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Hey guys, just moved into a new apartment and have a room with a nice white wall.

Thinking about getting a projector to watch movies, youtube, and maybe even play some classic video games.


Which ones do you guys have?

Thinking about buying one of those $150 ones on Amazon - are those usable?
 
The cheap projector usually has low light output. It need complete darkness to perform well. If your room can meet this requirement, it should be fine. Otherwise, the image will be wash out.

You also need to know the throw distance and image size of the projector, make sure it suitable for your room to achieve the image size you want.

For me, the projector is about the image size and resolution, at least 80" and FHD for me. Anything lower than that, i will get a TV instead.

I have a cheap projector in living hall for many years. Optoma 720p (FHD projector was very expensive back then) projecting 86" image. I only use it at night with all the lights off, because i don't have blackout curtain to block sunlight. I am happy with that because i like to watch movie in complete darkness like cinema.

Hope the above comment does help. Good luck!
 
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To amplify what Liang already mentioned - because someone who hasn't used a projector before might not realize just how important it is - that room needs to be dark when you're watching anything. Especially if you're watching anything with low-light scenes.

If there's light coming through windows, whether natural or otherwise (street lights, cars passing, etc), you want blackout curtains.

Same with doorways leading to rooms or hallways that might be lit while you're watching - you want doors.

For someone who has never used a projector before (apologies if that's not the case - your post makes it sound like it is), cheap projectors like the one you're thinking about are a perfect starting point. The initial investment is small so even if you make a subjectively "bad choice" you'll gain valuable knowledge about projectors in general.

"Oh, it's that loud if I'm seated behind it?"

"Oh, if I want the picture to be that large, I need to move it this far?"

"Oh, if I move it this far, the image is going to be that dim?"

"Oh, and where's the sound?"

It does also mean it's helpful to have low expectations. What looks like a nice, white wall might turn out to reflect the projected image unevenly. You might spot blemishes you can't easily get rid of.

You might need to place the projector closer to the wall than you like - potentially in the middle of the room on a coffee table. I recommend you don't have the projector installed on a ceiling or wall arm before you know how that particular projector is going to perform in that particular room. Cheaper projectors can lack the image brightness or adjustment options to work around bad placement. Heck, even with more expensive projectors you want to avoid having the projector fight against bad placement.

If the projector ends up in the middle of the room, you'll need to figure how to route power and video cables so that you or someone else is not constantly tripping on them. That, then, will determine whether your entertainment hardware (computer, Apple TV, AVR, etc) is going to be sitting at the front or back of the room, or in the middle with the projector. Which in turn will determine how you wire up your speakers (assuming you won't be playing audio through computer speakers).

I hope this very generic information still proves useful to you, or gets you thinking about something you had not considered.

Have fun!
 
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To amplify what Liang already mentioned - because someone who hasn't used a projector before might not realize just how important it is - that room needs to be dark when you're watching anything. Especially if you're watching anything with low-light scenes.

If there's light coming through windows, whether natural or otherwise (street lights, cars passing, etc), you want blackout curtains.

Same with doorways leading to rooms or hallways that might be lit while you're watching - you want doors.

For someone who has never used a projector before (apologies if that's not the case - your post makes it sound like it is), cheap projectors like the one you're thinking about are a perfect starting point. The initial investment is small so even if you make a subjectively "bad choice" you'll gain valuable knowledge about projectors in general.

"Oh, it's that loud if I'm seated behind it?"

"Oh, if I want the picture to be that large, I need to move it this far?"

"Oh, if I move it this far, the image is going to be that dim?"

"Oh, and where's the sound?"

It does also mean it's helpful to have low expectations. What looks like a nice, white wall might turn out to reflect the projected image unevenly. You might spot blemishes you can't easily get rid of.

You might need to place the projector closer to the wall than you like - potentially in the middle of the room on a coffee table. I recommend you don't have the projector installed on a ceiling or wall arm before you know how that particular projector is going to perform in that particular room. Cheaper projectors can lack the image brightness or adjustment options to work around bad placement. Heck, even with more expensive projectors you want to avoid having the projector fight against bad placement.

If the projector ends up in the middle of the room, you'll need to figure how to route power and video cables so that you or someone else is not constantly tripping on them. That, then, will determine whether your entertainment hardware (computer, Apple TV, AVR, etc) is going to be sitting at the front or back of the room, or in the middle with the projector. Which in turn will determine how you wire up your speakers (assuming you won't be playing audio through computer speakers).

