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Would you be satisfied with iOS 7 if it had all this?

ra4oasis

ra4oasis

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If iOS 7 did include these features:
New look/feel
Quick settings
New & improved lock screen
New & improved notifications
Siri improvements

But it did NOT include:
Setting different default apps
Better communication between apps
Dual window/split screen view so you could run 2 apps at once in the iPad
Better overall multitasking

Basically the festures listed in the first list I think are likely to happen, but I don't see the second list making the cut until ios 8, simply because the new look and feel will take so long to implement. Would the first festure list alone satisfy you?
 
I unfortunately agree that the ability to set default apps is probably not coming. But I really do think they've got to make a move in the area of communication between apps sooner rather than later. The workflow is just getting too cumbersome.
 
I would be satisfied. The fact that Chrome has a dev kit to allow even better integration than safari offers, and that email doesn't really need integration per say I'm comfortable with the default apps.

I'm really looking for a fresh look and some updated functionality without needing to be in individual apps.
 
WordMasterRice said:
I would be satisfied. The fact that Chrome has a dev kit to allow even better integration than safari offers, and that email doesn't really need integration per say I'm comfortable with the default apps.

I'm really looking for a fresh look and some updated functionality without needing to be in individual apps.
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same here, i want the new look more than tones of new features.
looking for a refreshed look, the old look is quite boring.
i would be satisfied with the list.
 
ra4oasis said:
If iOS 7 did include these features:
New look/feel
Quick settings
New & improved lock screen
New & improved notifications
Siri improvements

But it did NOT include:
Setting different default apps
Better communication between apps
Dual window/split screen view so you could run 2 apps at once in the iPad
Better overall multitasking

Basically the festures listed in the first list I think are likely to happen, but I don't see the second list making the cut until ios 8, simply because the new look and feel will take so long to implement. Would the first festure list alone satisfy you?
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This will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever .................happen.

ever
 
I would be satisified with the first list (include quick reply to messages)
Not really bothered with any features on the second list.
 
Actually that list would suit me just fine. I would be even happier if Apple would pull its finger out and offer me the same level of service (maps, Siri, etc.) here in the UK as they do in the US. I did not pay less for my iDevices than people in the US....
 
I would be fine with the first list, yes, but default apps get me. I know it's probably not coming, and it'll cause me to jailbreak my phone, but that's just me.
 
No, not really. For a year's worth of work, that's pretty pathetic.

As a developer myself, that's the kind of output I expect from just me. For a team of hundreds of experienced engineers in the world's richest company working on their absolute biggest product, it'd be a joke.

Either Apple doubles down on iOS, or they ship updates more frequently. They're killing themselves by not advancing the platform forward quickly enough; it's a waste of the power that's available in these devices.

One thing that really bugs me is Spotlight. It's got such a prominent position from the iOS home-screen, but it's so limited nobody bothers to use it much. If iOS had something closer to OSX's Spotlight, with structured metadata for data in 3rd-party apps, it would totally transform iOS.

If you took full advantage of Spotlight, you'd be able to integrate it with Siri for a start - "Find that email that John sent me a few weeks ago where he mentioned meeting up at WWDC", for example. You could have a little back-and-forth with Siri as she shows you results and you add filters: "No, that's not it. He said something about meeting at a Cafe in downtown SF".

This kind of thing is possible right now. The biggest problem is that constructing those search queries can be a little cumbersome; that's something that Siri could do really well as it understands natural language and builds the query for you.

And that's just the start - you could take it further and use it to build a UI for inter-app data access, too. Spotlight could show you all the documents the current App could open and let you search for the one you want.

That's just one example of one area where iOS is being forgotten.
 
Saladinos said:
No, not really. For a year's worth of work, that's pretty pathetic.

If you took full advantage of Spotlight, you'd be able to integrate it with Siri for a start - "Find that email that John sent me a few weeks ago where he mentioned meeting up at WWDC", for example. You could have a little back-and-forth with Siri as she shows you results and you add filters: "No, that's not it. He said something about meeting at a Cafe in downtown SF".
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I think the thread starter covered that with "Siri improvements"
 
iOS 7 and they haven't figured out how to accomplish multitasking so that it is efficient? When will they pay the 12 year old who has likely already figured this **** out while fiddling around after school in his/her bedroom? I'm pretty sure concepts have been made public if Apple prefers to save face too.
 
