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FooArk

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I first jailbroke my Apple device... maybe in 2009 or 2010.

I took a break for a while and just jailbroke my iPad over the weekend.

What the hell has happened? Looks like its no longer the free market it used to be.

Whats changed?
 
As the number of users dramatically declined, devs were forced to rely more on app sales and less on ad revenue (for development time costs, server hosting, etc).

I'm pretty sure paid apps have been around for almost Cydia's entire lifespan, but yeah, the ratio of paid:free apps is facing the wrong way now :p
 
As the number of users dramatically declined, devs were forced to rely more on app sales ...



I’m only laughing about this because this is what I said was going to happen since Day One of jailbreaking (back in 2007/2008), but kept being shouted down by JBers about the ‘purity’ and ‘nobility’ and other libertarian nonsense.

Ever since the Russians and Chinese got into the JB business (and yes, it’s a business), all that purity and nobility talk has gone silent.

Jail breaking had a valid purpose from 2007 through 2012, until the Singular/AT&T monopoly went away and Apple made iPhones available to other carriers, and started to sell them unlocked. The unlocked baseband on the 1st generation iPhone was the main reason for jailbreaking back then - there aren’t any significant reasons anymore, and the community has dispersed, mostly pushed by economic pursuits.
 
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The unlocked baseband on the 1st generation iPhone was the main reason for jailbreaking back then - there aren’t any significant reasons anymore, and the community has dispersed, mostly pushed by economic pursuits.

Ah, good times.

iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS using redsn0w, ultrasn0w.

A variety of factors haven't helped, such as
- Apple's bug bounty which increased the amount of time between iPhone releases and jailbreak releases (became more difficult to find bugs OR people would sell them instead)
- Apple's adoption of many jailbreak features into iOS
- Saurik's leadership. It was so great that it was difficult for others to measure up and assume the reins, so when he left there was a significant void

I've been saying this for a while - Apple should sell a jailbreak edition iPhone (call it the "Developer Edition") with open root access if you'd like it. Lets Apple monetize jailbreak fully, once and for all, lets enthusiasts have full access to programs (and maybe even have a hidden subsection in the App Store that's visible only for "Developer" phones that's based on a subscription fee since Apple Services are a growing sector)
 
Jail breaking had a valid purpose from 2007 through 2012, until the Singular/AT&T monopoly went away and Apple made iPhones available to other carriers, and started to sell them unlocked. The unlocked baseband on the 1st generation iPhone was the main reason for jailbreaking back then - there aren’t any significant reasons anymore, and the community has dispersed, mostly pushed by economic pursuits.
Significant reasons?

I guess that comes down to how that's defined.

I jailbreak because there are things Apple still doesn't let me do.

Just kind of getting tired of the argument of because "I" don't do it that automatically makes it unimportant and irrelevant to everyone else.
 
Out of curiosity is there a way to 'restore' your jailbreak? Lets say you have an iOS 11 device thats jailbroken. Now I want to jailbreak an iOS 12 device. Can I retain all my settings and stuff? I remember that was something that bugged me when I used to jailbreak back in the day. Always had to redo everything. Maybe I missed something though.

What are people jailbreaking for these days? I can't find a compelling reason other than customizing the interface which hasn't interested my in awhile.
 
What are people jailbreaking for these days? I can't find a compelling reason other than customizing the interface which hasn't interested my in awhile.

iPhones track your usage to a scary degree. For starters, we could disable that.

If the jailbreak scene was healthier and more accessible we could get professional companies going (for profit) and do some truly exciting things.

Here are a few ideas
- Modifying the system to its core. Completely revamping the UI and having the ability to change how we interact with the device and finally making use of all of the space on the screen
- Experimental features. Controlling your iPhone by using your eyes or the Face ID sensor / gestures
- plugging your iPhone into a custom dock and having it run a second screen and accept keyboard and mouse input and having a desktop on the go
- Streaming compatibility with services other than airplay or chromecast. Native chromecast, perhaps
- Adding a “Going out” mode. Disables texts to ex girlfriends unless you solve a math problem
- better control over do not disturb. Ie integrating a calendar and trigger do not disturb during classes for college students instead of on a set schedule
- Connect an iPhone and iPad directly and do interesting things (use iPad as second monitor for iPhone or use iPhone as extra monitor on iPad)
- Add users to iPad, iPhone
- Based on schedule or a lock screen icon, rearrange your icons to different modes (workout mode, home mode)

(I used to develop jailbreak tweaks a few years ago, taken from my reminders list of ideas)
 
iPhones track your usage to a scary degree. For starters, we could disable that.