I hope this very generic information still proves useful to you, or gets you thinking about something you had not considered.

Have fun!

To reamplify that :) I have a fairly expensive, high lumen projector. The OP can do everything he mentioned with an inexpensive projector but the room needs to be dark. That's true even with my high lumen one. But if he must have some light, it needs to be low, indirect and pointing as much as possible away from the screen. I do an outdoor setup sometimes. Even a full moon versus no moon makes a difference and I have a relatively good-ish screen.

Projecting on a simple white wall in a dark room actually is a fair image. Ideally an expensive high gain dalite screen is best but that can get pricey especially if your looking for a motorized screen. Either way, if the throw is decent and you've go the backward distance, you definitely can get a pretty good and BIG image on the wall (almost like sitting in the front row of the movies).
 
I have an ancient Sharp projector from 2004; apparently it was a couple thousand dollars or something crazy since it was portable. I bought it for $50; barely used. I justified it by saying if I ever have an emergency where I need a projector, I'll have some on standby. It takes VGA.

I don't recommend that projector for your apartment.
 
I have an Epson Pro EX9240. Not the most affordable but I bought it on eBay.
It's about 8' from a white wall in my Apartment and except for horror movies, it's acceptable for our use.
We only get direct sunlight from about 430-630 which would be annoying if we watched cable tv and wanted to watch primetime tv shows, but with the blinds closed, it's totally watchable for cooking shows and whatever.
Any other time of day, movies, TV shows, news, youtube, it's all "good enough" for me but I'm not a movie or TV snob.

The projector is placed upside down on top of a bookshelf with a long HDMI cable running to a Mac Mini thats in the bottom of the bookshelf.
The mac mini's headphone out runs to an AV receiver with a few speakers and a subwoofer.
 
I used a projector as my main TV (and video game monitor!) for nearly a decade. TV prices came down and I moved back to using a big TV. But a high quality projector worked great for me before that.

Everything above is accurate and right. But I think left out is that when you do have a nicely dim room and either a good flat white wall or a cheap screen (I've used both), the result of a good projector is amazing. It really can be a special experience to watch a movie or sports on a huge picture in your own home. I won't go back, because now I can have a huge and good 4K TV for about $1,000. But it was fun to have a projector.
 
You might also want to pick up a calibration disc such as DVE. You won't get flawless results but it'll at least help you set the brightness/contrast appropriately for the distance from the wall. It'll also help you turn off any of the 'enhancement' features that end up making movies look weird (e.g. the "Brilliant Colour" feature on my Acer that wreaks havoc with 'artistic' movies).

I'm lucky enough that the biggest uninterrupted wall in the house is in the basement, so after some refurbishment I have a nice big 2.39:1 screen down there where it's otherwise pitch black :)
 
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I would suggest not doing a cheap projector. You might be able to find something used in that price range if you’re lucky. (Hint: older projectors don’t have HDMI but higher end models will have DVI, which is basically HDMI in a different form and can easily be converted with a $5 adapter. Audio can be “extracted” with a $20 box).

I had apartment several years ago. I wanted a TV over the fireplace but didn’t want a mess of wires going over the fireplace. It had beautiful wood paneling that obviously couldn’t be messed with either. So I put in a ceiling mounted projector and electric drop screen (mounted into the plaster wall so it could be repaired when I moved out). It came out very clean.

While it was a cool solution that impressed a lot of guests (one click of a harmony remote to turn on projector, drop the screen, dim the lights [using the Lutron Casetta system]), I really wouldn’t recommend it if you don’t need to…

The cost of large (ie 70”) TV’s is relatively “cheap”. If you’re buying new equipment, with the cost of projector + screen you’re basically at the price of these TV’s which will provide a better quality picture.

My sister bought a house recently that came with a “movie theater”. The previous owners took the projector but left the electric drop screen (installed into the ceiling). I told her just to buy a TV. (Getting a projector with the correct lens physics to fit directly where the old projector went would have probably been a hassle too without knowing what was there before).

I don’t play video games, but if you do know that a lot of projectors also have pretty dismal response rates

And having a projector on a white wall isn’t really ideal either. The paint’s gloss causes glare and small imperfections can be highlighted.

If you do want to get a projector, I recommend getting one with the most adjustable zoom lens you can, which gives you the most options for placement. A lot of the very cheap options have no adjustment at all. I also like DLP technology more… though I think Epson uses LCD technology and has figured out making that work pretty well for media uses. DLP will have better black representation which is ideal for media use.

