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I think you're missing one important part of your title, Cops Can only Unlock Your Phone with a valid search warrant. If the police office cannot show probable cause of a crime to the court then it is illegal for them to forcibly do this. Read up on the touch ID case and you'll see that there was a lot of legal steps that had to be done before the individual was forced to open his phone.
 
I think you're missing one important part of your title, Cops Can only Unlock Your Phone with a valid search warrant. If the police office cannot show probable cause of a crime to the court then it is illegal for them to forcibly do this. Read up on the touch ID case and you'll see that there was a lot of legal steps that had to be done before the individual was forced to open his phone.

Yeah, people who freak out about this stuff need to learn about the "fruit of the poisonous tree."

EDIT: Wiki link for the lazy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
 
I use a passcode.

You cannot legally be compelled to provide a passcode.

And, quite frankly, in a stressful situation who the hell is going to remember how you're supposed to disable Face ID.
 
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Trumps America right here. If you don’t give up your rights you have something to hide. SMH.

Haha okay. I just think it's not something we really need to worry about. Cops can take a look at my girlfriends nudes on my phone or my conversations about fantasy football with my buddies if they want. It's just a non issue. Cops could place your finger on your home button now if they wanted to.
 
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Ridiculous post OP as Apple has already addressed this. Do you also worry about your significant other getting access to your phone while you sleep because of TouchID previously and now FaceID?
 
some of the stuff you guys worry about amazes me. do you have run ins with the cops often? if so you may have bigger issues you should be worrying about
I do not. But I also do not surrender my rights so willingly when I do.

It's not about hiding anything. It's about your legal rights guaranteed to you under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, documents many people say they hold dear to them.
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Ridiculous post OP as Apple has already addressed this. Do you also worry about your significant other getting access to your phone while you sleep because of TouchID previously and now FaceID?
You misunderstand the concept of privacy.
 
I do not. But I also do not surrender my rights so willingly when I do.

It's not about hiding anything. It's about your legal rights guaranteed to you under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, documents many people say they hold dear to them.
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You misunderstand the concept of privacy.

Enlighten us all on privacy rather than just stating I don't understand it.
 
I do not. But I also do not surrender my rights so willingly when I do.

It's not about hiding anything. It's about your legal rights guaranteed to you under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, documents many people say they hold dear to them.
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You misunderstand the concept of privacy.

Airports and other border crossings are an issue today, and the law isn't clear. Refusing to comply can land you in detention and your phone confiscated. Best to take steps beforehand, like removing sensitive/confidential data, etc.

It's also important to keep in mind that Face ID is not a security or privacy feature, it's a convenience feature.
 
I do not. But I also do not surrender my rights so willingly when I do.

It's not about hiding anything. It's about your legal rights guaranteed to you under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, documents many people say they hold dear to them.
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You misunderstand the concept of privacy.

then lock the phone or dont look at it. both are pretty easy solutions. why are you not worried about them forcing you to place your finger on touch id now?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/15/apple-iphone-x-faceid-disable-emergency/

a Court in Virginia Beach ruled in 2014 that while passcodes are protected by the Fifth Amendment, fingerprints are not. As a consequence, law enforcement officials in several other instances have placed suspects fingers on phones to unlock them. It's likely, therefore, that your face would be as equally fair game.

It is worth noting, however, that while law enforcement officers can unlock your phone without your consent, they can't search it without a warrant. Although it's hard to wonder how many will simply start scrolling anyway if they feel their cause is sufficiently just.
 
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Haha okay. I just think it's not something we really need to worry about. Cops can take a look at my girlfriends nudes on my phone or my conversations about fantasy football with my buddies if they want. It's just a non issue. Cops could place your finger on your home button now if they wanted to.
You don’t seem to value your or your girlfriend’s privacy very well.
 
