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My wife and I are considering getting an Apple TV 4K (2022), specifically the 128 GB version, which seems like a no-brainer compared to the 64 GB version for a $20 difference in price.

Right now, we have a Hisense 55U6G TV from 2021. We have some apps on the TV, which runs the older Android TV 9, then some others on a Fire Stick 4K from 2018. Some apps are kind of buggy on Android TV, specifically the Hallmark one my wife watches.

The bigger issue is our Fire Stick is always low on storage. Of the 8 GB on it, we're often down to 500-700 MB of free space, which isn't that much. We've gotten a couple messages here and there that low storage may impact streaming quality.

The Fire Stick UI is also very cluttered with a lot of ads. The stick runs Fire OS 6.xx, which I think is based off Android 7 Nougat.

We aren't too invested into the Amazon ecosystem - we don't have Prime, for instance. We do have a bunch of Apple devices, including a 2020 iMac, a 9th-gen iPad, an iPhone 12, and an iPhone 14.

We don't use Fitness+ or have a HomePod so those are not considerations. Apple Arcade may be of some interest if we get an Apple TV.

Any advice? Pros and cons?
 
Will be following this; I just got a Sony Bravia OLED with built-in Google TV, and its quite buggy too (get up to 3 different Home pages, and I can't control it!)
 
In an Apple-centric forum like this, asking people to recommend or not recommend Apple stuff is like going into one of the political party forums and asking which political party is best. The vast majority of Apple people will endorse Apple stuff. I try my best to be centrist, meaning I'm sometimes praising Apple and sometimes panning them. I try to think consumer before the corporation. That said...

IMO, AppleTV is a fantastic streaming device. I use it every day and I consider it highly underrated as a product, even by Apple Inc. themselves who still treat it like a hobby. In my home, they used to be occasional use devices typical of not-main-source-of-TV streamers, but then I added the Channels App and and SiliconDust HD Home Run boxes to basically turn them into TIVO DVR-like boxes for live television (free over the air and, optionally, cable via cablecard). That made it a daily use device. You might want to look into both. It can turn your iDevices and Mac into additional live television sources too.

The various problems you (OP) describe will be overcome with the 128GB latest & greatest version. Many people don't fill up the 64GB version. You are getting by on an 8GB stick, so the latter is 8X more and the former is 16X more. Either seems well beyond your needs driven by working within the boundaries of the stick. The biggest space hogs are big games. If you are a gamer and you collect a lot of tvOS games, you could overrun 64GB.

One doesn't have to be invested in the Apple ecosystem to get good use out of AppleTV. As originally spun, it is an "iPod for your television" and you may remember that iPod worked well with Windows PCs too (and this does as well). However, your "bunch of Apple devices" does imply you are well invested, so this will make better use of all of that.

In general, apps are pretty polished on AppleTV. Since Apple regularly refreshes the box, apps generally have to keep up with tvOS, so they aren't allowed to get "too buggy" (though few are bug free).

While AppleTV is not subsidized by ads like the stick, Apple is not shy about working every possible angle to sell their own services and push their own offerings that require purchases or subscriptions. In other words, if you think you will escape streaming box marketing by going AppleTV, think again. However, Apple is not nearly as "in your face" about it as the stick.

HomePod can be irrelevant to AppleTV. HPs can be used with AppleTV but so can every other speaker in the world. My strongest recommendation is to link AppleTV to a Receiver that feeds "dumb" speakers in a true surround sound setup. However, many people link it to a simple soundbar for faux surround sound or faux ATMOS and some just use TV speakers.
  • Vs. TV speakers, HPs will generally sound much better.
  • Vs. soundbar can get into "ear of the beholder" territory (depending on the soundbar).
  • Vs. true surround sound, HPs can't compete as stereo only (and there are ZERO rumors Apple aspires to grow that business into home theater surround sound competition).
As with ANY tech purchase, the most important thing is figuring out what you want to do with the thing you want to buy and then see if it does those things well. Make a list of apps and then check to see if those apps are available for AppleTV. I checked for the only one you named and there are Hallmark TV and Hallmark Movies Now apps for your wife. All of the big streamers are available for AppleTV too. But if you have some niche app you love on the stick, it may or may not be available for AppleTV... so you better check. Of course, nothing says both the stick you have and a new AppleTV can't co-exist.

As with all Apple things, they obsolete it in software every few years, so when you buy, you'll probably be replacing it in about 3-5 years much like iDevices. While pretty old ones can still function, the apps start "breaking" or app developers just outright stop supporting older devices no longer for sale.

Another con is that it's very much walled garden, so Apple must approve every app and many commonplace apps don't get through the gatekeepers. For example, a common want in any streaming box is some retro gaming/emulation. While there is plenty of horsepower to facilitate that, Apple wants us to buy/rebuy games vs. potentially being able to run games we already own and/or enjoy retro classics. Again, make a complete list of apps important to you and then check to see if those apps are all available on AppleTV.