Another thing to consider is audio. Some projectors have speakers, some do not. Generally the built in speakers are garbage and placement inherently is not ideal. Plus remember these projectors have fans to cool the extremely hot (and energy inefficient bulbs) which causes noise.

You can buy a 70” 4K LCD TV from Samsung for about $700… other brands for less than that. A 1080p projector is going to be probably $500+ (True 4K $1000+, some “4K” just upscale) + screen (as cheap as $100 to many hundreds… I spent around $250) + audio. At that point it’s just cheaper to buy a TV.

I don’t think you’ll be happy with the $100 projectors, especially if you don’t have a completely dark room and intend on using it in the dark. I doubt they have adjustments like keystone and the ability to shift the picture directionally digitally for fine tuning which is helpful if you want a more permanent setup.

ProjectorCentral is a very helpful website with reviews and guides and specs if you do want to go the (real) projector route.

I have since moved to a condo that we completely renovated. My projector setup is sitting in storage. IIRC it’s an InFocus 1080p, I forget the rest of the specs. I was planning on giving it to someone but if they don’t want it I might be willing to part with it for cheap. I’d really like to get rid of the screen (give away) since that’s in like a 9ft long box haha. You wouldn’t happen to be in the Boston area @TSE ?
 
Since the pandemic started, I use an Epson Powerlite 108 3700 lumen projector ($500) and it's amazing - primarily outside for night time movies but sometimes inside.

Insane quality, color and sharpness.

Matched with a Bluetooth speaker system and it's a theater without going out!
 
Epson makes really amazing projectors.
Better than Pro panasonic, nec, optima etc. Where most projectors fall down is color. Most projectors that are well regarded, even in the pro industry, don't do bright or rich colors very well.
I worked many a corporate event where we could *never* hit the company's brand color, it was always a pale or grey version of it.
 
I bought a Panasonic ae8000 off of craigslist a few years ago. When the apartment was completely dark, it was pretty good, color wasn’t quite on target, but it’s 1080p and made a huge image on the wall. If you had any light, however, the whole illusion was ruined.
 
Hey guys, just moved into a new apartment and have a room with a nice white wall.

Thinking about getting a projector to watch movies, youtube, and maybe even play some classic video games.


Which ones do you guys have?

Thinking about buying one of those $150 ones on Amazon - are those usable?
I got a $600 Epson that's pretty bright. I started off with a little cheapo and found it didn't really suffice, and gradually traded up. The one I have is 1080p and I've got it mounted to the ceiling, projecting to a 100" screen. I love it, and the experience is defintely more "cinematic" and immersive. It's awesome for gaming, too. The room it's in is in the middle of the apartment and has no windows so it's easy to keep ambient light out.

I say if you can keep your room reasonably dark, dip your toe in with the cheap one and project on your wall and see how you like it. They're all way more sensitive to ambient light than TV screens. If you really like it, I have a feeling you'll start chasing after a better one. But for $150 what's to lose, really.

Do be aware that the speaker (if any) will suck and you'll want to figure out how to route your sound to something better. I had an existing stereo receiver with two good bookshelf speakers and my projector connects to that via HDMI, outputting the sound to the speakers. If I was starting from scratch I might just buy a good soundbar and call it a day.
 
I have several Infocus interactive projectors I recently got in a lot of computer stuff. They are from 2011-2012 but way nicer than the old X2 I’ve been using for a decade. I’m going to keep one for myself. The other ones I’ll be selling.
 
Hey guys, just moved into a new apartment and have a room with a nice white wall.

Thinking about getting a projector to watch movies, youtube, and maybe even play some classic video games.


Which ones do you guys have?

Thinking about buying one of those $150 ones on Amazon - are those usable?

No, usually the cheap low end stuff you see on amazon wont really provide a nice image to replace a TV. they're meant more for cheap and quick presentations that don't really require quality.

A good TV Based projector capable of 100" or larger is going to cost several hundred at minimum.

I had a projector for a while. It turned out to be less than stellar experience for day to day.

A Few things to Note:

1. A plain wall isn't enough. you need to make sure that it's also painted with suitable paint. Anything that's reflective for example will generally suck. So a semi-gloss painted wall will be a bad experience. Anything that's also not pure white paint will skew the colours. (I Recommend a proper screen)

2. You need to plan the room out before hand. Where is the projector itself going to go? you have to figure out what the best suited distance from the wall you will have your projector. And account for keystone issues depending on where you are going to mount the projector. (Mounting from a ceiling has different considerations for example than a floor unit or keeping it on a stand.

