transfer video footage from/to my computer? What if I want backup my phone using cable, since it is faster than backup to the cloud? What if I don’t want use iCloud backup?

What if i need put my phone to DFU mode? What if I am going to travel and I don’t want bring two cable with me? Everything is USB-C now, even iPad, so why not iPhone?

And fast charging doesn’t kill your battery.
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I think you misunderstand my statement.
I'm not discounting the speed advantage of hardware that's faster than USB2.

What I'm wondering is, besides transferring 100s of GBs of video, what day-to-day use would that high speed transfer get you?
In my example of a a video pro needing to transfer video files, they'd also need to be recharging the battery, so they have time to let the files transfer because they'd also be charging.
 
If Apple was going to USB-C, they would have done it two years ago.

iPhone doesn't need USB-C as it doesn't need 100W USB-PD, support for multiple external displays, nor storage.

Apple's vision is wireless and AirDrop based on Wi-Fi 6E will be able to handle ProRes sized files.
 
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I think you misunderstand my statement.
I'm not discounting the speed advantage of hardware that's faster than USB2.

What I'm wondering is, besides transferring 100s of GBs of video, what day-to-day use would that high speed transfer get you?
In my example of a a video pro needing to transfer video files, they'd also need to be recharging the battery, so they have time to let the files transfer because they'd also be charging.
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I also don’t want wait for WiFi when I restore my phone, cable is much reliable and faster.

To me honest, i also don’t think charging my phone via USB port is ideal. I rather want fast charging my phone via USB-C. Some Android phone allows 60-100W fast charging! Lightning port is not capable to reach that level of fast charging. You can literally charging Android phone with 4000mAh battery within half an hour!
 
JPack said:
If Apple was going to USB-C, they would have done it two years ago.

iPhone doesn't need USB-C as it doesn't need 100W USB-PD, support for multiple external displays, nor storage.

Apple's vision is wireless and AirDrop based on Wi-Fi 6E will be able to handle ProRes sized files.
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I don’t care about Mac, especially Apple switch to its own chip. The inability to run Windows is dealer breaker for me.


Hence, AirDrop is no go for me. I can imagine lots of people also don’t have Mac.
 
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I also don’t want wait for WiFi when I restore my phone, cable is much reliable and faster.

To me honest, i also don’t think charging my phone via USB port is ideal. I rather want fast charging my phone via USB-C. Some Android phone allows 60-100W fast charging! Lightning port is not capable to reach that level of fast charging. You can literally charging Android phone with 4000mAh battery within half an hour!
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But is charging a phone in 1/2 hour the best for optimal battery health? Considering iOS ships with Optimize Battery Charging by default, I don't think encouraging people to use 100w fast charger aligns with those ideals.

Apple seems to be limiting things like this because of it's prior backlash about aging batteries and how peak battery health affects device performance.
 
This is a photo of an actual meeting at Apple when they were discussing moving to USB C on the iPhone..

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But is charging a phone in 1/2 hour the best for optimal battery health? Considering iOS ships with Optimize Battery Charging by default, I don't think encouraging people to use 100w fast charger aligns with those ideals.

Apple seems to be limiting things like this because of it's prior backlash about aging batteries and how peak battery health affects device performance.
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Fast charging does not damage your battery, otherwise, Apple won't include PD fast charging. Although Apple is only allowing max 18W charging. I have been using 20W charger for all my iPhones, battery health is still good.

Xiaomi in other hand, including 100W fast charger, for most part, it is around 50-60W. Xiaomi including two battery cells that charging in parallel and including special chip for charging. This is just one example of fast charging.

Fast charging in general doesn't damage battery health.
 
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Good luck transferring multi-gigabytes of video footage wirelessly and suffer along with it. Any disconnection is game over, not mention speed.

Good luck when your iPhone become unresponsive and need DFU mode.

Portless phone is novelty but not practical
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Good luck plugging your headphone into an iPhone without a headphone jack. Ho, wait...

There's always been pushback every time, but Apple went ahead every single time (Floppy disk, dvd drive, flash, home button/fingerprint reader, headphone jack, port (soon to be)).

But each time they brought forward a new alternative as a replacement (ex. AirPods). For DFU there will be something (my guess a nextgen Magsafe that supports data transfer).

But iFixit and I might be wrong, but I hope not. The port is the biggest entry point for water and other crap, they need to move forward.

It also explains why they didn't move to the USB-C yet.
 
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Good luck plugging your headphone into an iPhone without a headphone jack. Ho, wait...

There's always been pushback every time, but Apple went ahead every single time (Floppy disk, dvd drive, flash, home button/fingerprint reader, headphone jack, port (soon to be)).

But each time they brought forward a new alternative as a replacement (ex. AirPods). For DFU there will be something (my guess a nextgen Magsafe that supports data transfer).

But iFixit and I might be wrong, but I hope not. The port is the biggest entry point for water and other crap, they need to move forward.

It also explains why they didn't move to the USB-C yet.
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Oh, 3.5 inch headphone jack is still in MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, entry level iPad. Lots of Android phone still have 3.5 inch headphone jack. So, all these people who think 3.5 inch headphone jack is outdated, you need rethink.

Remove 3.5 inch headphone jack is nothing but up selling its AirPod.

Guess what, water damage will still not covered by warranty even if Apple went complete portless iPhone.
 
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