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HarryTipper

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I was looking to buy the Lacie 500GB golden drive and I've realized that it's only USB compatible. What I want to know is if I use a firewire 400/800 adaptor would that give the HDD firewire speed?

If not I'll probably go for that Lacie shiny black one.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks.
 
I was looking to buy the Lacie 500GB golden drive and I've realized that it's only USB compatible. What I want to know is if I use a firewire 400/800 adaptor would that give the HDD firewire speed?

If not I'll probably go for that Lacie shiny black one.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks.

No, it will not speed it up. The speed is relative to the slowest point on the chain.
 
No, it will not speed it up. The speed is relative to the slowest point on the chain.

going along with this question....

I have a my book 500GB, but it is USB, and on my MacBook, I know there is a firewire 400 port right?

So could I use an adapter like this to free up one of my USB ports, because right now I have a mouse plugged in and the external, and it's full, and I still have to plug in my apple keyboard, printer, iPod and other randoms.


Besides isn't firewire 400 basically the same speed as USB 2.0? It's like 18mbps slower right, so I won't be losing much...?
 
going along with this question....

I have a my book 500GB, but it is USB, and on my MacBook, I know there is a firewire 400 port right?

So could I use an adapter like this to free up one of my USB ports, because right now I have a mouse plugged in and the external, and it's full, and I still have to plug in my apple keyboard, printer, iPod and other randoms.


Besides isn't firewire 400 basically the same speed as USB 2.0? It's like 18mbps slower right, so I won't be losing much...?

Yes you can use the adapter to free a usb port. Or you can just get a usb hub to give you more ports.

Firewire 400 and USB 2.0 are not identical is transfer speeds.

USB compared with FireWire

USB was originally seen as a complement to FireWire (IEEE 1394), which was designed as a high-speed serial bus which could efficiently interconnect peripherals such as hard disks, audio interfaces, and video equipment. USB originally operated at a far lower data rate and used much simpler hardware, and was suitable for small peripherals such as keyboards and mice.
The most significant technical differences between FireWire and USB include the following:
USB networks use a tiered-star topology, while FireWire networks use a repeater-based topology.
USB uses a "speak-when-spoken-to" protocol; peripherals cannot communicate with the host unless the host specifically requests communication. A FireWire device can communicate with any other node at any time, subject to network conditions.
A USB network relies on a single host at the top of the tree to control the network. In a FireWire network, any capable node can control the network.
USB runs with a 5 V power line, whereas Firewire can supply up to 30 V.
These and other differences reflect the differing design goals of the two buses: USB was designed for simplicity and low cost, while FireWire was designed for high performance, particularly in time-sensitive applications such as audio and video. Although similar in theoretical maximum transfer rate, in real-world use, especially for high-bandwidth use such as external hard-drives, FireWire 400 generally, but not always, has a significantly higher throughput than USB 2.0 Hi-Speed.[18][19][20][21] The newer FireWire 800 standard is twice as fast as FireWire 400 and outperforms USB 2.0 Hi-Speed both theoretically and practically.[22] The chipset and drivers used to implement USB and Firewire have a crucial impact on how much of bandwidth prescribed by the specification is achieved in the real world, along with compatibility with peripherals.[23] Audio peripherals in particular are affected by the USB driver implementation.[24]
One reason USB supplanted FireWire, and became far more widespread, is cost; FireWire is more expensive to implement, producing more expensive hardware.
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So then If firewire 400 is faster than USB, I wouldn't be loosing any speed because I am already stuck with USB on the HDD.

Would you recommend getting the USB>Firewire?

I kinda thought it would be cool to look neat and save clutter.

Because then I can use the keybaord, plug the mouse into the USB on they keyboard, and then just have a port open for when I want to use my iPod or Printer
 
So then If firewire 400 is faster than USB, I wouldn't be loosing any speed because I am already stuck with USB on the HDD.

Would you recommend getting the USB>Firewire?

I kinda thought it would be cool to look neat and save clutter.

Because then I can use the keybaord, plug the mouse into the USB on they keyboard, and then just have a port open for when I want to use my iPod or Printer

1. You are correct mostly. You won't be losing any speed (or minimal loss of speed) as far as I can see. But remember that the converter cable must first convert the data stream from USB 2.0 to Firewire 400. I don't think you will see any noticeable slowdown though.

2. I never used one so I can't make a recommendation on this.
 
No, because any adapter that translates between protocols is going to increase overhead, and it will be slower than the straight USB connection, plus a heightened risk of incompatibilities.

