Ventura - Stage Manager - Finder copy window always invisible

[okkibs]

So I've finally been forced to give up on Monterey due to the new Mac coming pre-installed with Ventura. Overall I like Stage Manager well enough, but I keep running into this strange issue where I am copying or moving files around in Finder and the small copy progress window does not appear. When I right click Finder in the dock and look at the windows it's not there. If I then click "Show All Windows" it does not show up either. Moving windows around to see if it's hiding somewhere doesn't work either, the window doesn't seem to exist.

This then leads to confusion, did it start copying? How long will this take? Especially when it's in the hundreds of GB and I don't want to accidentally interrupt it. I might reboot or shutdown the Mac without noticing.

However, if I then paste the copied item at the same location again, Finder now complains that it already exists (because it's being copied in the invisible window), and now the invisible window shows up and has 2 entries with the question if I want to replace the existing item on top, and the previously invisible copying at the bottom.

It's incredibly confusing as all data is stored on file shares and it's large archives (in the hundreds of Terabytes) of videos and photos. I've only used Ventura for a week and I'm overall happy with it, but this interrupts my workflow again and again.

Thanks!

 

[Anic297]

When I right click Finder in the dock and look at the windows it's not there. If I then click "Show All Windows" it does not show up either. Moving windows around to see if it's hiding somewhere doesn't work either, the window doesn't seem to exist.

What about choosing the window from the Finder's Window menu?

I don't want to accidentally interrupt it. I might reboot or shutdown the Mac without noticing.

No worry: the Finder would refuse to quit, alert you about some operations in progress and your Mac wouldn't shutdown.

 

[okkibs]

What about choosing the window from the Finder's Window menu?

"No available windows" - it's not that the window is hidden, there really is no window.

No worry: the Finder would refuse to quit, alert you about some operations in progress and your Mac wouldn't shutdown.

Well I did test that now and the screen goes blank immediately and it reboots so there's that. Good news is that after a reboot the problem is resolved for a while. Every couple days it starts happening and then a reboot fixes it. I found a workaround which is copying a file that already exists at the destination, then the window shows up and asks me if I want to replace the file. At that point I leave the window where it is and from then on all copy progress shows up in that window.

It's still ridiculous and makes me wonder if Apple ever use their own products internally that they keep overlooking such bugs, but now that I know what's going on and how to avoid it, it's not an issue anymore really. Thanks for the reply anyways!

 

[Anic297]

"No available windows" - it's not that the window is hidden, there really is no window.

I'm not sure where you've looked at. Even when there are no open windows in the Finder, there's no “No available windows” item in the Window menu.

The copy window shows here (at least on my computer) and I can show it from there.

Well I did test that now and the screen goes blank immediately and it reboots so there's that.

You've chosen to restart using the Terminal?

I tried myself a normal shutdown (from the  menu) and, while all other apps did quit first, the Finder loyally told me it couldn't quit because an operation was still in progress. The shutdown was aborted.

I found a workaround which is copying a file that already exists at the destination, then the window shows up and asks me if I want to replace the file. At that point I leave the window where it is and from then on all copy progress shows up in that window.

Right, that kind of workaround is necessary in various places in the system/applications

It's still ridiculous and makes me wonder if Apple ever use their own products internally that they keep overlooking such bugs, but now that I know what's going on and how to avoid it, it's not an issue anymore really. Thanks for the reply anyways!

I fairly well imagine their use of their products is similar to our: they aren't authorised to directly report an issue internally and must fill a radar case, like we do, queued like ours. Separate departments 😅.

You're welcome.

 

[spacemanspifff]

Hi try this. Start a large transfer, make sure that you have to have the window with the SOURCE folder in front. If you instead have the destination window/folder in front, the option to Show Progress Window will be grayed out. In the Finder Window Menu choose Show Progress Window. Once you have it shown it should stay that way.