MonkeySee.... said:
This will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever .................happen.

ever
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I'm not so sure about that. Apple knows that their greatest platform strength at the moment is their app ecosystem. Fantastic mail, calendar, browser, alarm, notes, etc are being made and, if Apple is being honest with themselves, they are often better than Apple's. Apple should leverage the strength of their ecosystem. Especially because, for the most part, Apple doesn't care if you use their apps. Calendar or Fantastical. mail.app or mailbox. Apple doesn't (shouldn't) care! Their goal is to sell you their hardware for $500+ over and over again. They should simply allow 3rd party apps to build their ecosystem by using things like iCloud.
 
The feature I look forward to the MOST but that will probably never happen is universal sharing. :(
Example: pressing the 'Share' button when you have a photo open brings up a menu of any and all programs that will accept an image - any email app, any photo editor app, any social networking app (different Twitter clients, etc.), different various other apps like Evernote, Dropbox, Droplr, etc., etc.
Oh, well... a person can dream... :D

Edit: obviously as long as these apps are installed on your phone...
 
Mad Mac Maniac said:
I'm not so sure about that. Apple knows that their greatest platform strength at the moment is their app ecosystem. Fantastic mail, calendar, browser, alarm, notes, etc are being made and, if Apple is being honest with themselves, they are often better than Apple's. Apple should leverage the strength of their ecosystem. Especially because, for the most part, Apple doesn't care if you use their apps. Calendar or Fantastical. mail.app or mailbox. Apple doesn't (shouldn't) care! Their goal is to sell you their hardware for $500+ over and over again. They should simply allow 3rd party apps to build their ecosystem by using things like iCloud.
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I'm probably missing something obvious, but to me, the browser is really the only type of app that would really benefit from setting a default app out of all the bundled apps. None of the rest are really called from other apps except the phone app. Third party calendar, photo, contact, etc. apps can all read/write to the default libraries.

The only other exceptions are the slide in email/text/tweet/post sheets, but they work for me.

I use Mailbox as my mail client and haven't run into any workflow problems because it's not registered as a "default app" somewhere.
 
If iOS7 isn't cool I am ok with 6 and just staying with that on my 5, however if I upgrade to 7 and get poor battery life, that will PO me even more, bad enough I can not make it a full day on a charge now, but understand I use my phone a lot especially for company email, so thus why I have a Mophie Power Pack.

I just want to see what 7 offers, I would prefer an easy way to turn on Settings like the way Android does it, going into Settings now is a pain. I need a quick way of toggling BT, WiFi, LTE and some other features.
 
I could see Apple allowing different default apps, eventually. Maybe in iOS 8 or 9. Think about the fact that basically every major gripe in iOS has been addressed in the past. Going all the way back to lack of copy/paste, then notification center, multitasking, now the new look & feel, sounds like we'll probably get quick settings, these have all been features people have been begging for. People are starting to really ask for different default apps. It might take longer than we want, but I would not at all be surprised if we could someday set Chrome as our default browser, and Google Maps as our default Map app.
 
BaldiMac said:
I'm probably missing something obvious, but to me, the browser is really the only type of app that would really benefit from setting a default app out of all the bundled apps. None of the rest are really called from other apps except the phone app. Third party calendar, photo, contact, etc. apps can all read/write to the default libraries.

The only other exceptions are the slide in email/text/tweet/post sheets, but they work for me.

I use Mailbox as my mail client and haven't run into any workflow problems because it's not registered as a "default app" somewhere.
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Apps I can reasonably see benefiting (and how):
Safari: as you mention
Maps: open when clicked on links in browser/mail/apps
Mail: When emailing from browser/apps. Yes it does make a difference, because it could use the email client's UI, signature, accounts that you are logged in to
Calendar: Clicking on dates/times in mail to create event. Using Siri to create events
Photos: Having your Photo viewer of preference automatically add all photos when taken
Camera: Being able to select from lock screen
Weather: appear in notification center
Stocks: appear in notification center
Reminders: Using siri to create reminders
Notes: Using Siri to make notes
Clock: create alarms with Siri


And there are probably more instances, but I'm stopping now. Haha. Sure some of those might be a bit of a stretch. I mean most people won't cares if Siri sets an alarm with the clock app or another one... but 3rd party apps can create a lot more custom alarms, so there ya go.

But the main apps that I think most people talk about wanting are safari, mail, and maps. But 2 more that are important to me are camera and weather (for notification center). The ONLY reason I use camera instead of camera+ is because of the lock screen shortcut.
 
Even more than default apps, they need to draw some inspiration from Android's app communication framework. The OS knows what apps are email clients, photo editors, etc. So when I choose to share by email, it would ask me which app I'd like to use. Very useful if say, I use Gmail for one account and Mail for another.

