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noir_et_noir

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Wanted to create thread for everyone who might be in the same boat as I -- made my MBP M1 Max 16" my primary workhorse over 2020 i9 iMac and waiting for monitor new monitor option because I'm not buying a 2016 monitor from 2016 and for the time being the 2 year old pro display xdr.

What are people looking forward to?
 
I have the Ultrafine 5K and am happy with it, but I'd upgrade to an Apple monitor if it have both ProMotion and a better contrast ratio. I'd be happy with something in the 27-32 inch range.
 
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I have the Ultrafine 5K and am happy with it, but I'd upgrade to an Apple monitor if it have both ProMotion and a better contrast ratio. I'd be happy with something in the 27-32 inch range.
I’d be happy as well with the ultrafine 5K especially at that price point but on principle I can’t buy something that came out 6-7 years ago.
 
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I'm desperately waiting on a new Apple monitor. I'm rocking a 21.5" 1080p with my M1 iMac and a 27" 1440p monitor with my 2013 mbp. Every monitor on the market right now is a compromise in some way, and I don't have the courage to get the Apple 32" XDR display. I'd love either an external 24" or 27" Apple display that matches my M1 iMac. The Apple screen combination of retina, True Tone, and high brightness is unbeatable.

For the same price I would rather get a second low end M1 iMac and connect the screens using Teleport than get the LG Ultrafine 5K.
 
Wanted to create thread for everyone who might be in the same boat as I -- made my MBP M1 Max 16" my primary workhorse over 2020 i9 iMac and waiting for monitor new monitor option because I'm not buying a 2016 monitor from 2016 and for the time being the 2 year old pro display xdr.

What are people looking forward to?

Never going to happen so stop waiting1 Look at Tim's actions, he's a numbers guy that chases profits at maximum price throughout his reign!
 
Never going to happen so stop waiting1 Look at Tim's actions, he's a numbers guy that chases profits at maximum price throughout his reign!
First that's not what the rumor mill is saying. Second, are you implying that there's no profits to be had in making a monitor at ~1/2 the cost of the Pro Display XDR?
 
First that's not what the rumor mill is saying. Second, are you implying that there's no profits to be had in making a monitor at ~1/2 the cost of the Pro Display XDR?
Apple is offering the Pro Display XDR (a 32” 6K display) at $6,000 with stand. What lesser product would they be prepared to sell at HALF that price? Bear in mind it needs to be a significantly reduced spec at that price point to avoid completely cannibalising the XDR.

Let’s say it’s a 27” 5K. Is there really a meaningful market of people that would buy that for $3,000 when the LG 5K is $1,300 and Dell sell a 27” 4K for $590 (plus there are probably even cheaper options)? I don’t think so.

I think this is the difficulty Apple faces in this space. What product could they offer and at what price point that would sell in enough volume to make it worth bothering with.
 
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Apple is offering the Pro Display XDR (a 32” 6K display) at $6,000 with stand. What lesser product would they be prepared to sell at HALF that price? Bear in mind it needs to be a significantly reduced spec at that price point to avoid completely cannibalising the XDR.

Let’s say it’s a 27” 5K. Is there really a meaningful market of people that would buy that for $3,000 when the LG 5K is $1,300 and Dell sell a 27” 4K for $590 (plus there are probably even cheaper options)? I don’t think so.

I think this is the difficulty Apple faces in this space. What product could they offer and at what price point that would sell in enough volume to make it worth bothering with.
The Pro Display XDR was released in December 2019, over two years ago. It’s fair to assume that the price of this technology has dropped in that time. This is also evident in the fact that the technology has made its way into the iPad and portable Mac lineups — with the new MacBook Pros often viewed as superior by many (120hz, etc).

It’s also worth noting that Apple has a history of taking their premium feature were and introducing them to more mass market products.

As it relates to how they’ll differentiate these products, there are several options. Introduce a more premium Pro Display XDR (8k, 120hz, etc) at the current price with a 27” 5K or 6k display, 120hz, and reduced pro features. Maybe that means a move away from mini led or pulling other features away from the pro monitors. The idea that a half price 5K or 6k display will significantly cannibalize sales of the Pro Display XDR is disingenuous; most people that purchase it need the color accuracy, ability to edit HDR content, etc. there’s no need for that in the mass market monitors.
 
The Pro Display XDR was released in December 2019, over two years ago. It’s fair to assume that the price of this technology has dropped in that time. This is also evident in the fact that the technology has made its way into the iPad and portable Mac lineups — with the new MacBook Pros often viewed as superior by many (120hz, etc).

It’s also worth noting that Apple has a history of taking their premium feature were and introducing them to more mass market products.

