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There is no shortage of criticisms related to Apple's software and hardware; rightly so, as there is always room to improve. Here, though, I'd like to hear what you love about the work all of these engineers, designers, programmers, and other experts have done to date.

What makes you choose these products? What specific things make you smile a nerdy smile and admire the work that went into making all of these devices, programs, and operating systems a reality?

I don't mean for this to be a thread about why Apple products are better than the competition. I'm not looking to fly the Apple flag in the unending battlefields of fanboy forums. I only say Apple products, since this is an Apple-related forum, and I primarily use Apple products, but if you have details about non-Apple products you'd like to highlight, then I'd love to hear those too!

So, what do you love? What did someone you'll never meet work to make a reality that you truly appreciate and cherish?

What do the rest of us not notice? What do we all see but take for granted? What makes you excited about all this tech?

What do you love?
 
The thing that inspired this post was the generally clean and polished UX of macOS.

I'm sitting here with a big monitor, looking at just two windows open on a simple background. The rounded corners, the simple interface, and the general polish on every little aspect of this operating system and the way it presents applications and settings is beautiful.

A lot of thought and care goes into this operating system, and it shows (lots to improve too, don't get me wrong).

Thinking back to MS DOS as a kid, it's a wonder how far operating systems have come in such a short time. Function and power, of course, but the simple aesthetic of macOS is something I sometimes stop and simply admire. Not even really doing anything, I just like to appreciate how elegant this presentation of 1s and 0s has become.

Beautiful.

Edit: I asked for specifics, and didn't include specifics in my own response...

Specifically, I love the little tweaks and secret options within macOS. When you hold the Option key in many menus, or when pressing a button, there are often more options for both functionality and customization that aren't otherwise available. Finding those over they years has always been great – like finding an easter egg in a video game.
 
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Hi,
I like the polish and clean look.
I like the hardware (mb pro)

I like it's not windows: I don't hate Windows, but I work on Windows, so, when I'm closing my work computer at the end of the day, and open my macbook, I'm smiling. Especially since covid19 when we were at home 24/7. (during Covid I was using Fedora+Gnome for this purpose, so macos was the natural continuation when I had money)

I like the ecosystem integration: copy paste between devices, and airdrop.

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of everything (I've replaced native cmd-tab by altTab, and the native windows tiling could be better; I've used rectangle for an amount of time). But the overall experience is quite good.

Mail is a bit outdated, Safari too, but I try to stick with them. I have a mixed feeling about finder. I've replaced terminal by iTerm2 for a better customization.

I like Spotlight.

I like the pdf handling.
I like the dynamic wallpapers.

Stage manager... at the beginning I was amazed, after a few months I was fed up, now I'm using it sometimes, depending on my workflow.

I like the fact we have some autonomy (brew !), and I like the fact that the security is quite good by default, and the fact that Xprotect is doing his job quietly.

And that's it, I think.
 
Hi,
I like the polish and clean look.
I like the hardware (mb pro)

I like it's not windows: I don't hate Windows, but I work on Windows, so, when I'm closing my work computer at the end of the day, and open my macbook, I'm smiling. Especially since covid19 when we were at home 24/7. (during Covid I was using Fedora+Gnome for this purpose, so macos was the natural continuation when I had money)

I like the ecosystem integration: copy paste between devices, and airdrop.

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of everything (I've replaced native cmd-tab by altTab, and the native windows tiling could be better; I've used rectangle for an amount of time). But the overall experience is quite good.

Mail is a bit outdated, Safari too, but I try to stick with them. I have a mixed feeling about finder. I've replaced terminal by iTerm2 for a better customization.

I like Spotlight.

I like the pdf handling.
I like the dynamic wallpapers.

Stage manager... at the beginning I was amazed, after a few months I was fed up, now I'm using it sometimes, depending on my workflow.

I like the fact we have some autonomy (brew !), and I like the fact that the security is quite good by default, and the fact that Xprotect is doing his job quietly.

