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When will Blu-ray be incorporated???
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Uh. Blue-ray hasn't won yet. Apple is going for HD DVD as well as Blue-ray. They're just going to wait and see who wins first.
Based on the way Apple has pushed towards standardizing formats in the past, I would think Apple would incorporate Blu-ray sooner than most people expect. I think Blu-ray will win, but I wouldn't count on Sony alone influencing the market enough to win the format wars (how many of us enjoyed renting and watching our Betamax movies or listening to our songs in ATRAC3?) Actually, I fully agree with the comments Bill Gates makes (scary!) about HD-DVD vs Blu-ray in this Businessweek article:
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/oct2005/id20051021_469296.htm
Microsoft chairman Bill Gates echoed similar sentiments in a speech given recently at Howard University in Washington D.C. -- perhaps that is also why MS has decided to stay with DVD-9 for the Xbox 360.
"The home activity of the future will be very digital, we actually call it the digital lifestyle," he said. "Your music, of course, is already moving away from being on a physical media to just being on a hard disk or streamed across the Internet. My daughter, who's 9, asked me as we went into a record store what a record was, and, of course, she's never seen a record, and five years from now people will say what's a CD, why did you have to go to the case and open something up and you couldn't sequence it your own playlist way; that will be a thing of the past."
Gates continued, "Likewise, even for videos that will happen. The format that's under discussion right now, HD versus Blu-ray, that's simply the last physical format we'll ever have. Even videos in the future will either be on a disk in your pocket or over the Internet and therefore far more convenient for you. You can organize things the way you want and it will show up on all these different devices."
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/oct2005/id20051021_469296.htm
Microsoft chairman Bill Gates echoed similar sentiments in a speech given recently at Howard University in Washington D.C. -- perhaps that is also why MS has decided to stay with DVD-9 for the Xbox 360.
"The home activity of the future will be very digital, we actually call it the digital lifestyle," he said. "Your music, of course, is already moving away from being on a physical media to just being on a hard disk or streamed across the Internet. My daughter, who's 9, asked me as we went into a record store what a record was, and, of course, she's never seen a record, and five years from now people will say what's a CD, why did you have to go to the case and open something up and you couldn't sequence it your own playlist way; that will be a thing of the past."
Gates continued, "Likewise, even for videos that will happen. The format that's under discussion right now, HD versus Blu-ray, that's simply the last physical format we'll ever have. Even videos in the future will either be on a disk in your pocket or over the Internet and therefore far more convenient for you. You can organize things the way you want and it will show up on all these different devices."
...I'm almost positive that Apple stated they're choosing Blu-ray over HD-DVD, but I may be wrong...blaskillet4 said:
Nope. During one of Steve's keynotes. He was talking about how the new QT codec was so great, its been adopted as the new standard. He mentioned Blu-ray, but then he said it will be incorporated in HD DVD, he said something about a win-win situation.pdpfilms said:
"Blu-ray" sounds much cooler... but Sony is evil...
I can see why this is going to be a long battle!
I can see why this is going to be a long battle!
the more i hear the name Blu Ray the more i think of it like Betamax
we might still see Apple say the will support both formats yet (which i'm expecting any time soon)
we might still see Apple say the will support both formats yet (which i'm expecting any time soon)
blaskillet4 said:
Blu-ray is one HD DVD format, as "HD DVD" is another format for the storing of data on an 'HD DVD'. Is everybody confused now? Steve has said he supports Blu-ray. Bill came out later supporting HD DVD (just to oppose Apple I guess).
KingSleaze said:
Uh. No. I know which format is which. Steve said Apple is supporting BOTH. As both of them use the new QT codec. It really is a win-win for Apple. Bill just supports HD DVD because he prefers it, not because of Apple.
I remember reading that Apple was siding with Blueray over HD DVD. Google brings up quite a lot of articles regarding it, noteably
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/03/18/bluray/index.php?pf=1
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/11/1217236&tid=174&tid=1
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/03/18/bluray/index.php?pf=1
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/11/1217236&tid=174&tid=1
Apple has put their support in the BluRay camp, but that doesn't mean they'll stick with a dead standard if HD-DVD comes out on top.
Apple is part of the Blu-Ray consortium, so technically that's the "side" they're on. However, eventually they could support both formats if one doesn't clearly win out over the other. Apple backed (and to some degree continues to) DVD-R/RW, but all Superdrives now burn DVD+R/RW as well because both formats now coexist.
As for when Apple will incorporate Blu-Ray, I'm guessing (hoping?) it will be summer or fall of 2006. The first Blu-Ray drives are actually on the market. The Pioneer BRD-101A is such a drive. Of course it's expensive and slow, but that will change. Technically, there's no reason Apple can't start using Blu-ray now.
As for when Apple will incorporate Blu-Ray, I'm guessing (hoping?) it will be summer or fall of 2006. The first Blu-Ray drives are actually on the market. The Pioneer BRD-101A is such a drive. Of course it's expensive and slow, but that will change. Technically, there's no reason Apple can't start using Blu-ray now.
Blu-Ray is available in Japan (according to Wikipedia), and is commercially available, but they are constantly improving it. I think Apple may be waiting to incorporate Blu-Ray until they can create a Drive that Read/Writes Blu-Ray, DVD, and CD.
Look for Blu-Ray appering on Power MacIntels in early 2007, January 16th, February 13th, or March 13.
TEG
Look for Blu-Ray appering on Power MacIntels in early 2007, January 16th, February 13th, or March 13.
TEG
Monsanto-Man said:
Hopefully never. Blu-ray is the better of the two but being better does not mean being successful. Think Beta video format. Think DVD-RAM. I got burnt by the latter when Apple incorporated into the Sawtooth G4 PowerMac and then abandoned it.
Physical media is the wave of the past. I don't want my data, music and videos on tape, CD or DVD - blu-ray or otherwise. I want to buy it and stream it to my hard drive where I can store it for when I want to use it. Having a CD or DVD just means I gotta go through the process of ripping it to get it where its going to be used. Physical media waste money, space and resources.
pubwvj said:
How do you suggest I back up my video editing projects? Physical media is not the wave of the past. It's just less relevant for certain things. In other areas it's as important as it's ever been. Right now I have to back my projects up on hard drives. It'd be really nice to be able to back them up to small, removable physical media like Blu-ray disks. Much cheaper, more reliable, easier to store, etc. By the way, last I checked, a hard drive is physical media. Just because it's (usually) built-in to your computer doesn't mean it's not physical. I've currently got 4 hard drives for my video editing stuff, along with two more for backup. 4 of those 6 are external, and they most certainly take up space, and cost a lot of money.
mduser63 said:
I backup to hard drives. My video projects don't fit on DVDs. Typically there is 30 to 90 GB of data from start to finish on a project.
Hard drives are not physical media in the sense of audio tapes, CDs, DVDs, etc that are used to distribute data like software and entertainment. I used to backup to CDs too but my data volume long exceeded that, and DVDs. My reference to the tapes, CDs and DVDs as being the wave of the past wa about backup and distrobution. Downloadable is so much more efficient, cost effective and saves resources from trees to plastics to petro.
If your projects fit on DVD for backup, wonderful, more power to you.
The big point was Apple has gone with Blu-ray. Blu-ray has backing of a portion of the industry which is highly split on this issue. I have had bad experiences, as noted in my post, with Apple backing the wrong horse. I hope they don't stick Blu-ray into Macs until the dust settles and we know it is a clear winner.