As it relates to how they’ll differentiate these products, there are several options. Introduce a more premium Pro Display XDR (8k, 120hz, etc) at the current price with a 27” 5K or 6k display, 120hz, and reduced pro features. Maybe that means a move away from mini led or pulling other features away from the pro monitors. The idea that a half price 5K or 6k display will significantly cannibalize sales of the Pro Display XDR is disingenuous; most people that purchase it need the color accuracy, ability to edit HDR content, etc. there’s no need for that in the mass market monitors.
The price of the underlying technology isn’t particularly relevant in Apple’s product or pricing strategy. And their past behaviour demonstrates that. The Apple Thunderbolt Display launched in 2011 at $999, and Apple were still selling the exact same screen five years later for the same price.

(And for what it’s worth, even back in 2016 when that display was discontinued there were rumours that Apple were working on a replacement.)

I think what you describe is exactly the problem. Apple could introduce a new XDR model at the current $6k price point and massively reduce the price of the current XDR to a point where it’s affordable for more people. That’s probably what most people want. But is that really realistic? Is there any precedent at all for Apple ever doing such a thing? I just think this is pure fantasy. The other option, as you say, is a new less-premium display at a more affordable price - and that’s what the rumours are. But what product is that? What would be an attractive offering at $3,000 (which is still well into the realm of crazy money for a monitor for almost everyone) that would compare favourably to the established offerings in the market, and is sufficiently differentiated from the XDR, and would sell in enough volume for it to make business sense. And I’m just not sure what that is.

On your point about cannibalising the XDR being disingenuous and “most people that purchase it need the color accuracy…”, you probably don’t actually have that data. But as I look around this and other forums, the indication is that most people buying the XDR are doing it because it’s a really good, large display, and because it’s an Apple display. Surely some buy it for color accuracy etc but not sure you can evidence that it’s “most”. And therefore cannibalisation is a potential issue. It’s tough to argue that a cheaper lesser Apple display wouldn’t eat into at least some XDR sales.

You finish by talking about a “mass market monitor”. A $3,000 monitor is very far from a mass market monitor.
 
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The price of the underlying technology isn’t particularly relevant in Apple’s product or pricing strategy. And their past behaviour demonstrates that. The Apple Thunderbolt Display launched in 2011 at $999, and Apple were still selling the exact same screen five years later for the same price.

(And for what it’s worth, even back in 2016 when that display was discontinued there were rumours that Apple were working on a replacement.)

I think what you describe is exactly the problem. Apple could introduce a new XDR model at the current $6k price point and massively reduce the price of the current XDR to a point where it’s affordable for more people. That’s probably what most people want. But is that really realistic? Is there any precedent at all for Apple ever doing such a thing? I just think this is pure fantasy. The other option, as you say, is a new less-premium display at a more affordable price - and that’s what the rumours are. But what product is that? What would be an attractive offering at $3,000 (which is still well into the realm of crazy money for a monitor for almost everyone) that would compare favourably to the established offerings in the market, and is sufficiently differentiated from the XDR, and would sell in enough volume for it to make business sense. And I’m just not sure what that is.

On your point about cannibalising the XDR being disingenuous and “most people that purchase it need the color accuracy…”, you probably don’t actually have that data. But as I look around this and other forums, the indication is that most people buying the XDR are doing it because it’s a really good, large display, and because it’s an Apple display. Surely some buy it for color accuracy etc but not sure you can evidence that it’s “most”. And therefore cannibalisation is a potential issue. It’s tough to argue that a cheaper lesser Apple display wouldn’t eat into at least some XDR sales.

You finish by talking about a “mass market monitor”. A $3,000 monitor is very far from a mass market monitor.
Differences of opinion and I’m not particularly interested in going back and forth. Let’s revisit this discussion when the new monitors are released ?
 
Desperately waiting for a 32-34" 8k option to run true 4k Retina. The only current option is Dell's UP3218K (going on 5 years old!) which isn't really feasible since it requires tiling two DP1.2 connections together in order to get 60hz, and Apple's 3rd party tiling support is non-existent.
 
Introduce a more premium Pro Display XDR (8k, 120hz, etc) at the current price with a 27” 5K or 6k display, 120hz, and reduced pro features.
Honestly if Apple released an 8K120hz display I'd probably be willing to fork over 2x the current price of the XDR, and I'd do it in a heartbeat. And realistically there's a market for that because there are literally NO available options at this time. Plenty of pro's out there who spend far too much of their life looking at a screen to worry about a few thousand.
 
forrestwhite:
"I'm also in this camp, waiting patiently for a new Apple monitor and checking the rumour sites daily in hopes for a glimmer of possibility."

As I said above...
"Waiting for Godot..."
 
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