Enlighten us all on privacy rather than just stating I don't understand it.
Privacy

In Constitutional Law, the right of people to make personal decisions regarding intimate matters; under the Common Law, the right of people to lead their lives in a manner that is reasonably secluded from public scrutiny, whether such scrutiny comes from a neighbor's prying eyes, an investigator's eavesdropping ears, or a news photographer's intrusive camera; and in statutory law, the right of people to be free from unwarranted drug testing and Electronic Surveillance .

The constitutional right to privacy protects the liberty of people to make certain crucial decisions regarding their well-being without government coercion, intimidation, or interference. Such crucial decisions may concern religious faith, moral values, political affiliation, marriage, procreation, or death. The federal Constitution guarantees the right of individuals to make these decisions according to their own conscience and beliefs. The government is not constitutionally permitted to regulate such deeply personal matters.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/privacy
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Airports and other border crossings are an issue today, and the law isn't clear. Refusing to comply can land you in detention and your phone confiscated. Best to take steps beforehand, like removing sensitive/confidential data, etc.

It's also important to keep in mind that Face ID is not a security or privacy feature, it's a convenience feature.
Absolutely.

The last time I crossed a border was in 1983 when I was 13 and heading to the United Kingdom with my parents and sister.

I have no cause to be anywhere near a border, hell I have no cause to be anywhere outside the Phoenix Metro area.

That said, I have other phones that can be used if I ever need to cross a border.

I will stand up for my rights, but I'm not going to be stupid over something like this. Border patrol wants to see a nice freshly restored iPhone 5 with stock Apple apps and no data - be my guest.
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then lock the phone or dont look at it. both are pretty easy solutions. why are you not worried about them forcing you to place your finger on touch id now?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/15/apple-iphone-x-faceid-disable-emergency/

a Court in Virginia Beach ruled in 2014 that while passcodes are protected by the Fifth Amendment, fingerprints are not. As a consequence, law enforcement officials in several other instances have placed suspects fingers on phones to unlock them. It's likely, therefore, that your face would be as equally fair game.

It is worth noting, however, that while law enforcement officers can unlock your phone without your consent, they can't search it without a warrant. Although it's hard to wonder how many will simply start scrolling anyway if they feel their cause is sufficiently just.
Scroll up and you will find my post where it says I use passcodes.

I don't use Touch ID because they CAN force you.
 
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You don’t seem to value your or your girlfriend’s privacy very well.

I am sure you are smart enough to see that it was just an example. I just think these things are overblown. Cops could do the same thing with Touch ID. They could also put a gun to your head and demand that you put in your passcode. I try not to worry about things I have no control over. As others have said, use a passcode or don't use Face ID. Either way, people can get access to your phone one way or another.
 
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Privacy

In Constitutional Law, the right of people to make personal decisions regarding intimate matters; under the Common Law, the right of people to lead their lives in a manner that is reasonably secluded from public scrutiny, whether such scrutiny comes from a neighbor's prying eyes, an investigator's eavesdropping ears, or a news photographer's intrusive camera; and in statutory law, the right of people to be free from unwarranted drug testing and Electronic Surveillance .

The constitutional right to privacy protects the liberty of people to make certain crucial decisions regarding their well-being without government coercion, intimidation, or interference. Such crucial decisions may concern religious faith, moral values, political affiliation, marriage, procreation, or death. The federal Constitution guarantees the right of individuals to make these decisions according to their own conscience and beliefs. The government is not constitutionally permitted to regulate such deeply personal matters.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/privacy
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Absolutely.

The last time I crossed a border was in 1983 when I was 13 and heading to the United Kingdom with my parents and sister.

I have no cause to be anywhere near a border, hell I have no cause to be anywhere outside the Phoenix Metro area.

That said, I have other phones that can be used if I ever need to cross a border.

I will stand up for my rights, but I'm not going to be stupid over something like this. Border patrol wants to see a nice freshly restored iPhone 5 with stock Apple apps and no data - be my guest.
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Scroll up and you will find my post where it says I use passcodes.

I don't use Touch ID because they CAN force you.

then dont use face id. what are you bitching about lol
 
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This is all really stupid. I use a burner phone for all my illegal activities so they can look at my other phones all they want LMAO
 
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