And that's it, I think.
I completely agree on most of what you called out.

There are areas where Apple falls short, but, thankfully, there are lots of third party options which slot perfectly into the Apple ecosystem.

A few recommendations, based on the things you called out:
  • Bentobox is a great window manager; I flip between that and Rectangle Pro
  • ForkLift is a pretty cool Finder alternative; I've tried a few, and this one is nice and polished
  • Alfred is a supercharged and customizable Spotlight alternative
I haven't been able to find a solid alternative to Mail, other than Outlook...
 
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the only ♡i have is using the macbook air 2010 or MBP'13" 2012m
that still is working great with snow leopard and sealion web browser
everything else is great since i dont icloud anymore!
that new 2023 usbC iPad is okay but not as good as the 2017 model.
 
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the only ♡i have is using the macbook air 2010 or MBP'13" 2012m
that still is working great with snow leopard and sealion web browser
everything else is great since i dont icloud anymore!
that new 2023 usbC ipod is okay but not as good as the 2017 model.
I’ve never heard of sealion - I’m going to check it out, thanks!
 
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I love the way my iPhone, Watch, iPad, and Mac Mini work together. I create a lot of Word and Excel documents on my Mac, and they're readily available, using Files, on my iPhone and iPad.

And yesterday I discovered that I can import kmz files into Google Earth on my iPad Pro. Awesome.
 
I’ve never heard of sealion - I’m going to check it out, thanks!
i always make THIS mistake, SNOWlion....im using snowlion
i typed that name wrong probably seven times on these threads last year here.....

selion is for mountain lion which make sense...

nice thread tho, we are kinda like bad angry card players in 1950's moives here at times
 
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None of the above.

I think MacOS lacks polish where it matters - superficials don't interest me and MacOS is lacking so much at core when it comes to even semi-power-users. Also, I've preferred the design language of Windows since 8 and that hasn't changed for it - it's far more to the point.

While the MacOS host hardware is among the best looking, most overtly styled when it comes to the user experience and the most quiet at Facebook idle, I consider every single one of them underengineered and not really suitable for anything that serious.

I could think of at least 4 other non-iOS phones right now (including two that I own) which offer a more useful standalone experience than an iPhone, and iOS is basically Android with a lobotomy.

The Airpods are not class-leading in terms of sound or ANC.

Same goes for the Homepods sound-wise. Siri is still the dumbest of the assistants still around.

The Apple TV is adequate, as is Carplay.

The Watch is eh, again as a standalone component. I stopped updating my stash after using it as a glorified volume control for half a decade.

You got me on the iPads though - simply because Apple has annihilated worthwhile competition and every other entrant bar Samsung has fully-to-semi thrown in the towel.


The reason I buy Apple however is simple. And it's getting truer every day actually as I buy more of what they roll out. The ecosystem - it's actually an ecosystem. As someone with multiples of everything including homes, cars and computers it's something that can't be ignored. I think most people don't actually appreciate the extent to which Apple's lead extends here, because they are usually focused on the supposed merits of a particular device in the ecosystem.


The Apple acosystem is a lot like me. I'm not the best at anything in particular, but it's what I bring to the table in the combination of everything that I can do that makes me superior to most as a complete package, not just in my native finance field but elsewhere. Where I would fall apart is when you expect me to be really good at one particular skill - and that's what makes me what I am, i.e. someone who spends most of their time telling lots of other people what to do.

Every other so-called ecosystem is a lot like people. There may be some very smart people out there who may be the best at the particular thing they do, but when you put lots of ostensibly perfectly functional or even brilliant people together towards a diverse goal, things kind of start to fall apart. Integration becomes an exercise in micromanagement and joined-up thinking often has to be forcibly mashed together.


Collective mediocrity as a benefit, just as long as they actually do talk to one another and share a defined goal. Lessons for life?
 