3. Seating - If your projector isn't ceiling mounted, you'll have to build your seating around not blocking the light. if your projector you get has a long throw requirement, that might be extremely difficult depending on the room size.

4. Quality and Brightness don't tend to really hold up compared to TV's of tday. Just the nature of having to always provide bright backlight. Lightbleed and contrast will not be as good. I don't even know if there are HDR projectors. if picture quality is your #1, than a TV is still probably better.

5. Sound system: Projectors don't have any. if you're someone who relies on internal TV for your audio, than you'll want to also invest in a receiver / speaker combination at minimum.

6. ANY external light source in the room will significantly impact performance. Yo'll want to figure out a way of blacking out any light coming in while you're watching
 
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Passing on a recommendation from a friend- take a look on eBay at Dell projectors. For whatever reason they’re substantially cheaper than mainstream brands like InFocus, Optima, Epson, BenQ, NEC, etc. I’m sure Dell doesn’t not manufacture their projectors but you could probably find out who does.

Just be careful you check the mfg specs and not trust what the seller says regarding the native aspect ratio (I imagine you want 16:9 or maybe 16:10 and not 4:3) and the resolution. For around $150 you should be able to find something decent that would work if you still want to go the projector route.
 
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Passing on a recommendation from a friend- take a look on eBay at Dell projectors. For whatever reason they’re substantially cheaper than mainstream brands like InFocus, Optima, Epson, BenQ, NEC, etc. I’m sure Dell doesn’t not manufacture their projectors but you could probably find out who does.

Just be careful you check the mfg specs and not trust what the seller says regarding the native aspect ratio (I imagine you want 16:9 or maybe 16:10 and not 4:3) and the resolution. For around $150 you should be able to find something decent that would work if you still want to go the projector route.
Also check on the costs of the replacement lamps - they can be pricey depending on the manufacturer.
 
This is the 3700 lumen Epson I have and love it - the lamp replacement is $100 which is only needed after 6000 hours:
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Lamp:
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Also check on the costs of the replacement lamps - they can be pricey depending on the manufacturer.

Absolutely. And this is another strike against projectors vs TVs. Generally OEM replacements are about $100, sometimes up to $150 for conventional LCD/DLP projectors. There are sometimes generic bulbs available but don’t know anything about them. I have yet to replace my bulb thankfully. Typically the brighter the projector, the shorter longevity of of the bulb.

Also note if you’re buying a used projector, the advertised lamp hours may or not be accurate. The timer can usually just be reset in the menu system. Or the bulb may have been replaced and not had the timer reset.

There are some (legitimate, not $100) LED projectors available. Obviously it would be expected an LED light source would last far longer than UHP Mercury or Metal Halide bulbs and be far more efficient. That said, these LEDs usually cannot be replaced if they fail and such projectors are expensive to begin with.

That brings up another point. Another issue with projectors is they use a bunch of power. So much energy is lost to heat. Maybe it’s in my head but I swear my projector could warm up the fairly large room I had it mounted in. LCD TVs are far more efficient.

Also, just a note about DLP versus LCD. LCD risks getting the “screen door effect”, especially when projecting larger sizes, due to spaces between the LCD pixels. LCD representation is generally worse, especially with dark colors. I know Epson has resolved this color issue by layering 3 LCD panels.

DLP technology is very interesting if your don’t know how it works, especially in relation to the human brain. Long story short, you don’t really have “pixels” in the traditional sense and kinda of seamlessly mesh, so you don’t have to worry about pixelation.

In fact, one of of our smaller conference rooms has a Dell 1280x800 (16:10) DLP projector, but accepts 1080p inputs and you really can’t tell the native resolution is lower. If you’re watching a video the lower resolution is even significant.

In fact, they still sell projectors with SVGA, XGA, and WXGA resolution despite 1080p+ being the norm.

I checked the model here and it’s called a Dell 1609wx. Amazingly they’re $50-150 on eBay. OEM replacement bulbs are like $60. I will note it works well with the lights on. Seems like a really good deal, especially compared to the crappy new projectors available at that cost.

That said, I will reiterate unless you have a specific reason where a projector makes sense, as I had, I think the OP is better off investing in a 70” 4K TV which can be bad for $600-700 last I checked. Better resolution, better quality image, ambient light isn’t an issue, better efficiency, you don’t have to worry about replacing expensive bulbs, you don’t have to figure out an audio solution, you don’t need a screen for best result, etc. And if you want the setup to look neat, a projector mount, some sort of cable management, etc adds additional cost.

