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mackard

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Just wanted to share any ideas on what the best final os could be for intel macbook pro's. I have a 16 inch i9 version, which has always been somewhat of a lemon, but the speakers and the display are still too nice (and too expensive) to replace, given its still functional for what i do.

Mode of operation:
- Rebuild the OS quarterly to acknowledge they are no longer supported. This has become very quick over the years, due to the gem of apfs not needing allocated space for partitions, all my data lives on other partitions. I do a clean install every time, and have some bash (!!) scripts that copy out the app support files before rebuild and restore once its back.
- Run in single retina mode, mostly. Since big sur. intel integrated gpus aren't good enough to run macos smoothly, you can use the discrete gpu, or a utility to set the resolution to a 1x option. I suppose the default resolution is okay, but ever since macs i've always taken more screen space.

Options:
- TAHOE: As bad as it is, i enjoy eye candy. Its also in the beginning of its school year, so wont be seriously interesting until next year, it still has time to bake. If all you care about is the patches against the bogey man thats 3 years from now still to go, which is quite good. I love the transparencies but of course they're expensive on all but the gpus of the latest m chips. They can never fix this apart from turning it off btw. The rounded windows and the supermassive bloat designed to take out the m1 superchip are hard to ignore though.
- SEQUIOA: Bloat is already beyond intel.
- SONOMA: Has acceptable performance on intel, just slightly worse than ventura, and brings alot of app compatibility it seems. Still has a year of support. It may be the first os though that formally tuned away from intel, the power management is more aggressive, somehow it runs very cool, but is also more bursty, and choppy, which somehow seems to drain the battery more than ventura.. while running cooler? There could be more stuff going on in the background that's not apparent. Its pretty much the same as ventura though if you aren't measuring, and if you were forced to by software wouldn't be the end of the world.
- VENTURA: Golden child. The last os where everything was just right for intel. Critically, seems to have better power management than monterey. Also critically, beats monterey in app performance. While monterey may have snappier windowing, the content drawn in windows is far more snappier on ventura.. it actually feels better. Also im running 13.7.6!!!! 13.7.7 (and im assuming .8) are tangibly worse. When i rolled back to 13.7.6 it was like formal acceptance.
- MONTEREY: Worth a go. Overall windowing is quite noticable step above ventura, but it wasn't a universal win due to the in app content rendering much faster in ventura. I haven't tested this in a while, but i also suspect classic gaming using opengl is faster on monterey, at least since ventura over the years pretty much gaming was a universal disappointment. Battery life i feel like saying is worse than ventura as well, the lower power mode isn't as interesting. There's something up with availability though, only the 7.4 installer is still available, and i tried to update via ota to 7.6 on a different imac and it refused to boot after restart. Never seen an official apple patch fail until this.

Just lastly, to save on testing, what i like doing is going to geekbench browser and searching for the build and my cpu to see if there are any trends. If there isn't a trend you cant hold your breath and make one, but for particularly good or particularly bad builds for your processor, its immediately apparent. I usually only try the best performing builds.
 
My go-tos would be Sequoia, if you don't like LG; Monterey if you don't like the new System Preferences; or Mojave, for that sweet 32-bit support and none of the iOS-ification of macOS.

- Rebuild the OS quarterly to acknowledge they are no longer supported. This has become very quick over the years, due to the gem of apfs not needing allocated space for partitions, all my data lives on other partitions. I do a clean install every time, and have some bash (!!) scripts that copy out the app support files before rebuild and restore once its back.
If you use Catalina or newer reinstalling the OS is pointless as it should be identical, if it wasn't you wouldn't be able to boot due to failed signatures. If you're having problems that require reinstallations of OSX I'd recommend taking a deeper look at the user files you're keeping between reinstall, almost certainly the problem lies in there.
 
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I love liquid glass aka liquid class so got to be Tahoe. That said my only remaining intel macs are servers running Mojave because Apple killed off support for the 2014 minis
 
My go-tos would be Sequoia, if you don't like LG; Monterey if you don't like the new System Preferences; or Mojave, for that sweet 32-bit support and none of the iOS-ification of macOS.


If you use Catalina or newer reinstalling the OS is pointless as it should be identical, if it wasn't you wouldn't be able to boot due to failed signatures. If you're having problems that require reinstallations of OSX I'd recommend taking a deeper look at the user files you're keeping between reinstall, almost certainly the problem lies in there.

Yeah as much as i'm triggered by the notion of people being forced to obsolete their hardware for a bogey man notion of security, i do occasionally read the notes, and you can still run into problems by just loading image and media files... at least you're lead to believe this. So i consider a periodic rebuild a reasonable enough compromise to consider my machine fully secure and unsupported.

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Something i should add to the original post if it matters is i also expect to use this machine permanently under low power mode. For my i9 16 inch.. for the first time since ive bought it its felt not like a lemon. Ventura low power mode seems snappy enough for productivity use. The battery life finally meets my expectations (from classic intel apple), and even better, when i have it docked the fans don't spin up on the smallest whim. Suddenly my intel lemon is a functional machine!

ps. Also just in general its hilarious how apple and microsoft have been making software for how many decades, yet somehow they've engineered it so there's always some critical set of vulnerabilities to be patched next month. By that logic your machine is NEVER secure. Frequent rebuilding or disposable working contexts for operating systems seem to make much more sense.
 
My 2021 MacBook Pro 14" (m1pro) has been running on Sonoma since mid-2022. It continues to run well, and right now I have no plans to upgrade it further...
 
Haha, "iOS-ification" started in Lion if some people are to be believed.
For me it means the square icons, removal of customization, and the addition of iOS apps cheaply ported to macOS. I don't really care about the addition of iCloud or whatever.
 
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