Using someone else's persona - Can someone test this?

[Piggie]

Following lots of early reviews and articles that have just come out.
I'd love to know something, and would love if some people here, who have a multi person household can test this and report back to us what happens.

Let's say you use the Vision Pro to scan your face, and create your digital persona.
Then you let your partner, perhaps even your older child use your headset.
When you chat to someone, would it still use your originally scanned persona? Or will it notice that your face does not match somehow?

Let's say (for example) you are a lady, who perhaps is a little elderly and wishes they were younger, or perhaps wish you looked a certain way.
Could you simply get your older daughter, or a attractive looking friend to do the face scan, so that when you are online and chatting, people see this face and not your own?

I guess you could call this the ultimate catfishing potentially?

Would love to know if Apple has put things in place to stop one person pretending to be another visually.

 

[attohs]

I'm guessing it uses Optic ID to recognize it's a different person and won't allow the use of the owners persona.

Optic ID is a new authentication system that analyzes a user’s iris to unlock Vision Pro, autofill passwords, and complete payments with Apple Pay. Where a user looks stays private while navigating Vision Pro, and eye tracking information is not shared with Apple, third-party apps, or websites.

src: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/01/apple-vision-pro-available-in-the-us-on-february-2/

 

[kreasu_]

Was confirmed in the extended video that others can use your persona

 

[Night Spring]

As the 2nd poster said, once you create a persona, another user couldn't use that persona, because the system will recognize that it's a different user. I believe there is a guest mode to let other users try it out, but it wouldn't let a guest user use the main user's persona.

[Edit: At least that's how I think it should work, but apparently above video shows otherwise? Can't watch videos at the moment, could someone post a summary of what the video shows? Thanks.]

The interesting question is can you have somebody else create a persona in your place. I saw a YouTube video where a reviewer went through the process of creating a persona, but there was no mention of checking if the person creating the persona is the same person as the owner of the device. So I put on the VP, sign in to my iCloud account, link up all my info and data. Then I hand it to you to do the persona creation. Then I put it back on, and do FaceTime, and a persona based on your face appears as me? Sounds possible....

 

[someone33]

I wonder if you could just scan your cat or dog's face and use that.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Was confirmed in the extended video that others can use your persona

Ohhh dear you can pretend to be someone else if you have access. I wonder can you set your persona to be activated by you and you alone.

 

[Piggie]

I did think that perhaps if you looked VASTLY different to the stored Persona.
Say, MKBHD tried to you iJustine's Persona or visa versa then some camera pointed inwards towards your face (as far as I know only the eye tracking ones do that, so I guess they are very limited in function)
Perhaps they could recognise something does not match.
But unless there is a specific good quality colour camera facing inwards towards the wearer I'm not seeing how the headset would know a totally different person was wearing it, and what Persona to display to someone else.

A Guy wearing his Girlfriends Vision Pro (or visa versa) with a cheap voice changer (or just speak different) could perhaps make the other person at the other end of the chat think they are speaking to a totally different person.

I know Apple are not stupid (normally! ) So I hope they have considered that.

But think about it: Let's say you are a elderly male/female and wish to make others think you are as young as you'd like to be. Then probably easy to just get a friend (nice make-up/hair) to make an attractive Persona for you to use.

 

[Piggie]

Additionally..........

It will be very interesting, and I'm 100% sure people here will try it (and Apple should allow it IMHO)
How creative you are allowed to be when creating a Persona.

How "away" from a typical/normal human face will the system allow and be able to map?
If you suffer from a medical condition, such as downs syndrome or other conditions that cause your face/head to be a little different, will the Persona system respect that, or reject your face scan, or just uncanny valley alter it to fit what it considers normal?

EG: What if Steven Hawkins was still with us (terrible loss) would he be faithfully accepted and represented?

Knowing how strongly Apple maintain their caring and inclusive image I'm 100% sure some at Apple have considered this, so it will be very interesting to see how it actually works in this final product being sold to the public.

Of course it would be amazing and great to be able to scan your Cat/Dog/Llama ! But I'm 99% sure that would not work due to the difference in face shape.

 

[Night Spring]

But think about it: Let's say you are a elderly male/female and wish to make others think you are as young as you'd like to be. Then probably easy to just get a friend (nice make-up/hair) to make an attractive Persona for you to use.

Or other way around, you could be a young person wanting to look older so people take you more seriously.

I do like the idea of making your persona look like an animal. Remember that lawyer who got stuck with a filter that made him look like a cat? It'd be cool if you could do that on purpose.

 

[Night Spring]

What if Steven Hawkins was still with us (terrible loss) would he be faithfully accepted and represented?

He'd need help scanning himself, right? My mobility problem is nowhere as serious as his, but I have some concerns about how well I'd be able to scan myself. And it'd be interesting to see whether VP will try to replicate my facial tics, or replace it with more normal movements.

 

[ke-iron]

Ohhh dear you can pretend to be someone else if you have access. I wonder can you set your persona to be activated by you and you alone.

I don’t see how this is possible since it’s locked on the primary user account. Once someone else put it on it scans the eye to unlock and if you’re not that person you can’t get into their account.

 

[Piggie]

I don’t see how this is possible since it’s locked on the primary user account. Once someone else put it on it scans the eye to unlock and if you’re not that person you can’t get into their account.

But what if they are willing to help you, and let them use your image as their persona?

Take this scenario as an example:
Two sisters, one has been in an accident years ago, and has suffered a degree of facial disfigurement she is very self conscious about.
The headset arrives, and one of the first things it does is ask you to hold it away, facing you, so it's cameras can scan your face and create your persona.
You hand the headset to your sister (the one that did not have the accident) and she lets is scan her face.
She hands the headset back to you, and you carry on with the setup.
Hows the headset going to know that swap took place?

Could be two friends in the same scenario, a mother and daughter, a father and son.

Say I was a mid 20's gorgeous lady who enjoyed doing amazing makup-up jobs.
I could advertise myself to you.
You give me $100, I'll do my makeup to your taste, drive over, and allow you to use me as your persona for the headset, so when you go online, you have my "made up makeup/hairstyle" look for your persona.

 

[Night Spring]

Saw this video. Toward the end of the video, the owner tells his colleague the password and she can then presumably use his persona, even though they don't actually show that in this video.