If the OP does go the projector route, I highly recommend the Logitech Harmony universal remote system ($100-150 and up) that allows control and programming from your phone and optionally a single remote. Having a separate remote for the projector, sound system, cable box, DVD player, screen (if electric), etc is tedious. Apparently Logitech is discontinuing their Harmony products but some stores still have them in stock.
 
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Also, just a note about DLP versus LCD. LCD risks getting the “screen door effect”, especially when projecting larger sizes, due to spaces between the LCD pixels.
There are 2 downfalls of DLP, unfortunately.
1 doesn't affect everyone and that's seeing rainbows. Because DLP projectors only have 1 set of "pixels" which are tiny mirrors that are up when "on" and down when "off" they have to put a RGB color wheel between the white light source and the mirrors so they can create the colored video by regulating the pulses of RGB light by using the mirrors as the color wheel spins.
Unfortunately, for some of us, myself included, can see the color wheel spinning out of the corner of my eye, especially when there's white text or fast motion.
2. Those little mirrors that move that make up pixels will ultimately get stuck, creating either hot or dead pixels.
Once it starts happening, it will spread. It's just the nature of DLP and while many vendors offer free repairs, that's usually only the case if you have proof of purchase.
 
There are 2 downfalls of DLP, unfortunately.
1 doesn't affect everyone and that's seeing rainbows. Because DLP projectors only have 1 set of "pixels" which are tiny mirrors that are up when "on" and down when "off" they have to put a RGB color wheel between the white light source and the mirrors so they can create the colored video by regulating the pulses of RGB light by using the mirrors as the color wheel spins.
Unfortunately, for some of us, myself included, can see the color wheel spinning out of the corner of my eye, especially when there's white text or fast motion.
2. Those little mirrors that move that make up pixels will ultimately get stuck, creating either hot or dead pixels.
Once it starts happening, it will spread. It's just the nature of DLP and while many vendors offer free repairs, that's usually only the case if you have proof of purchase.

Yeah, I think I mentioned in a previous post some people have issues with the rainbow effect. This potential problem however can be reduced with “2x”, “3x”, “4x”, “6x” color wheels by increasing the number of color segments on the color wheel and in some cases increasing the motor rpm. Supposedly once you get up towards 300hz not even the most sensitive viewer is going to be able to see rainbow effects.

The new (legitimate) LED projectors (not sure about the $100 ones from Amazon) use DLP chips to reflect light on/off but use a rapidly sequencing RGB LEDs- basically the same idea as a standard DLP but apparently it’s very unlikely to cause rainbow artifacts as the color change is so fast.


It’s true that DLP projectors mirrors can fail. I think this was especially true on early models. But LCD projectors also are notorious for LCD panel and polarizer degradation, some more than others. They can also have stuck or frozen pixels. Though pretty unlikely LCDs can also suffer burn in.

The new consumer level Laser projectors use DLP as well.

Each technology has their advantages and disadvantages. I believe Epson and Sony are the only two big players who continue to develop LCD projector technology (I think Epson laser projectors do have DLP chips though). It seems like most the of the other big players have gone primarily down the DLP route (probably since it’s a cheaper technology).

Both get the job done but the best choice depends on on the use case and the specific model. There are good and not so good models of each. Obviously if you’re sensitive to rainbow artifacts don’t buy a DLP (or one that doesn’t have a fast enough color wheel).

In terms of longevity I think the most important thing is first to do your homework on the model for known problems. Secondly, assuming we’re talking about bulb illuminated projectors, ensure you keep the projector (and it’s operating environment) clean, regularly clean the filter, vents, and fan, and ensure it’s mounted/placed in an area with proper airflow. Additionally, allowing it to cool down after use. Obviously the bulbs get really hot and stay hot for some time. Letting the components roast with inhibited cooling is not good.

(My projector has two shut down modes. One that runs the fan for maybe like a 45 seconds after shutting off. The other one that ramps up the fan very fast upon shut-off for maybe 10 seconds. I always stuck with the longer mode as I figured it did a better job cooling).

I will go back to my original point in posting here. Unless you have a very specific need for a projector, just go with a 70”+ LCD TV. I’ve noticed the projectors at my hospital progressively be swapped out for giant TVs. Same with other offices and schools. It makes far more sense in just about every respect.
 
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