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Does anyone know of any site or youtube channel bold enough to teardown their new 2020 iMac?

Alternatively does anyone know if apple has released a repair guide for the new models to give a peek into them?

The 2019 iMacs were one of the few Macs to have a publicly available official repair guide that gives you a look inside them

Interested to see if there are any major changes inside the final Intel iMac compared to the 2019 iMac. Soldered SSD is likely, but is there any chance of a somewhat tweaked cooling system? Also wondering if there's a chance that the second bay and connector from the fusion drive era is still present to add a SATA SSD later on for more bulk storage.
 
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Apparently, the SSDs are not soldered, as MacRumors report after getting in contact with someone who has access to the repair manuals:

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Waiting as well, right, iFixit?

Magnus
 
Really hoping for a tweaked cooling system. I believe it’s actually the only thing I’ll let decide if I get the last intel or one of the first AS-computers.

I had a 2019 top tire 3.7 GHz i5 for a brief moment but with a SSD BTO and it was really nice most of the time but fans were spinning up quite a lot Even when I wasn’t pushing it so I returned it.
Also I felt the screen with its large bezels kind of ruined the opportunity for a 2 screen setup so I was actuality hoping for a larger screen, preferably a 32” but since no redesign occurred i’ll have to wait for a tear down and I’d the cooling has improved, then decide if 27” works for me and then order. Have been checking ifixit quite a lot last few days but nothing there, shouldn’t be more than a week I’d think but hopefully since they moved to SSD only I’m really hoping but with no soldered SSD it might mean they just mount it as the SSD BTO’s was mounted but still they have added the T2-chip so there’s at least some work dine inside so fingers crossed.
 
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OP wrote:
"Also wondering if there's a chance that the second bay and connector from the fusion drive era is still present to add a SATA SSD later on for more bulk storage."

It now has a t2 chip.
This means that the SSD is almost certainly soldered in, and no storage expansion options are available "inside the case".
End of story, really.

If you need options by which to expand your storage, they're ALL gonna be "something that plugs into the ports on the back".
 
OP wrote:
"Also wondering if there's a chance that the second bay and connector from the fusion drive era is still present to add a SATA SSD later on for more bulk storage."

It now has a t2 chip.
This means that the SSD is soldered in, and no storage expansion options are available "inside the case".
End of story, really.

If you need options by which to expand your storage, they're ALL gonna be "something that plugs into the ports on the back".

Not true. Both iMac Pro and Mac Pro have T2 chips and flash modules can be replaced (not as easy though as with our beloved SATA and NVMe drives, but possible).

So T2 does not automatically mean soldered drives.

Also, apparently people who had seen the service manual confirm flash not soldered and is replaceable, as corroborated by the macrumors team.

Magnus
 
OWC Teardown:

From that video the cooling system is pretty much unchanged, Fusion Bay and connector gone, and primary SSD is soldered to board at least on the stock configurations.

There are reports that the 4TB and 8TB Custom Order options may have an additional expansion connector with a second SSD in area that the video outlines at 4:57.

Due to T2 chip the second SSD in that connector is likely paired to the motherboard through encryption and there's most likely zero chance of using an m.2 adapter with another drive even if it is not soldered.

Not sure if you could take a genuine Apple SSD board and stick it in the extra expansion connector (on models where it is present), but that would be a pretty niche situation

CPU is still socketed though so DIY bumping up from a 6 core i5 to an 8 core i7 or 10 core i9 could be possible (obviously only for those in the future who are good with disassembly and want a spec bump without buying an entirely new machine).

It is impressive that Apple manages to run all of these components using a 300W power supply unit. In addition to thermal constraints, the maximum wattage of the PSU is another factor that likely limits the allowable boost clock speeds of the GPU and the more powerful CPUs
 
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mbosse wrote:
"Also, apparently people who had seen the service manual confirm flash not soldered and is replaceable, as corroborated by the macrumors team."

Haha.


"In the document, Apple says that the flash storage is indeed affixed to the logic board and cannot be removed. However, for the 4TB and 8TB configurations, Apple says that a flash storage expansion board is attached to a connector on the logic board. In the 256GB, 512GB, 1TB, and 2TB configurations, the expansion board and connector are not present.

Apple adds that the flash storage and logic board are paired together for hardware encryption, so data will be lost if the logic board is replaced. For this reason, it is recommended that customers back up their files on a regular basis."


Fishrrman:
Even if one paid for the 4tb version, "upgrading" to 8tb would be difficult (perhaps impossible) because the t2 chip would "lock out" a replacement drive.
Perhaps Apple repair folks have a utility that can be used to "marry" the t2 to the replaced drive... unknown at this time.

If you already have the 8tb version, there's "nothing to upgrade it to"...
 
From that video the cooling system is pretty much unchanged, Fusion Bay and connector gone, and primary SSD is soldered to board at least on the stock configurations.

There are reports that the 4TB and 8TB Custom Order options may have an additional expansion connector with a second SSD in area that the video outlines at 4:57.

There is no second SSD. There is only one SSD in a T2 implementation. Apple's "SSD Modules" are more accurately labeled "NAND daughtercard". The SSD controller ( the 'brains') are in the the T2 chip. The cards are "dumb". It is just some NAND storage chips and a communication buffer (so that T2 can talk to the chips). Essentially what Apple did was chop what is usually one logic board in a conventional SSD into 2-3 pieces. Pragmatically the "SSD Module" is an internal component to the SSD.

The upside of chopping it into pieces is that if the NAND chips wear out or fail you can replace those chips. The key part of the SSD though ( the controller) is soldered to the board.