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None of the above.
I agree  has gotten greedy lately and too icloud infused as OS Monterrey has gotten worse in 2024 than 2023.
my zenbook out-performs my MBAm1 big time and i can use other music programs & devices for better sound than .

BUT
we are supposed to say what we like or LOVE about os only on this thread.
 
I agree  has gotten greedy lately and too icloud infused as OS Monterrey has gotten worse in 2024 than 2023.
my zenbook out-performs my MBAm1 big time and i can use other music programs & devices for better sound than .

BUT
we are supposed to say what we like or LOVE about os only on this thread.
reading skill issue

however too lazy to do a tl;dr after dropping that wall of text for those who only read the first paragraph
 
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None of the above.

I think MacOS lacks polish where it matters - superficials don't interest me and MacOS is lacking so much at core when it comes to even semi-power-users. Also, I've preferred the design language of Windows since 8 and that hasn't changed for it - it's far more to the point.

While the MacOS host hardware is among the best looking, most overtly styled when it comes to the user experience and the most quiet at Facebook idle, I consider every single one of them underengineered and not really suitable for anything that serious.

I could think of at least 4 other non-iOS phones right now (including two that I own) which offer a more useful standalone experience than an iPhone, and iOS is basically Android with a lobotomy.

The Airpods are not class-leading in terms of sound or ANC.

Same goes for the Homepods sound-wise. Siri is still the dumbest of the assistants still around.

The Apple TV is adequate, as is Carplay.

The Watch is eh, again as a standalone component. I stopped updating my stash after using it as a glorified volume control for half a decade.

You got me on the iPads though - simply because Apple has annihilated worthwhile competition and every other entrant bar Samsung has fully-to-semi thrown in the towel.


The reason I buy Apple however is simple. And it's getting truer every day actually as I buy more of what they roll out. The ecosystem - it's actually an ecosystem. As someone with multiples of everything including homes, cars and computers it's something that can't be ignored. I think most people don't actually appreciate the extent to which Apple's lead extends here, because they are usually focused on the supposed merits of a particular device in the ecosystem.


The Apple acosystem is a lot like me. I'm not the best at anything in particular, but it's what I bring to the table in the combination of everything that I can do that makes me superior to most as a complete package, not just in my native finance field but elsewhere. Where I would fall apart is when you expect me to be really good at one particular skill - and that's what makes me what I am, i.e. someone who spends most of their time telling lots of other people what to do.

Every other so-called ecosystem is a lot like people. There may be some very smart people out there who may be the best at the particular thing they do, but when you put lots of ostensibly perfectly functional or even brilliant people together towards a diverse goal, things kind of start to fall apart. Integration becomes an exercise in micromanagement and joined-up thinking often has to be forcibly mashed together.


Collective mediocrity as a benefit, just as long as they actually do talk to one another and share a defined goal. Lessons for life?
I don’t agree with much of that, but I appreciate the thoughtful response and the effort you put into engaging in the conversation without a flamethrower. 👍
 
I don’t agree with much of that
I wouldn't expect most to. Hence what I said.

It is interesting though that what Apple does undeniably best (and the sole reason for my buy-in) is what most of its userbase don't actually experience in any meaningful way. But that itself is, I guess, an aspirational aspect on it's own.
 
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i love the older functions  used to include like the battery time as i have 1h31min left on the mba2010
snow leopard is still very responsive and can surf the internets depending on the site which still visualizes everything.
some how fox news com works perfectly on the mba10 while the site is blocked on mba m1 Monterrey due to ad blocking i also love that i can use an older macbook today.
as far as stylish aspect of the siver that  uses in theier prducts is very elegant!
also i can reformat my macbook airs and use migration to install programs instead of download them again.
 
Migration Assistant; namely, the ability to move applications as well as files and settings to a new machine. The early decision Apple made (when OS X was developed from NEXTstep) to engineer applications as bundles made this possible.

Try doing that on any other operating system and it’s just not possible.
 
I wouldn't expect most to. Hence what I said.