Note that AppleTV the app and AppleTV the box are very different things... as different as iPhone the app (on iPhone) and iPhone the hardware device. Many people seem to get confused about what an AppleTV (box) can do for them since they already have the AppleTV app on their TV or other devices. The app is but a single app. Perhaps the best way to convey this is that the AppleTV app also exists on iDevices... but obviously iDevices do much more than only what one can do in that one app. Same here.

And lastly, I think one of the most overlooked AppleTV Apps is called "Computers" which is basically the one-stop-hub of all content you own. If you've ripped CDs into the Music app, Computers will offer up your music and playlists. If you've ripped BD or DVDs (or home movies), Computers will make all of those available. Your photo collection on your Mac is in Computers too. Etc. There are some other apps that get at some of that- especially via iCloud- but Computers can give you access to everything without paying a nickel for iCloud... IF you've got it on your own Mac or PC on the same network. Right behind the Channels app, Computers is my next most used app... and then comes big streamers like Youtube, Netflix, Amazon, Disney, etc. Many people don't even realize what the Computers app does but I consider it a massive core benefit of AppleTV since I have digitized all of my owned media, making any of it immediately playable at any time.

I hope this is helpful.
 
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Go for it!

This is a good time for making the move. I just got the current generation ATV a few months ago after having owned two of the previous versions over the years.

On the previous devices I was constantly frustrated with the ergonomics and functionality of the remote which made the otherwise attractive ATV a royal pain to use. The current generation has a new awesome remote and now I am totally happy.

You won't regret it.
 
I would go for it.
I've been using Apple TV pretty much since it's release and I can't imagine using anything else.
It's straightforward and goes so well into the Apple-ecosystem, especially if you upgrade to some HomePods later on.
 
If you have a game console like a series x or ps5, those are far better at steaming most things than an Apple TV. The YouTube and Netflix apps alone have more features and function far better. Apple TV doesn’t seem to get its apps updated much.

But if you don’t have those, Apple TV would be the next best thing. The base model would be sufficient
 
The Apple TV 4K HD box is an enormous improvement on an Amazon Fire Stick. It loads faster, it goes from one streaming platform to another faster, it doesn't crash, you don't have to clear the caches all the time to keep it working, the remote (which is also aesthetically superior) has a rechargable battery so you don't have to deal with that back panel that's a real pain to get off to change the batteries. I made this switch earlier this year and its one of the best purchases I ever made. I've since recommended the Apple TV box to relatives who are also very happy with it. You will not regret getting this.
 
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I have an Apple TV and a Sony Bravia and I love it. I just like the integration with the rest of my Apple Devices, and I think people said that the privacy is much better as well. I just wish more things were in 4K.
 
The Apple TV box is infinitely better than the Fire Stick. The Fire Stick, to me, is far and away the worst streaming device available. It feels like I'm using a UI that was originally intended to be advertising spam with streaming abilities as an afterthought. It is convoluted and completely unintuitive. If you use Apple devices you will love the integration with the Apple TV box. And even if you don't, it's still amazing, regardless.
 
I also try not to be too fan boyish about Apple stuff, a lot of which I own. I can only compare the ATV to the Rokus and smart TV interfaces I’ve had, and the ATV is miles better than those.

There’s a reference above to not escaping a bit of marketing on the ATV but I don’t know what the poster is referring to. Zero ads for me.

The interface is just simple, smooth and have beautiful screensavers, the likes of which I’ve not seen on other devices. As said, the deeper into Apple’s ecosystem you are, the better you’d like it.
 
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Apple TV is worth it. Simply put we purchased our 4th gen in 2015 when it came out and every family member that has visited me has purchased one. Super easy to use and also good amount of Apple TV games that we play with our PS4 controller. Probably doesn’t matter for most, but I have family members that enjoy Apple TV since their home country tv stations have apps and they can watch foreign live TV through Apple TV.
 
We're still using a 2017 Apple TV 4K. I would say that it's the best streaming box available and worth it even just for accessing the usual streaming apps. Quick, ad-free, generally bug-free.

If you have any media available on your local network I would also strongly recommend the (paid) app Infuse as an easy way to access that with metadata, cataloguing, synopsis, subtitles, etc. downloaded and available automatically.
 
I love the simplicity of the remote compared to a traditional tv one

My Sony remote has 37 badly laid out buttons , the atv remote 5 actually 4 if you discount the volume control , you just can’t get easier to use

Just bought my 83 year old mother one , she has no idea how to work a tv and even has problems with an iPad !

She absolutely loves the atv and uses it non stop now , life changing in her words

I think that says it all really
 
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