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alien3dx

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I bought this apple tv because of my iMac USB c cable failure and actually this is my second option choice. The first choice replacement cable not yet receive because of CORONA VIRUS /quarantine issue delivering.

I have tried whatever configuration which has +- which asks me to press?
I have tried to press long play/pause button for a long time. Before updating, I see a blank bar at the top and after updating see nothing.

Device Connected: Samsung 21 monitor (not tv)
Audio: A cheap speaker connected to Samsung 21 monitor.
The main device i airplay to : Imac 2017 21 inchi

** no remote for the monitor because not tv
** don't want to use tv because of the resolution a bit eye strain for me when I previously using a mac mini 2014
 
the Samsung might have a USB audio device in it, so you'd need to connect USB to the appleTV to get audio, which can't be done.

You can connect bluetooth speakers/headphones to the aTV.

You only get an indication of volume on screen when you are using bluetooth or airplay.
When using HDMI audio out, you get nothing on the screen from the aTV (Your TV might add something though)

you said you had eye strain when using the TV.
Were you using it as a computer monitor (for text based things), or to watch videos?

If you were using it as a monitor, try it for videos, You'll probably be much happier.

I don't know what a "USB c cable failure" on your Mac has to do with needing an appleTV.
 
the Samsung might have a USB audio device in it, so you'd need to connect USB to the appleTV to get audio, which can't be done.

You can connect bluetooth speakers/headphones to the aTV.


You only get an indication of volume on screen when you are using bluetooth or airplay.
When using HDMI audio out, you get nothing on the screen from the aTV (Your TV might add something though)

you said you had eye strain when using the TV.
Were you using it as a computer monitor (for text based things), or to watch videos?

If you were using it as a monitor, try it for videos, You'll probably be much happier.

I don't know what a "USB c cable failure" on your Mac has to do with needing an appleTV.

You can connect bluetooth speakers/headphones to the aTV.( Im not using tv, im using old monitor)

I don't have bluetooth speaker and use normal old speaker. I would buy but now our country been in lockdown mode, only essential open. Online order also now take a lot of time now.

Were you using it as a computer monitor (for text based things), or to watch videos?

As main monitor,code editing.

I don't know what a "USB c cable failure" on your Mac has to do with needing an appleTV.

Imac 2017 doesn't have hdmi output. To connect to second monitor i have to use usb c to hdmi. It only have 2 port usb c. Another one been use as bootable disk(ssd usbc )
In System Preferences :: Display got option air play display, so i can extend monitor.
** a bit lag.. but as long it work, okay for me.

Why i not use sidekick?

To small to see and not touch friendly.
 
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So you're trying to get audio from speakers that are plugged into your monitor? That's not going to work. The audio port on your monitor is audio in, not out. I'm assuming the monitor has built in speakers? An exact model number for your monitor might be useful.
If the Apple TV is connected to your monitor via HDMI, I'm not sure the monitor can also receive audio over HDMI. Pretty sure most computer monitors use HDMI for video only.
So it seems to me that right now your Apple TV doesn't have an audio device connected at all. Speakers would need to be connected directly to the Apple TV, which means bluetooth speakers or speakers you could connect to the optical port on the Apple TV.
Just thinking out loud here, so if I'm misunderstanding I apologize.
 
So you're trying to get audio from speakers that are plugged into your monitor? That's not going to work. The audio port on your monitor is audio in, not out. I'm assuming the monitor has built in speakers? An exact model number for your monitor might be useful.
If the Apple TV is connected to your monitor via HDMI, I'm not sure the monitor can also receive audio over HDMI. Pretty sure most computer monitors use HDMI for video only.
So it seems to me that right now your Apple TV doesn't have an audio device connected at all. Speakers would need to be connected directly to the Apple TV, which means bluetooth speakers or speakers you could connect to the optical port on the Apple TV.
Just thinking out loud here, so if I'm misunderstanding I apologize.
okay. I just want to adjust to volume.. too loud ..😅.The monitor connect to the normal cheap speaker. Apple TV 4k don't have audio in.. only hdmi :(
 
The ATV controls volume in 3 ways -
A: when audio is connected via bluetooth (headphone or speaker).

