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Hi, in the past some mentioned that the Dell XPS series is the Windows version of MacBook Pro. In the past I saw them on local BestBuy and Costco but not anymore. What happened?
 
Dell XPS series is the Windows version of MacBook Pro.
I've never heard that, and Dell's reputation has ebbed and flowed through the years

Dell has disconinuted the XPS line, which is probably why you cannot find it. Bestbuy and Costco still sells Dell laptops.
 
In my experience, DELL often stand for low quality at high price.
They used to be good quality at a good price- not anymore and I thin not for quite some time.

I bought my daughter a Dell Inspiron for college, because that's what the college recommended for her major. The laptop felt cheap and had issues from day one. I bought a Thinkpad T14S, last november to replace her dell, everything about the Thinkpad screamed quality. Oddly enough, once we got the problems resolved my daughter didn't want to replace her dell in the middle of the semester - to risky in her mind. Now she has a laptop that won't charge from the included charger and two USB ports don't work. The USB-C drive does work, and that's how she charges it. I'm expecting her to take the thinkpad come August.
 
There are still some in the channel. I always like them, and agreed, one of the closest to the MBP. The XPS series felt good, and works well, got great driver support. And has similar quality options and screen, and trackpads that don't make you cry.

Dell seems to have adjusted their naming to just Dell, Dell Pro and Dell Pro Max. I wonder where they got that idea…
 
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Went to a local BestBuy, could not find any laptop from DELL. Those on displays were mainly ASUS, MSI, Lenovo, MS, LG, etc. Same as Costco.
 
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Went to a local BestBuy, could not find any laptop from DELL. Those on displays were mainly ASUS, MSI, Lenovo, MS, LG, etc. Same as Costco.
Just go to bestbuy.com and you see they're still selling them

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In my experience, DELL often stand for low quality at high price.

They used to have consumer and business lines and the business lines were good and they supported them for a long time. I have not bought any of their systems since 2008. I do really like their Ultrasharp monitors.

I think that HP started the race to the bottom in terms of quality around 2005 and Dell followed them to be competitive.
 
I was a Dell fan in the early days. That’s also what I used at work. I agree with others saying the quality has declined. I think they renamed their lines as well?

My wife currently has a personal owned Dell laptop plus a HP issued from work. My company also transitioned to HP several years ago. Once she needs a replacement, I’d like to switch her to a MacBook, but I don’t think that will happen. Aside from learning a new OS and dealing with compatibility challenges with Windows, one requirement she is inflexible on is a full keyboard, including number pad. The only Apple device she uses is her iPhone, which I essentially forced her to switch to. She has used an iPad at a previous job, while we were still using Windows and Android devices.
 
I was a Dell fan in the early days. That’s also what I used at work. I agree with others saying the quality has declined. I think they renamed their lines as well?

My wife currently has a personal owned Dell laptop plus a HP issued from work. My company also transitioned to HP several years ago. Once she needs a replacement, I’d like to switch her to a MacBook, but I don’t think that will happen. Aside from learning a new OS and dealing with compatibility challenges with Windows, one requirement she is inflexible on is a full keyboard, including number pad. The only Apple device she uses is her iPhone, which I essentially forced her to switch to. She has used an iPad at a previous job, while we were still using Windows and Android devices.

I bought a wired USB numeric keypad recently. It has blue switches so it's noisy and feel and feedback are excellent and the keys are lit. These are great if you need one to go along with your MacBook or you need one from time to time but normally use a ten-keyless keyboard. If you enter a lot of numbers, these keypads can be really great as you can enter stuff faster and with better precision with an external number pad.
 
I used to like Dell XPS laptops, owned multiple ones.

The last two had build quality issues, ports dying and one even a battery bloating - I never had on another personal or from work laptop before or since. From what I've seen online I wasn't the only one with issues. It's also why I no longer recommend them in my social circle and rather point them to Lenevo Thinkpads or Yoga Slim devices if they are looking for a Windows or Linux machine.

Look-wise they are still nice, but it seems the have a lot more quality control issues.

If you still want a new XPS, you'll have to search for it under it's new name "Dell Premium", since Dell changed their naming scheme to something along the lines of Apple.
 
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I purchased a Dell XPS 9570 from 2018 because that era of Apple laptops sucked but it was still a train wreck.

Those XPS's had serious overheating issues, and undervolting was the only effective fix. Then a BIOS update quietly disabled it without warning. The backlash on Twitter and NotebookReview forums (RIP) was so intense that the XPS and Alienware product lead had to do daily damage control. It was embarrassing—and I’ll never buy another Dell consumer product again.

That being said, my current laptop for writing emails, web browsing, and some light classic games is a Latitude from almost a decade ago and the quality is undeniably a step above XPS & nearly on par with Macs. I would definitely consider a Dell, or PC for that matter, but ONLY if it was a professional-grade device.
 
I used to like Dell XPS laptops, owned multiple ones.