If the jailbreak scene was healthier and more accessible we could get professional companies going (for profit) and do some truly exciting things.

Here are a few ideas
- Modifying the system to its core. Completely revamping the UI and having the ability to change how we interact with the device and finally making use of all of the space on the screen
- Experimental features. Controlling your iPhone by using your eyes or the Face ID sensor / gestures
- plugging your iPhone into a custom dock and having it run a second screen and accept keyboard and mouse input and having a desktop on the go
- Streaming compatibility with services other than airplay or chromecast. Native chromecast, perhaps
- Adding a “Going out” mode. Disables texts to ex girlfriends unless you solve a math problem
- better control over do not disturb. Ie integrating a calendar and trigger do not disturb during classes for college students instead of on a set schedule
- Connect an iPhone and iPad directly and do interesting things (use iPad as second monitor for iPhone or use iPhone as extra monitor on iPad)
- Add users to iPad, iPhone
- Based on schedule or a lock screen icon, rearrange your icons to different modes (workout mode, home mode)

(I used to develop jailbreak tweaks a few years ago, taken from my reminders list of ideas)
Kind of a power-user thing. Makes sense.

The one about texting an ex is a damn good idea... lol
 
Jailbroken HomePod - listen to music other than Apple Music :p

iirc it uses a simplified version of iOS
 
Out of curiosity is there a way to 'restore' your jailbreak? Lets say you have an iOS 11 device thats jailbroken. Now I want to jailbreak an iOS 12 device. Can I retain all my settings and stuff? I remember that was something that bugged me when I used to jailbreak back in the day. Always had to redo everything. Maybe I missed something though.
Since at least iOS 7 (if not earlier) jailbreak tweak preferences and repos have been stored in iTunes backups. So, if you install updates to tweaks you had previously installed and you've restored from a jailbroken backup previously then your preferences for a tweak will return.

But as far as what tweaks were installed, you need a JB backup tweak. There are a number of those available and I've heard of a current one that will restore every tweak at once.

What are people jailbreaking for these days? I can't find a compelling reason other than customizing the interface which hasn't interested my in awhile.
Convenience.

Callbar lets me make calls from the lockscreen. I can also accept calls or ignore them when using an app because Callbar prevents the phone from taking over the entire screen.

Darkmode as well as a few other tweaks get rid of all the blinding white that Apple is so fond of.

3G Unrestrictor…iCloud backups and App store downloads over cellular.

Etc.
 
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iPhones track your usage to a scary degree. For starters, we could disable that.

If the jailbreak scene was healthier and more accessible we could get professional companies going (for profit) and do some truly exciting things.

Here are a few ideas
- Modifying the system to its core. Completely revamping the UI and having the ability to change how we interact with the device and finally making use of all of the space on the screen
- Experimental features. Controlling your iPhone by using your eyes or the Face ID sensor / gestures
- plugging your iPhone into a custom dock and having it run a second screen and accept keyboard and mouse input and having a desktop on the go
- Streaming compatibility with services other than airplay or chromecast. Native chromecast, perhaps
- Adding a “Going out” mode. Disables texts to ex girlfriends unless you solve a math problem
- better control over do not disturb. Ie integrating a calendar and trigger do not disturb during classes for college students instead of on a set schedule
- Connect an iPhone and iPad directly and do interesting things (use iPad as second monitor for iPhone or use iPhone as extra monitor on iPad)
- Add users to iPad, iPhone
- Based on schedule or a lock screen icon, rearrange your icons to different modes (workout mode, home mode)

(I used to develop jailbreak tweaks a few years ago, taken from my reminders list of ideas)

With everything you just listed, you would kiss the platform being secure “good bye”, and you would welcome the muddled-mess that is Android (and by corollary, the jailbreak scene).

At that point, you might as well buy an Android phone, pop in one of the dozens of iOS themes, and call it a day.
 
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If done by a reputable company I think it could be done securely. Most security flaws are due to malicious tweaks that unsuspecting users (and kids) install from untrusted repositories, and letting users have root access. Inherently it doesn't make the device less secure.

Historically, jailbreaking has even been used to improve security.

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2010/08/...one-to-fix-security-vulnerability-in-ios.html

Of course, I'm speaking of a perfect world, etc etc.

You're actually probably right.
 
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