The HDMI connection is always at full output - it is up to the destination (receiver/TV/Monitor) to control volume

B: via IR (by duplicating the remote signals of the TV or receiver - typically used if the TV/Receiver do not support ARC)
C: via ARC (telling the destination to change volume over the HDMI connection)

If you are saying you have an appletv connected to the monitor, and a speaker connected to the monitor (headphone jack i presume), then likely your only option to control volume is on the monitor itself - possibly buried in the menus somewhere. I have never run across a 'monitor' that supports ARC and most do not have a remote or support IR.

If your cheap speaker supports bluetooth, I would pair it direct with the ATV

Makes and Models of the speaker and Monitor would be helpful if you need further assistance beyond what everyone has posted so far
 
The ATV controls volume in 3 ways -
A: when audio is connected via bluetooth (headphone or speaker).

The HDMI connection is always at full output - it is up to the destination (receiver/TV/Monitor) to control volume

B: via IR (by duplicating the remote signals of the TV or receiver - typically used if the TV/Receiver do not support ARC)
C: via ARC (telling the destination to change volume over the HDMI connection)

If you are saying you have an appletv connected to the monitor, and a speaker connected to the monitor (headphone jack i presume), then likely your only option to control volume is on the monitor itself - possibly buried in the menus somewhere. I have never run across a 'monitor' that supports ARC and most do not have a remote or support IR.

If your cheap speaker supports bluetooth, I would pair it direct with the ATV

Makes and Models of the speaker and Monitor would be helpful if you need further assistance beyond what everyone has posted so far
Okay. Manually as it for time being . Cant go anyway because on lockdown mode(essential shop only open time being)
 
I was looking at the post more, and I think I've finally realized what you're really trying to do
You're not using the aTV to watch videos, you're using airplay to connect the second monitor for your Mac. Since your existing cable died.

If you're doing that just use the volume controls on your Mac. don't worry about the aTV remote.
Just set the volume on the speakers at a resonable level and leave it alone.

You could also plug those speakers directly into the Mac. might make a bit more sense.
The audio normally goes along with airplay, but you can change it back


go into system preferences -> audio -> output, you can set volume and pick output from there.
or if you have the "show volume in menu bar" checked, you can adjust volume and choose output from the menu bar.
or if you have an apple keyboard, there are volume buttons on there.

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I had typed all of the below before I came to the realization above,
The ATV controls volume in 3 ways -
A: when audio is connected via bluetooth (headphone or speaker).
Airplay should be included in this too.
not sure if it needs a new letter, or just change it to "A: remote speaker, either bluetooth or airplay"

via ARC (telling the destination to change volume over the HDMI connection)

regular HDMI signal contains audio
It's used for most connections. aTV to TV, Cable box to TV, aTV to receiver, and so on.

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HDMI-ARC (audio return channel) is where you run audio "backwards" down an HDMI cable compared what you would normally do.
Audio is coming out one of the inputs on your TV and going in to the output of your audio device.

if your TV is Plugged into the output of a receiver, and your cable box is plugged into and input on that receiver
When you're watching your cable box, you're only using HDMI, since the receiver is just grabbing the audio as the entire signal passes through on the way to the TV.

Now lets say your Receiver doesn't support 4K, so you plug your aTV directly into your TV.
The combined audio and video go to the TV by HDMI.
Now just the audio goes out to the receiver via the same cable that brings video/audio up from the cable box/receiver. That's HDMI-ARC

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HDMI-CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) is sending controls over HDMI. (think button presses)
Manufacturers use many different names for this, but for the most part they all work the same, and work together.
Some examples of names are SimpLink, Anynet+, and a number of others that normally including "sync" or "link" as part of the name

This is how you control the volume on external devices,
**The aTV can send a "Volume UP" command over the HDMI, depending on your setup, your TV could either do that, or pass it along to your receiver.
**your TV can send a "move left" or "Pause" command to the aTV or Blu-ray player
**When you turn off the aTV, it can send an "all off" command which will turn off both the TV and receiver.
 
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