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Who is moving the Mac Pro specific Windows / Linux etc threads?

mattspace

mattspace

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Whichever moderator is doing this, please stop.

These are threads about the Mac Pro specifically. Some of them have been in here for years.

This group is not about Mac Pros running macOS, it's about anything done on a Mac Pro. Windows, Linux, Opencore, whatever; if a Mac Pro is the platform it's done upon, these threads belong here. The late Avro707's recent thread about dealing with MPX GPUs; something only found in a Mac Pro, under Windows, for example.

I know for certain I am not the only one concerned about the moderation that has been happening in this group of late. I think it's time for the regular posters in this group to hold an open, and frank discussion about what we want in our forum; why posts clearly about Mac Studios:

"Mac Pro to Mac Studio transition solutions"

...are allowed, while posts about the technical specifics of installing other operating systems on our Mac Pro hardware are not.

As a part of this discussion, I think there is a valid question to be asked as to whether the person(s) engaging in this accelerating trend of relocating threads is acting according to the wishes of the users of this group (should they be seeking our consent for moving threads), or acting according to their own personal preferences.

I may be wrong on this, being as flawed a person as any, but I don't think I am. What say you, folks?
 
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mattspace said:
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As a part of this discussion, I think there is a valid question to be asked as to whether the person(s) engaging in this accelerating trend of relocating threads is acting according to the wishes of the users of this group (should they be seeking our consent for moving threads), or acting according to their own personal preferences...
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This right here. Mac Pro users don't go into other forums spraying **** on their hardware like a hippo. The mods definitely tolerate and perhaps encourage it here. Maybe the mods should be required to own and operate a Mac Pro. In all seriousness, if the mods cannot comprehend the reason for Mac Pro's existence, and its vast potential, they don't belong here.

Increasingly, when there's any discussion of innovation on the Mac Pro, the naysayers flock in.

I'm definitely going to be discussing LLMs, Proxmox, etc. and ALL of that discussion belongs here, because a lot of the issues and capabilities at hand are exclusive to Mac Pro. We don't need a MacBook Air using mod coming in here and limiting our imaginations and scope of discussion.

Please fix this.
 
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Flint Ironstag said:
This right here. Mac Pro users don't go into other forums spraying **** on their hardware like a hippo.
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And the thing is, I posted a thread here for the community of this forum, as a bit of a mocking sledge at the Mac Studio, for having its configs cancelled for lack of higher RAM options in light of our ability to buy, and upgrade RAM whenever we like. An in-joke to be shared amongst the rest of us; the Mac Pro forum community. Then, the post gets moved to the Mac Studio forum, and now I look like exactly the sort of expletive deleted person we've all complained about coming into this forum to mock us / fansplain Apple's "wisdom" in cancelling our preferred machines.

So even though we don't actively do that, the moderators are making us into the people we complain about.
 
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If you want moderators and admins to see this, you should discuss it in the Site & Forum Feedback forum.
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I only spotted it here because I was scanning through New Posts.

Rather than move this thread, you can start a new thread in SFF, and adjust the wording so readers there will know what you're discussing. If there are specific examples you want mods and admins to consider, please use links to refer to them, rather than just descriptions.
 
mattspace said:
This group is not about Mac Pros running macOS, it's about anything done on a Mac Pro. Windows, Linux, Opencore, whatever; if a Mac Pro is the platform it's done upon, these threads belong here.
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I certainly think so as well. And if comments are moved to other sections, I will most likely miss them entirely.
Quite surprising if this is going to be the norm here.

So many comments lately have been dismissing the value of a Mac Pro 7,1 and promoting other hardware, that I have almost stopped commenting.
I come here to follow the discussions on its use. I am not going to go to the Mac Studio threads, to search for Mac Pro 7,1 content.

It’s sad enough that very few think it has reached a good value/price proposition.
First it was stupidly expensive, and now it is obsolete 🤷‍♂️
 
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chown33 said:
If you want moderators and admins to see this, you should discuss it in the Site & Forum Feedback forum.
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I only spotted it here because I was scanning through New Posts.

Rather than move this thread, you can start a new thread in SFF, and adjust the wording so readers there will know what you're discussing. If there are specific examples you want mods and admins to consider, please use links to refer to them, rather than just descriptions.
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Thanks for chiming in. To be honest, I rather expected (and frankly still expect) this thread to be nuked / moved, and to receive a warning / suspension for "discussing moderation issues".

I think this discussion should happen here, for a while, for the users of this forum to air their opinions / grievances, so that when it is taken to the mods forum in a new post, the issue is well hashed out. A consistent pattern I've seen in my discussions with fellow Mac Pro forum folks, is a lot of us don't participate in the wider MR community, so keeping this discussion here, where the people it concerns are reading and posting, is preferable.
 
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Perhaps we should start making Mac Pro to PowerPC Mac transition threads. 🙂 Why buy a Mac Studio when you can buy a Power Mac G5??