It is interesting though that what Apple does undeniably best (and the sole reason for my buy-in) is what most of its userbase don't actually experience in any meaningful way. But that itself is, I guess, an aspirational aspect on it's own.

Um who in the Apple community doesn't experience the ecosystem in a meaningful way? Or did I not understand your point here. The rest of what you wrote, you think individual aspects of Apple design falls short, agree to disagree, but you laud the ecosystem as THE reason to buy in. Then seem to say most don't experience it? Elaborate please.
 
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I love how boring stuff is. All my stuff just works. I sit down, I do something, it is done. Just how I like it.

I write software occasionally. This is pretty hard to achieve. It's the application of the slightly humorous 90-90 rule. Most vendors do the first 90% of the product development. Apple do the other 90% as well 😀
 
The extraordinarily well-polished UI, esp. macOS and iPadOS.

It's easy to get lulled into not realizing how good it is, until you try Windows and Android and realize how clunky and even maddening their UIs are.

Apple falls short in plenty of other ways, but UX look-and-feel isn't one of them.
 
Um who in the Apple community doesn't experience the ecosystem in a meaningful way? Or did I not understand your point here. The rest of what you wrote, you think individual aspects of Apple design falls short, agree to disagree, but you laud the ecosystem as THE reason to buy in. Then seem to say most don't experience it? Elaborate please.
I don't need to elaborate. I mean what I said - most people don't have enough components for the joined-up working to actually make a meaningful difference over a lesser ecosystem-ish experience.
 
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I love my bulky, heavy but super polished, 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro beast. Every time I pull it out of my backpack and plop it down on a table to work my first three thoughts are: 1) Damn this is heavy and bulky; 2) but I absolutely love the polished feel in my hand (yes, despite complaining about its heft and bulk, I routinely handle it with one hand); and 3) goodness, I love this display and the elegance of macOS Sequoia.

I love my 13” M4 iPad Pro. I love the premium build quality, lightness and thinness and the polished feel in my hands. I love the gorgeous display and the liquid performance. I love the elegant, intuitive and uncluttered UX enabled by iPadOS. I love Safari on iPadOS — it just works for all of the sites I frequent. I love the note taking experience with NotePlan on iPadOS — it’s the most used app on my iPad and helps me to organize my thoughts and business and personal worlds.

I love my iPhone. My 13 mini is my all time favorite — the build quality and one hand operation are peak iPhone in my opinion; however I’m quickly starting to catch feelings for my new iPhone 16 despite the larger size.

I love my Apple Watch Ultra — full day battery life even with using it as my only device for a full day of hiking or mountain biking and it’s great health tracking features. I love my 2 AppleTV 4Ks and 2 pairs of OG HomePods that are still going strong and rocking with zero issues after nearly 7 years. I love Apple Music and Apple Music 1 (formerly Beats 1) and the fresh, worthwhile music it introduces me to regularly.

I love AppleOne, iCloud and the hardware and software integration between these three devices and how all my core apps work almost seamlessly across all devices. The exceptions are the Microsoft apps I’m forced to use which seem to deliberately try to defy/break macOS, iOS and iPadOS conventions.

All of this is possible because Apple employees sweat the details to make this complicated ecosystem of billions of devices work for hundreds of millions of users every day. There are shortfalls of course, but the fact that these systems operate without major hiccups the vast majority of the time for so many people is downright magical.

I love Apple and Apple employees for making the part of my life that I trust them with better. 🙏🏽
 
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Ok, let's do this. First of all, some background: I am an owner of a 16" MBP with a 12-Core M3 Pro CPU, 36 GB of RAM, and 512 GB SSD. I represent a non-typical type (I guess) of a somewhat power-user. Non-typical because I don't deal with workloads related with intensive graphics/video processing or AI/LLM tasks, yet I really need high-enough multi-core performance because I develop optimization code for next-generation wireless communication networks and run simulations (that often are really intensive) using parallel computing to simultaneously utilize all P- and E-cores. I also own an old MBA 13" 8 GB / 256 GB (Late 2013). I have used in the past Windows PCs for many years (and I hate the latest Windows version with passion) and I exclusively use Android phones (IMHO, Android is miles above iOS the last many years and a high-end Android phone is a much better machine than the latest iPhone -- but this is another discussion for another thread).