Due to T2 chip the second SSD in that connector is likely paired to the motherboard through encryption and there's most likely zero chance of using an m.2 adapter with another drive even if it is not soldered.

Yes that is not a m.2 header. But again it isn't a SSD that a user could connect if that header was present. Only Apple "SSD Modules" would fit.

A bigger problem though is that the size of the space provided for the header (and that there is only one header) suggests that to get to 4 and 8 TB Apple may be doing some hocus pocus and bonding both soldered NAND and daughter board NAND to get to those capacities. Which means if get a failure in the soldered NAND then the board is just as 'toast' as if the header wasn't there at all.

Gobs of space where the 3.5" HDD and they do absolutely nothing with it. Wow, a head shaker.
This is a "shuffle it out the door" system.





Not sure if you could take a genuine Apple SSD board and stick it in the extra expansion connector (on models where it is present), but that would be a pretty niche situation.

It isn't just any board. It would have to 'twin' pair to what was soldered on the logic board.



It is impressive that Apple manages to run all of these components using a 300W power supply unit. In addition to thermal constraints, the maximum wattage of the PSU is another factor that likely limits the allowable boost clock speeds of the GPU and the more powerful CPUs

Impressive is a stretch because the cooling system probably can't handle anything over 300W. AMD's spec list the TDP for the GPUs at 130W . The intel 10 core CPU probably can very easily burst into the 145W range . 300W is a bit weak for the top end BTO components. ( 10GbE will incrementally contribute too. Throw in TB providing power to a couple of external devices . )

Apple could have flipped the fan to the other side of the midline so it soaked up that cavernous, empt 3.5" HDD space. It would have been a bigger fan. ( cut some more inlets ) and gotten to a higher power curve. But no. They dogmatically clinged to the old case design down to the fan mount points.
 
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Apple adds that the flash storage and logic board are paired together for hardware encryption, so data will be lost if the logic board is replaced. For this reason, it is recommended that customers back up their files on a regular basis."





Fishrrman:
Even if one paid for the 4tb version, "upgrading" to 8tb would be difficult (perhaps impossible) because the t2 chip would "lock out" a replacement drive.

The T2 does not "lock out" the replacement module. You can replace the modules in the iMac Pro and Mac Pro. ( Apple even sells the modules for the Mac Pro in the online store. ) There is a replacement procedure.

The data on the T2 drive is encrypted by default. The encryption key to decode that data is inside the T2. If that specific T2 disappears ( i.e., the logic board is replaced ) the ability to get to that encrypted data is gone. That is a different issue than can you bond the SSD Modules to another T2 (and its SSD controller and the new key that it comes up with).

You can't "sneaker net" these modules around to move data. But the modules possibly can be moved . ( If the SSD metadata is also encrypted though putting reset 'old'/'used' modules in a T2 is probably not a best practice. All the knowledge about wear levels and bad "blocks" would get wiped out and that isn't good to throw away midway through the service life of the drive. )



It is probably impossible more so because the two 'modules' that the T2 SSD controller managers come in matching pairs. So if there is 2TB soldered to the board adding a 4TB module would not be a matching pair and the controller would probably reject that as a non supported configuration.
When Apple sells the SSD modules they always come in pairs. And each one of the pair has to go into a specific slot. They aren't just random modules.






Perhaps Apple repair folks have a utility that can be used to "marry" the t2 to the replaced drive... unknown at this time.

Not unknown. You need another Mac and Configurator 2 and a cable to connect them.



I suspect though that Apple isn't going to sell these "loosey single" modules for the iMac . Which one goes with which iMac is not the same as with the Mac Pro ( or iMac Pro). And most of the iMacs sold can't be used at all because no header ( and Apple probably not go ng to want to encourage folks to start soldering away on a "bridge to no where" upgrade path for most iMacs. )
 
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Not true. Both iMac Pro and Mac Pro have T2 chips and flash modules can be replaced (not as easy though as with our beloved SATA and NVMe drives, but possible).

So T2 does not automatically mean soldered drives.

T2 means you don't have drives (plural). There is only one SSD in the context of a T2 chip ( only one SSD controller inside the T2).

This is one of those which part of the elephant is the blindfolded person is grasping situation. The SSD controller ( brains) are soldered to the logic board. If something doesn't like the T2's SSD controller and wants to eject it from the system, then they can't.

If more so just looking at the Flash NAND storage chips from the standpoint of capacity or wear replacement then they are not soldered on the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.

Here Apple appears to have completely muddied the waters. They have both T2 implementation approaches implemented in the same system. And a more than decent change that the 4TB and 8TB capacities are some hodge podge , Rube Goldberg solution due to the lack of board space ( and high lust for higher profit margins). Those are likely half soldered , half not configurations.
 
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T2 means you don't have drives (plural). There is only one SSD in the context of a T2 chip ( only one SSD controller inside the T2).

This is one of those which part of the elephant is the blindfolded person is grasping situation. The SSD controller ( brains) are soldered to the logic board. If something doesn't like the T2's SSD controller and wants to eject it from the system, then they can't.

If more so just looking at the Flash NAND storage chips from the standpoint of capacity or wear replacement then they are not soldered on the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.

Here Apple appears to have completely muddied the waters. They have both T2 implementation approaches implemented in the same system. And a more than decent change that the 4TB and 8TB capacities are some hodge podge , Rube Goldberg solution due to the lack of board space ( and high lust for higher profit margins). Those are likely half soldered , half not configurations.

It will be really interesting to see the teardown.

As it stand now, it looks like a dream fast forward would be an elegant 'clip-on' solution of a TB 3 dock/NVMe SSD adapter like this (note please that the item in the image is a USB Hub, grafted just for illustration):

71eKp3pjkLL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


Magnus
 
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