Kidding aside, I recently picked up a couple Mac mini G4s and I think they’re my new favourite Mac! For classic Mac apps of course. The Mac Pro 7,1 is still a great machine for modern apps. But wait, can’t Mac Ports on a PowerPC Mac with Snow Leopard do that?? 😉
 
SDAVE said:
Maybe this forum for Mac Pro should be moved to Legacy and let people post whatever they want?
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I don't think that's necessary - the value of this forum is that it's the one most concentrated place for finding answers on the Mac Pro. It's what comes up on a lot of search results, and I don't think the general vintage forum is an improvement for that utility.

I just think the moderation of this forum should be handled by someone with skin in the game.
 
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Seriously? You moved the thread.

This is just taking the piss. This thread needed to stay in the Mac Pro forum, so Mac Pro forum users would see it, and could add their opinions to the discussion.

Whoever it was that did this needs to be removed from their role, especially in light of @chown33 having already posted that it would be left where it was.
 
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If it is not seen by staff, no change is going to occur.

There is a redirect link still in the MP section, so members there will see the thread.

All member feedback on this issue is certainly welcome.
 
mattspace said:
This was for members of OUR group to discuss amongst ourselves first, so we could come to a consensus.
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Its not your group, its MacRumor's The staff and site owner has Macrumors organized in a way that benefits the majority of members and visitors.

It makes more sense to have macos topics in a macos forum, regardless if its on a Mac Pro or Mini. Likewise, if someone wants to run windows, Linux on a their mac, there's a forum for such topics.
 
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If it is not seen by staff, no change is going to occur.
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And as was clearly discussed in the thread, we didn't want it raised in the mod forum until we had discussed it amongst ourselves FIRST, so that once we decided on a position we all agreed with, then we could bring it up here (the mod forum, where it is now), more calmly, with a united, considered opinion.
 
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Now, since the mods have elected to steal our thread for their group, and since this exact behaviour, this failure to seek consent, this failure to consult is WHY he closed his account, I think it's reasonable to quote something Avro707 sent me before he left and had his account closed, regarding his thread in the Mac Pro forum, that was specifically about displays on MPX GPUs in Mac Pros, and was moved to the Windows forum:

No, I didn’t ask for it to be moved. Someone else did. I’m very annoyed with that and told them to delete the entire thing instead. They even put a Resolved tag when it wasn’t.

I’m not sticking about with that junk moderation.
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So congratulations moderators, you chased away one of the high-posting users in our group; someone who owned two of the highest spec systems on the board, and was an invaluable resource, given our limited quantity of datapoints.
 
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mattspace said:
I don't think that's necessary - the value of this forum is that it's the one most concentrated place for finding answers on the Mac Pro. It's what comes up on a lot of search results, and I don't think the general vintage forum is an improvement for that utility.

I just think the moderation of this forum should be handled by someone with skin in the game.
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It will be moved to Vintage soon enough since it's officially discontinued anyway...
 
mattspace said:
Now, since the mods have elected to steal our thread for their group, and since this exact behaviour, this failure to seek consent, this failure to consult is WHY he closed his account, I think it's reasonable to quote something Avro707 sent me before he left and had his account closed, regarding his thread in the Mac Pro forum, that was specifically about displays on MPX GPUs in Mac Pros, and was moved to the Windows forum:



So congratulations moderators, you chased away one of the high-posting users in our group; someone who owned two of the highest spec systems on the board, and was an invaluable resource, given our limited quantity of datapoints.
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I do agree here, even if it's related to Windows/Linux in the Mac Pro forum, it should stay there. After all Windows was officially supported via Bootcamp on the Mac Pro.

I had one of my threads moved about Mac Pro + Windows as well.
 
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SDAVE said:
Maybe this forum for Mac Pro should be moved to Legacy and let people post whatever they want?
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Why, it's still fully supported.

mattspace said:
I have no interest in using the MR forums if the Mac Pro forum isn't its own, separate thing. I strongly suspect amongst the Mac Pro forum community, I'm not alone in that.
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Mac Pro forum is 99.9% of why I'm here. You're not the only one.

Minis and 7,1 are perfect appliances. MBP I take onsite for administrative tasks. All the cool stuff happens on MP. When you search for MP solutions on Google, MR MP forum is consistently at the top. Why would y'all go and screw with that?

Let us get a MP user as a mod and be done with this petty crap. The people you actually want here won't be stifled by your pettiness, they'll simply leave and take their contributions elsewhere. You're shooting yourselves in the foot.
 
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maflynn said:
Its not your group, its MacRumor's The staff and site owner has Macrumors organized in a way that benefits the majority of members and visitors.
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I think you understood the intent of "our group". It's easy to forget it's the users who make your platform. Y'all should be happy to have such a small but passionate set of users who consider it "our group".

And if you don't see that, maybe we need to start "our group".

The man ain't asking for much. Give us latitude to discuss MP issues. Seriously mind-boggling to be talking to mods about this. It's ridiculous. We're discussing MP issues!!! 🤣
 
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Flint Ironstag said:
I think you understood the intent of "our group". It's easy to forget it's the users who make your platform. Y'all should be happy to have such a small but passionate set of users who consider it "our group".

And if you don't see that, maybe we need to start "our group".

The man ain't asking for much. Give us latitude to discuss MP issues. Seriously mind-boggling to be talking to mods about this. It's ridiculous. We're discussing MP issues!!! 🤣
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Uphill battle my friend...just letting you know..
 
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