Let's start from the hardware - and I am talking exclusively for laptops here, since this is the area I am familiar with. Everything boils down into one word: experience. I love the experience. Please let me elaborate. My MBP provides performance which is faster than most typical users would ever need and satisfying for most more-intensive-than-typical workloads (like mine). The machine feels snappy when I am running simulations and at the same time I have 100 tabs open on the browser and a few other apps are running (from LaTeX, PowerPoint, Word and PDFs - with 10s of documents open in each one of them - to Facebook and whatever). At the same time, the laptop remains dead-silent and cool and its battery lasts longer than I would ever need. So after only a few generations of M-Series SoCs, we have CPUs that are not only impressive in terms of power efficiency (performance/Watt), but they are also very good in terms of absolute performance (much better than the majority of the competition in the Windows PC realm actually) while maintaining low fan noise, low temperature, and long battery life! On top of that, the screen is a gem (amazing brightness, amazing whites, 100% color gamut etc.), the speakers and the trackpad are the best out there, the build quality is top-notch, and the keyboard is really good (not the best out there, but really good - it is closer to my tastes than most others, but it is not perfect, and I certainly understand why some people don't like it). Everything - from watching a movie or YouTube videos to listening to music and from browsing with 100 tabs open to running simulations utilizing all 12 CPU cores - feels snappy and effortless.

Moving into the software (the other important aspect of what makes the user experience good), I love macOS - with all its flaws. I like its sleek and minimal design/its aesthetics, of course. But more importantly: I love the concept of the menu bar (having on top the menu of your application, which adapts to each and every one application). I love having apps as icons on the menu bar too. I love the extra capabilities that the Option modifier key gives you. I love the tight integration of the OS with key shortcuts and trackpad gestures - really simplify and accelerates things. I love the "drag-and-drop" logic behind the OS - essentially, you can drag-and-drop pretty-much everything everywhere, and when you realize that, your life becomes simpler and better (it took me a while). I love the consistency across the OS (Windows Systems Settings, this is for you) - with one exception: the inconsistency between the actual file manager and the pop-up file manager window when you try to "Save as...". I love (as opposed to many) the Finder as a file management system, I much prefer it over its Windows counterpart which I believe tries too hard/overcomplicates things in its effort to be more advanced and for that reason fails. For me, having the ability to drag-and-drop my most often used folders to the side panel, open new tabs, use column view, group or sort (Option key is your friend again!) files in column view, add the path at the bottom, and rename a group of files using index or count number is more than enough. Windows tilling is not that good as in Windows, but for my needs, it is more than fine. Spotlight is very powerful (and much better than Windows search - but then again, what isn't?). And then there are small things - the ability to automatically group files in the Desktop by category (e.g. screenshots) etc., which are probably present in Windows too. Other small things that in my opinion were missing or there were not to my liking or small problems, I solved them with apps/utilities (e.g. AltTab, Aldente, etc.), most of which are free or low-price (a few bucks). I also love that today there are apps where you can create an ecosystem between your Mac and your Android devices (from file transfer like AirDrop to Continuity), so I don't feel that I really miss something from not using iPhone. Also, I certainly enjoy the fact that I have never experienced a lag or a BSoD or a forced OS update or had to deal with bloatware and ads etc. And I love the support for the last macOS that the machines have for 7 years. Given that any 5-10 years most people are bying a new laptop, it is OK.

What I dislike is that in few cases, macOS seems to suggest that it knows better than the user - you can find this irritating behavior in a couple of places.

