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BakedBeans

BakedBeans

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little help needed guys.....

im doing a course at the moment and have come to a crossroads

i can take a master ciw designer course, and a scp in java, are these very good... (the ciw really....)
 
I can definitely speak to the java side. Everyone and their neighbor seems to be a SCP, but if you go one step further and go for the developer cert, it can really separate you from other java programmers. Also, beyond that, you have many cert paths you can follow to add to your arsenal.

Personally I am pursuing my SCP, and then I will be getting certified in IBM WSAD...

As for the CIW thing, is that a newer cert? I have never heard of it, though I don't pay much attention to anything outside of the Java realm.

Thats my biased opinion :)
 
I wouldn't say a lot of web sites use Java, as these are usually designed by non-techies which usually leads toward ASP or PHP. Java is more of an enterprise application (internal web based applications) technology of choice. Inside large companies, you will either see .NET or Java as the platform choice and once a company commits to either, they will usually stay with that choice as it becomes expensive to convert existing applications and its much easier to integrate applications that are based on the same technology - although once Web Services gain momentum, this won't matter.

I really enjoy Java because it has grown in scope from the applet to a true WORA application platform. J2EE is a good spec and the JSR keeps the community involved in the evolution of the language.

I don't really see the purpose of a CIW cert, seems like fluff to me. What technologies/software does that cover?
 
So because it costs a lot, its a good thing? My college then must be one of the best in the country then :D

It seems to cover several aspects of web based technology (more than I thought it would), so it seems alright, but it also seems that these topics are usually covered in most IS/CS/MIS/CIS degrees. I don't see what sets it apart, that is all. Go for it, seems most employers like employees with certifications, so I don't think you can go wrong.

Good luck.
 
kingjr3 said:
So because it costs a lot, its a good thing? My college then must be one of the best in the country then :D

It seems to cover several aspects of web based technology (more than I thought it would), so it seems alright, but it also seems that these topics are usually covered in most IS/CS/MIS/CIS degrees. I don't see what sets it apart, that is all. Go for it, seems most employers like employees with certifications, so I don't think you can go wrong.

Good luck.
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employers like certifications, degrees, but most of all experience which is 90 percent of the game, maybe 99 percent of the game

being a former hr officer, this is what we looked for, especially in computer people...but now i am a computer/IT person so i am on the other side of the coin and i don't menton on my resume that by bachelor's is in hr because they will automaticaly toss the resume in the trash thinking i will steal their job...if you have any degree besides IT/IS/CS/engineering, then just state BA or BS, but if you have a related degree, then state the full description...and for all IT certifications, state it very prominetly on your resume...if you have experience, by all means put it first on your resume and make a skills based resume

for the new people coming into the field the age old question comes up, how do i get into an entry level job if they want experience, but how do i get experience if they don't let me into an entry level job?

that's the toughest nut to crack and a good way to break in believe it or not is volunteer somewhere where you can work your skills...cash strapped small businesses and non profits will have a hard time turning you down
 
AL-FAMOUS said:
not sure if its just big in england then??

as ive never heard on those degrees you said about.... but that may well be my ignorance ;)
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CS...computer science focused on programming languages
IS...information systems focused on implementing and maintaining gear
MIS...management information systems focused on running the computer crew

BSEE/MSEE...bachelor of science in electrical engineering/master's
CE...computer engineering...cross between bsee, cs, and is
IT...information technology degree similar to is degree

MBA in IS...master of business administration in information systems and a more senior manager in the the computer crew of computer hardware and computer software related employees

IS/IT/MIS/MBA IS... degrees are not fully technical degrees and focus a lot on management

CS/CE/BSEE/MSEE...degrees focused on the technical but not the managerial

this is the list of major computer related degrees i have heard about in the united states, both from the point of view as an IT person and a human resources person
 
Every school calls them something to the tune of:
Information Science(s)
Management Information Science
Computer Science
Information Technology
Computing and Information Science
eEngineering

They are all very similar, cover the topics in today's computing, which so happens to be in internet related topics, for the moment. CS degrees focus more on programming/theory/design of languages, compilers, computers, etc and most programs touch upon the internet related technologies such as HTTP, Application Servers, Databases, and more.

Although I do have a CS and Math degree, I did find it much easier to switch jobs after I got that 5 years experience under my belt (actually 7.5 but whos counting) - I ended up going back to consulting for <shamelss plug>Centare Group</shameless plug> after trying a fulltime gig for 9 months.
 
I'm looking for a new job at the moment myself. Is it misleading if I list CS as my major, as I majored in Consumer Studies, but I'm looking for web design job.
 
Companies don't seem to care too much what qualifications you have on paper anyways. They are looking for talent and a strong portfolio.
 
wormed said:
Companies don't seem to care too much what qualifications you have on paper anyways. They are looking for talent and a strong portfolio.
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i agree...that's why i said it's 90 percent, if not 99 percent

in the end a business wants to get from point a to point b efficiently and accurately and degrees and certifications always take a back seat to experience

because i have been self employed for 15 years, i totally understand the need to get the job done because clients and customers don't care what pieces of paper your workers have, but the job that is done and if they like it
 
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