A USB hub would be the preferred solution here.

(what adapter are we talking about, anyway? A simple cable adapter is NOT going to do the trick. I don't know of an adapter that will plug a USB drive into a Firewire port.)
 
No, because any adapter that translates between protocols is going to increase overhead, and it will be slower than the straight USB connection, plus a heightened risk of incompatibilities.

A USB hub would be the preferred solution here.

(what adapter are we talking about, anyway? A simple cable adapter is NOT going to do the trick. I don't know of an adapter that will plug a USB drive into a Firewire port.)

I was thinking of something like this

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...d=10314&cs_id=1031401&p_id=362&seq=1&format=2

It's only $1
 

Those are USB to USB adaptors.

You cannot just convert USB to FireWire. It's more than just a signal. Each is an entirely different way of communicating / talking.

USB is essentially a "dumb" device. It sits there, and talks with the host computer (or rather the host computer talks with it).

FireWire is essentially a network of semi-intelligent devices talking together to get the data to the computer.

That's over simplifying it a bit. But, just illustrates how different each method is.

You cannot just plug USB into a FireWire chain and expect it to do anything. You would have to have an intelligent device that would sit between the FireWire chain and the USB device to act as a translator and pass information back and forth. It would need to act as host to the USB device, but also communicate with the rest of the FireWire chain as a standard FireWire device.

To date, I do not believe any such device has ever been made.
 
Those are USB to USB adaptors.

You cannot just convert USB to FireWire. It's more than just a signal. Each is an entirely different way of communicating / talking.

USB is essentially a "dumb" device. It sits there, and talks with the host computer (or rather the host computer talks with it).

FireWire is essentially a network of semi-intelligent devices talking together to get the data to the computer.

That's over simplifying it a bit. But, just illustrates how different each method is.

You cannot just plug USB into a FireWire chain and expect it to do anything. You would have to have an intelligent device that would sit between the FireWire chain and the USB device to act as a translator and pass information back and forth. It would need to act as host to the USB device, but also communicate with the rest of the FireWire chain as a standard FireWire device.

To date, I do not believe any such device has ever been made.
ok

damit.


so what is a good cheap USB hub I should get?
 
ok

damit.


so what is a good cheap USB hub I should get?

You'll have a hard time finding the difference between one and the other (other than cosmetic appearance). Just buy whatever one fits your budget, supports USB 2.0, and comes with it's own power source (to keep you from running out of USB power for devices that don't supply their own power).
 
The computer store that I went to had a kit with all different types of plugs that fit USB's. It's ridiculous, I can spend $180 on a Lacie Golden that's only usb compatible or pay $160 for the black glossy Lacie one thats FW400 compatible. sound easy enough to choose but damn that golden drive is sexy.
 
The computer store that I went to had a kit with all different types of plugs that fit USB's. It's ridiculous, I can spend $180 on a Lacie Golden that's only usb compatible or pay $160 for the black glossy Lacie one thats FW400 compatible. sound easy enough to choose but damn that golden drive is sexy.

Yep, gotta make sure you choose the function your desire over how much you like the way it looks.

For cheapness, you might also consider the option of just buying an external enclosure that you can swap your hard drive into. Put in in an enclosure that supports FireWire. You can save quite a lot that way. Probably only cost you around $30 or $40 to get a bare firewire enclosure to transplant your existing hard drive into.
 
Yeah I'll probably do that if I can find something that looks really nice, I know it's probably a little shallow to buy something purely because of the way it looks but I believe that everything that is on my desk should be a beautiful as the desk it is on.

Thanks for all your advice.
 
Yeah I'll probably do that if I can find something that looks really nice, I know it's probably a little shallow to buy something purely because of the way it looks but I believe that everything that is on my desk should be a beautiful as the desk it is on.

Thanks for all your advice.

Well, if appearance is a big issue, then you might look at the variety of hard drives and enclosures available at Other World Computing. They have some really nice ones that have all the different connection options. And, some of them are quite attractive or designed to match the Mac computer's.

And, almost all of their drives are also available as bare enclosures. So, if you want to re-use your existing drive, you can save a few dollars.

http://www.macsales.com

Personally, I just grabbed on of their ugly ones. But, I've been quite happy with it. Well, it isn't ugly, it just isn't stylish or pretty. But, it works great. If I was more concerned about it, I probably just would have gotten one of their more attractive units.

Good luck in your search.
 
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