Overall, the combination of hardware + software with the above characteristics makes for a very enjoyable user experience. This is not my previous... experience with Windows PC: many crashes, long loading times (even in File manager, when I had to deal with large files, I had to wait to load!), constant forced updates (often at the worst times), many laptops that lasted less than a year or about 1.5 year, high temperatures, high fan noise, low battery life, mediocre performance, and me feeling fighting against the machine at the end of the day... To be fair, the situation lately is much better than what I described above in the Windows laptops world, yet many issues remain and, frankly, I feel that Windows laptops have somewhat closed the gap with M-series MBPs (and MBAs), but they are not really there yet. The direct competitors at this level of quality and performance are not less expensive, yet they are arguably worse in almost every key aspect (power efficiency/battery life, fan noise, temperature), typically with only marginally better or even slightly worse absolute performance (I am talking multi-core here, in single-core more often than not M-series SoCs are better anyway), worse trackpad, and at the best scenario in favor of Windows PCs, with comparable screens (OLED vs. Mini-LED -- I prefer the latter, probably I am a minority) and with comparable speakers (often worse). But even then, they come with Windows - which are a no-go!

Furthermore, there is nowadays a trend of using SoCs in Windows laptops as well, so more and more RAM upgradeability is not possible even in the Windows laptop domain.

To sum up, the MBP for me is a poweful, efficient, and robust machine which comes with an OS that solves more problems than it creates, simplifies my life and makes for an enjoyable user experience. I know that I will use it for many more years without a problem.

What I hate in the current landscape are the high configuration prices. And OK, for RAM I somehow get it, because we are not talking about SO-DIMM modules here, there are technical reasons why it is expensive (although even here it is more expensive than it should), but on the SSD side, 200 USD for 256 GB of storage in 2024 is laughable. External SSDs could be a workaround, especially in a few years given that M4 Pros and above come with TB4 ports, but it is not an ideal solution (for a desktop it is ok, but for a laptop it is not the best solution). Fortunatelly, for my needs, 512 GB - 1 TB of SSD is enough; but in general, the pricing scheme is not good.

I also hate the product segmentation strategy: after all the upgrades in RAM and perhaps minor updates in storage, you are typically only 100 USD below the next tier which is usually a far better option. This pushes you to the next level, but then you start again the whole "let's upgrade" thing and so on and so forth...

What I would like to see/ what I am missing? Over the last many years, each new macOS release is nothing more than a minor update. The tight integration of hardware and software in Macs gives the opportunity for much more. I would love to see, for example, at least a good fraction of the customization that is offered by KDE Plasma 6 (which is amazing by the way) - at least at the Appearance side of things. I wouldn't say no also to something like the start menu (the only thing I am missing from Windows - when implemented correctly, as in earlier versions of Windows, it is very useful). The Launchpad is not the same thing.

If you made it until here, you are a hero and you deserve the best in life! :)
 
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I am still using Intel macs, and have not updated to the latest macOS, even if it is supported. I have one mac mini M1, loaded with music connected to my 5.1 surround system.

The fact that macOS lets me choose, when and what to update is very much appreciated. I use Win10 as well, but the regular forced updates annoys me.
I also like that macOS is very much a unix system. And the desktop environment is a pleasure to use.

Having built all my PCs in the past, I very much love how Apple built the desktop macs, even the iMac Pro.
And the Mac Pro 2019 is a work of art.
The retina displays with P3 colour are stunning. The red and green colours are way better than the IPS LCD I had/have.

My iPad Pros are also favoured by me. And I never liked laptops. The touch interface is great, even if it has fingerprints all over. This is my preferred gadget for reading documents. The A4 format is perfect. And a must whenever I travel.

To top it off, it is great how well the Apple products are integrated and function together.
I do not have anything to complain about, with my Apple products. I accept their limitations, and chose the ones that I really wanted to have 🥰

I almost forgot. The LIDAR on my iPhone 15 Pro Max. It is magical how one can scan a 3D scene/object and even view it on the phone.
 
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