The last two had build quality issues, ports dying and one even a battery bloating - I never had on another personal or from work laptop before or since. From what I've seen online I wasn't the only one with issues. It's also why I no longer recommend them in my social circle and rather point them to Lenevo Thinkpads or Yoga Slim devices if they are looking for a Windows or Linux machine.

Look-wise they are still nice, but it seems the have a lot more quality control issues.

If you still want a new XPS, you'll have to search for it under it's new name "Dell Premium", since Dell changed their naming scheme to something along the lines of Apple.
Dell Premium 😀
 
Some of the XPS models were nice and some of them look and felt like cheap crap. The white models with very little space between the keys looked really premium. They had gaming-style XPS models which I didn't like the look nor feel of.
 
Must be shifting old stock, as that line up truly has been replaced/renamed.


You are right.
According to Google Dell is indeed replacing its XPS line with a 'premium' line, but Dell does not mention it on their site (as far as I can see). Quite confusing.
 
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You are right.
According to Google Dell is indeed replacing its XPS line with a 'premium' line, but Dell does not mention it on their site (as far as I can see). Quite confusing.
It is when I look 🤣🤷‍♂️ They must have different regions and different updates. 👍
 
The Windows version of the MacBook Pro is definitely the Razer Blade laptop.
No question but one huge downside is the huge power brick. I opted for a much less sexy thinkpad partly due to the power brick (also the battery life is so much better)
 
No question but one huge downside is the huge power brick. I opted for a much less sexy thinkpad partly due to the power brick (also the battery life is so much better)

PC's have ugly bricks and those larger than necessary. There are so many PC laptops that try to be too many things.

A thin and light laptop that tries to do a bit of creative and a bit of gaming. So they turn out to be a little heavier, hotter and noisier than something that's just business class to do spreadsheets, documents, email and Zoom. Or the creative laptop that can do some gaming.

I normally bring a tiny 65 watt Anker charging block with me for my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16 and it's fine for what I do. I don't need to carry the OEM block. My Lenovo has a brick that's a lot larger than my 65 watt block and I'll probably just bring my 65 watt block when carrying that. It might even be more than I need.
 
A thin and light laptop that tries to do a bit of creative and a bit of gaming.
That's the other major issue with the Razer, its a gaming PC and they've embraced the thin and light design language. I do find their laptops to be quite striking but once you turn it on (and its plugged in), those fans are really noticable.

I have an older Razer and I had to really tweak the system as best I could to minimize the fan noise when I wasn't playing games. I was largely successful, but once I fired up a game, all bets were off. Still, it was a really fun and nice laptop to use - basically my first gaming laptop and I have no regrets purchasing it.

Lugging the the ginormous power brick and the thick power cord (did not easily wrap up) got old quick. I traveled more back then and taking that laptop over a smaller model, like a MBP, was very noticeable especially when going through airports and waiting in lines.

Finally, while they were always a boutique laptop maker, I think they priced themselves out of much of their customer base lately. I really struggle to see how many gamers would be willing to spend north of 3,000 dollars for a 16" laptop and 4,000 to 5,000 dollars for the 18" model. You can opt for the lowest, smallest configured flavor of the 16" and 18" but like Apple you're painting yourself in a corner with the base models. I think if you're going to buy a razer laptop you opt for the middle or upper configurations.

Finally, there's other gaming laptops that are significantly less money, they just don't have the "coolness factor" of the Razer. Those other laptops like the Lenovo Legion are not have garish designs, but they do lack the fit and finish that the Razer has.
 
That's the other major issue with the Razer, its a gaming PC and they've embraced the thin and light design language. I do find their laptops to be quite striking but once you turn it on (and its plugged in), those fans are really noticable.

I have an older Razer and I had to really tweak the system as best I could to minimize the fan noise when I wasn't playing games. I was largely successful, but once I fired up a game, all bets were off. Still, it was a really fun and nice laptop to use - basically my first gaming laptop and I have no regrets purchasing it.

Lugging the the ginormous power brick and the thick power cord (did not easily wrap up) got old quick. I traveled more back then and taking that laptop over a smaller model, like a MBP, was very noticeable especially when going through airports and waiting in lines.

Finally, while they were always a boutique laptop maker, I think they priced themselves out of much of their customer base lately. I really struggle to see how many gamers would be willing to spend north of 3,000 dollars for a 16" laptop and 4,000 to 5,000 dollars for the 18" model. You can opt for the lowest, smallest configured flavor of the 16" and 18" but like Apple you're painting yourself in a corner with the base models. I think if you're going to buy a razer laptop you opt for the middle or upper configurations.

Finally, there's other gaming laptops that are significantly less money, they just don't have the "coolness factor" of the Razer. Those other laptops like the Lenovo Legion are not have garish designs, but they do lack the fit and finish that the Razer has.

I do not have a good feel for how well high-end gaming laptops cost. But the MSI Titan 18 lists for about $6K and I've heard of sales from $4K to $4.5K. My guess, with zero research, is crypto bros with a lot of money who want expensive houses, cars, and PCs.
 
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