Or if I'm in the photo gallery I can "Open With" and I'm given a list of anything that can support opening a photo instead of having to first open the app and then find the photo again.
 
Mad Mac Maniac said:
Apps I can reasonably see benefiting (and how):
Safari: as you mention
Maps: open when clicked on links in browser/mail/apps
Mail: When emailing from browser/apps. Yes it does make a difference, because it could use the email client's UI, signature, accounts that you are logged in to
Calendar: Clicking on dates/times in mail to create event. Using Siri to create events
Photos: Having your Photo viewer of preference automatically add all photos when taken
Camera: Being able to select from lock screen
Weather: appear in notification center
Stocks: appear in notification center
Reminders: Using siri to create reminders
Notes: Using Siri to make notes
Clock: create alarms with Siri


And there are probably more instances, but I'm stopping now. Haha. Sure some of those might be a bit of a stretch. I mean most people won't cares if Siri sets an alarm with the clock app or another one... but 3rd party apps can create a lot more custom alarms, so there ya go.

But the main apps that I think most people talk about wanting are safari, mail, and maps. But 2 more that are important to me are camera and weather (for notification center). The ONLY reason I use camera instead of camera+ is because of the lock screen shortcut.
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I'll give you Maps (I knew I missed something :)), but the rest are stretches. Basically third party widgets, Siri integration, and lock screen access. Not simply making apps "default".

As I said earlier, third party apps can already access the photo, contact and calendar libraries. And Apple's Mail can be set with any signatures or accounts you want to use for outgoing messages. (And you can already use Siri to create reminders and notes in third party apps.)

I absolutely realize that there are some small compromises in my post, but my point was that the "default apps" issue isn't as big an issue as it seems at first glance. I still believe Safari being the default browser is the primary complaint (with Maps a strong number two!). And I see why Apple would be very careful with the default browser for security and performance reasons.
 
BaldiMac said:
I absolutely realize that there are some small compromises in my post, but my point was that the "default apps" issue isn't as big an issue as it seems at first glance. I still believe Safari being the default browser is the primary complaint (with Maps a strong number two!). And I see why Apple would be very careful with the default browser for security and performance reasons.
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Mail's a huge one too. I want to use Gmail for my personal mail but Mail for my work mail. When I want to share something from an app by email, I'd like to be able to choose which app I'm sending from.

And while apps can access the photo library, it's still cumbersome. If I'm looking at a photo I want to Instagram after the fact, I've got to close Photos, open Instagram, and find the photo again. Instead of just click Share > Instagram.
 
fivedots said:
Mail's a huge one too. I want to use Gmail for my personal mail but Mail for my work mail. When I want to share something from an app by email, I'd like to be able to choose which app I'm sending from.
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Why? I use Mailbox as my mail client, but I have no problems sending mail with the system Mail sheet. Just set up the account in the iOS Mail app, turn off notifications for that account, and set fetch to manual. Sent mail shows up in the Gmail app just as if you sent it from the Gmail app.

And while apps can access the photo library, it's still cumbersome. If I'm looking at a photo I want to Instagram after the fact, I've got to close Photos, open Instagram, and find the photo again. Instead of just click Share > Instagram.
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Sure, but that's a sharing issue, not a default app issue.
 
BaldiMac said:
Why? I use Mailbox as my mail client, but I have no problems sending mail with the system Mail sheet. Just set up the account in the iOS Mail app, turn off notifications for that account, and set fetch to manual. Sent mail shows up in the Gmail app just as if you sent it from the Gmail app.
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Sure, that works, but it's a clumsy workaround to an issue that is more elegantly resolved by adding this functionality to the OS.

It falls under the same idea as sharing below. Instead of each app building out it's own list of supported apps to share with, it's done at the OS level. So perhaps it not so much a default issue but rather a "let me choose from a list of apps that support what I'm trying to do" issue.


Sure, but that's a sharing issue, not a default app issue.
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Agreed.
 
fivedots said:
Sure, that works, but it's a clumsy workaround to an issue that is more elegantly resolved by adding this functionality to the OS.
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I disagree that it's clumsy in any practical way. I haven't run into any downsides. :)
 
BaldiMac said:
I disagree that it's clumsy in any practical way. I haven't run into any downsides. :)
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Requiring a user to setup a dummy email account solely for the purpose of sending emails from within other apps is clumsy. Having the same email account setup in two apps is clumsy.

What if I want to exclusively use the Gmail app because I prefer composing my emails in it? After all, it's an email app and that's what it's for.

It's as clumsy as every email link I click online opening Outlook by default on my Windows machine.
 
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