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What GPU will the 2012 MBPs have?

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that1guyy

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I think its more likely that Apple will stick with AMD than go with Nvidia right? Is it safe to say we'll get a 7000 series card? I don't know too much about gpus to be honest, but do you think what we'll get is going to be a significant improvement over the current ones. Any chance of the 7900 series in the new mbps?

I was looking at the iMac, and when I customize my order from the online store, I can get much more goodies, in terms of processor, graphics, storage, and RAM than I get on a high end customized macbook pro for a few hundred dollars less. its a shame portability is so important for me. I hope they have a higher end card in the new ones for all that money.

Thoughts please?
 
LOL

7700M is the best one can hope for.
TDP is heat is physics. You cannot defeat the laws of physics no matter how much money you throw at it.
Just look at notebookcheck.com any GPU that has much more than 30W TDP won't show in a MBP of the current design. With a redesign that number will go down more likely than not to around ~20W.
A >75W TDP GPU like a 7900M lol.
 
It will also be water cooled and have space for a second GPU for an SLI configuration.
 
rockyroad55 said:
NVIDIA GTX 560Ti
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That card looks pretty impressive after a quick google search. I don't know how likely it is the MBP gets them though..

dusk007 said:
LOL

7700M is the best one can hope for.
TDP is heat is physics. You cannot defeat the laws of physics no matter how much money you throw at it.
Just look at notebookcheck.com any GPU that has much more than 30W TDP won't show in a MBP of the current design. With a redesign that number will go down more likely than not to around ~20W.
A >75W TDP GPU like a 7900M lol.
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Like I said, I don't know much about GPUs so that pretty much made no sense to me. Are you saying if Apple makes the MBP slimmer the graphics will be even less powerful? I want a better card, not a worse one.

SDAVE said:
It will also be water cooled and have space for a second GPU for an SLI configuration.
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No idea what means. What are the benefits of having two gpus over one?

NutsNGum said:
Intel HD4000.

That is all.
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Those are integrated graphics right? I hope to hell you're wrong. Apple wouldn't stab hardcore users in the back would they?
 
that1guyy said:
That card looks pretty impressive after a quick google search. I don't know how likely it is the MBP gets them though..
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Exactly 0%. This is a desktop GPU which alone uses more power than two MBPs under full load together.

You won't get a better GPU. The best one can hope for is the 7XXX equivalents of the 6750 & 6770 GPUs. Since ATI didn't upgrade those GPUs to the new 28nm technology, essentially you will have the same chips in a slightly improved layout.

This of course only if there is no radical re-design that removes the discrete GPUs from all MBPs.
 
that1guyy said:
Those are integrated graphics right? I hope to hell you're wrong. Apple wouldn't stab hardcore users in the back would they?
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Where you been? Apple put an iGPU in the MBP13 almost a year ago.

So yeah... the entire lineup will most likely go that way. How else will it get any thinner?
 
Well that's a damn shame. I really like the Mac OS, but stuff like this is making want to stick to Windows.

I really hope they don't downgrade the 15" and 17" graphics.

also, what about these?
GeForce GTX 580M
GeForce GTX 570M
GeForce GTX 560M

They're notebook gpus and seem pretty powerful. Can the mbps handle that?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html
 
If a crazy GPU is your thing, then stick with PCs. They're usually ahead. You will however have a tradeoff between the form factor of the laptop,,,

Thin laptops= Slower GPUs
Thick laptops= Faster GPUs.

Most people were just being sarcastic here.

You're asking a question that only Apple engineers/designers who are working in Cupertino know the answer.
 
that1guyy said:
Well that's a damn shame. I really like the Mac OS, but stuff like this is making want to stick to Windows.

I really hope they don't downgrade the 15" and 17" graphics.

also, what about these?
GeForce GTX 580M
GeForce GTX 570M
GeForce GTX 560M

They're notebook gpus and seem pretty powerful. Can the mbps handle that?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html
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No way. Look at all the laptops those appear in, and note how all of them are thick and weigh as much as 4 pounds heavier. The TDP is too high, the heat output is too high, and Apple won't make their Macbook Pros thinner.

Once chips get on a smaller process, we'll see this level of performance, yes, but relative to other higher-end and lower-end GPUs, not much would change.

SDAVE said:
Thin laptops= Slower GPUs
Thick laptops= Faster GPUs.
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This is pretty much it.
 
murdercitydevil said:
Judging by every single GPU Apple has used in MBPs for the past few years...something underpowered and out of date, but still "good enough."
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The 6570/6770 M graphics cards are actually pretty good, performance-wise, and especially considering most of the ones above them are generally 'really-thick-gaming-computer' exclusive.
 
Gata said:
The 6570/6770 M graphics cards are actually pretty good, performance-wise, and especially considering most of the ones above them are generally 'really-thick-gaming-computer' exclusive.
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Yup, an OC'ed 6750M 1GB can run BF3 at medium/high settings at 40fps.
 
Well based off all this, I just hope Apple at least gives us the 7000 series equivalent of the 6750 for the 15inch.
 
A 7750M/7770M is probably the best bet. Probably 5-10% higher performance than now, at a guess.

Just remember, Apple have traditionally used GPUs with a TDP of less than 25W, and CPUs at 35W. I believe X1600, 8600M, 9600M and 330M GPUs were all around 23W.

2011 broke that trend. The 6750M/6770M are around 35W I believe, and the CPUs are 45W. I think the graphics switching technology Apple uses (and Intel's better CPU throttling) have allowed this, while keeping high battery life.

There is no engineering reason why Apple couldn't go higher than this. But they won't. Putting a better, higher power draw GPU in it means much noisier, more expensive, and harder on the battery. And most people don't want that.
 
I just thought about a nice name for a MBP with desktop GPU:

The MacBook Airblade

- the only laptop with built-in blow dryer
- heats your room in minutes - just watch a flash video
 
I heard the underside will have the dark gray liquid metal color (for those that had been craving for it) but is actually made of teflon for non-stick egg frying.

Nevertheless, if Apple can manage to give us a 7750M in a slightly thinner enclosure (or hopefully the same current thickness) but with fair thermal management, I'd call it a win!
 
Erasmus said:
A 7750M/7770M is probably the best bet. Probably 5-10% higher performance than now, at a guess.

Just remember, Apple have traditionally used GPUs with a TDP of less than 25W, and CPUs at 35W. I believe X1600, 8600M, 9600M and 330M GPUs were all around 23W.

2011 broke that trend. The 6750M/6770M are around 35W I believe, and the CPUs are 45W. I think the graphics switching technology Apple uses (and Intel's better CPU throttling) have allowed this, while keeping high battery life.

There is no engineering reason why Apple couldn't go higher than this. But they won't. Putting a better, higher power draw GPU in it means much noisier, more expensive, and harder on the battery. And most people don't want that.
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Yep, going to be Intel Integrated HD 4000 + AMD 7750/7770M, which are basically just OC'd versions of the current GPUs in the MBP lineup.
 
28nm processes will reduce heat and power consumption enough to put a 670M or a 7790M in the next gen, assuming current thickness doesn't change.
 
Intel HD 4000 looks pretty good for a integrated card! Well, at least from the demo...

Hopefully a step up from the HD 3000 which was in turn a step down from the 320m.
 
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