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Two articles in 23 May 05 Wall Street Journal do not reflect well on Tim Cook. In particular I felt a bit less of him after reading the Child Safety Legislation Article.

1. "Tim Cook's Bad Year Just Keep's getting Worse"
Written by Rolfe Winkler
"First 2 paragraphs"
For Tim Cook, the hits keep coming.
On Friday, President Trump targeted Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle with new demands that the company make iPhones in the U.S., threatening 25% tariffs if the company doesn’t comply. “Rise and shine Tim Cook,” Trump whisperer Laura Loomer posted on X, reminding the Apple CEO he is at the center of the president’s trade bull’s-eye.

That is just one of the threats Cook has confronted in what has appeared to be a no good, very bad year for Apple. Aside from Trump, Cook is facing off against two U.S. judges, European and worldwide regulators, state and federal lawmakers, and even a creator of the iPhone, to say nothing of the cast of rivals outrunning Apple in artificial intelligence.
Each is a threat to Apple’s hefty profit margins, long the company’s trademark and the reason investors drove its valuation above $3 trillion before any other company. Shareholders are still Cook’s most important constituency. The stock’s 25% fall from its peak shows their concern about whether he—or anyone—can navigate the choppy 2025 waters.


The WSJ Tech Exclusive has an article regarding
2. "Tim Cook made to a phone call Texas Governor to stop online Child-Safety Legislation."
Written by Rolfe Wainkler, Amrith Ramkumar and Meghan Bobowsky
"First 3 paragraphs"

Key Points

. Apple is fighting Texas legislation requiring age verification for app store users.

. Tim Cook contacted Texas Gov. Abbott to request changes or a veto of the bill.

. Tech companies are lobbying around the U.S., disagree on whether app stores or apps should verify ages.

Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle stepped up efforts in recent weeks to fight Texas legislation that would require the iPhone-maker to verify ages of device users, even drafting Chief Executive Tim Cook into the fight.

The CEO called Texas Gov. Greg Abbott last week to ask for changes to the legislation or, failing that, for a veto, according to people familiar with the call. These people said that the conversation was cordial and that it made clear the extent of Apple’s interest in stopping the bill.

Abbott has yet to say whether he will sign it, though it passed the Texas legislature with veto-proof majorities.

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Reading the articles left me feeling cold toward Mr Cook. I realize he has many resources and short time to manage with Trump Tariffs and China. Could he have seen the forfeitures of loss in China before now? I certainly do not wish to pay more for an expensive iPhone! A new product has never been introduced with Mr. Cook in his current position.

Should the app store verify the age and not the individual app. If you as an individual were forced to make the later choice could it be struck down on free speech grounds? Is Mr Cook Apple CEO or a Lobbyist in Washington? It seems he is currently working at both. A Million to his Trump campaign, in Washington last week, and now the phone calls to a Governor regarding not signing . If can't come up with a product he is certainly not going to let the app store lose business.

As I, do you feel it is time for a new CEO?
 
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Two articles in 23 May 05 Wall Street Journal do not reflect well on Tim Cook. In particular I felt a bit less of him after reading the Child Safety Legislation Article.

1. "Tim Cook's Bad Year Just Keep's getting Worse"
Written by Rolfe Winkler
"First 2 paragraphs"
For Tim Cook, the hits keep coming.
On Friday, President Trump targeted Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle with new demands that the company make iPhones in the U.S., threatening 25% tariffs if the company doesn’t comply. “Rise and shine Tim Cook,” Trump whisperer Laura Loomer posted on X, reminding the Apple CEO he is at the center of the president’s trade bull’s-eye.

That is just one of the threats Cook has confronted in what has appeared to be a no good, very bad year for Apple. Aside from Trump, Cook is facing off against two U.S. judges, European and worldwide regulators, state and federal lawmakers, and even a creator of the iPhone, to say nothing of the cast of rivals outrunning Apple in artificial intelligence.
Each is a threat to Apple’s hefty profit margins, long the company’s trademark and the reason investors drove its valuation above $3 trillion before any other company. Shareholders are still Cook’s most important constituency. The stock’s 25% fall from its peak shows their concern about whether he—or anyone—can navigate the choppy 2025 waters.


The WSJ Tech Exclusive has an article regarding
2. "Tim Cook made to a phone call Texas Governor to stop online Child-Safety Legislation."
Written by Rolfe Wainkler, Amrith Ramkumar and Meghan Bobowsky
"First 3 paragraphs"

Key Points

. Apple is fighting Texas legislation requiring age verification for app store users.

. Tim Cook contacted Texas Gov. Abbott to request changes or a veto of the bill.

. Tech companies are lobbying around the U.S., disagree on whether app stores or apps should verify ages.

Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle stepped up efforts in recent weeks to fight Texas legislation that would require the iPhone-maker to verify ages of device users, even drafting Chief Executive Tim Cook into the fight.

The CEO called Texas Gov. Greg Abbott last week to ask for changes to the legislation or, failing that, for a veto, according to people familiar with the call. These people said that the conversation was cordial and that it made clear the extent of Apple’s interest in stopping the bill.

Abbott has yet to say whether he will sign it, though it passed the Texas legislature with veto-proof majorities.

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Reading the articles left me feeling cold toward Mr Cook. I realize he has many resources and short time to manage with Trump Tariffs and China. Could he have seen the forfeitures of loss in China before now? I certainly do not wish to pay more for an expensive iPhone! A new product has never been introduced with Mr. Cook in his current position.

Should the app store verify the age and not the individual app. If you as an individual were forced to make the later choice could it be struck down on free speech grounds? Is Mr Cook Apple CEO or a Lobbyist in Washington? It seems he is currently working at both. A Million to his Trump campaign, in Washington last week, and now the phone calls to a Governor regarding not signing . If can't come up with a product he is certainly not going to let the app store lose business.

As I, do you feel it is time for a new CEO?
The Wall Street Journal like every other news outlet out there doesn’t publish news. They publish editorials based on whoever is controlling them.. It doesn’t mean the Wall Street Journal is more or less reputable, but they’re just pushing an opinion.


As to do I feel it’s time for a new CEO? No absolutely not. Tim Cook’s purpose as CEO is to ensure he does everything in his power to make Apple as successful as it can be to benefit the shareholders. That’s it. If there’s something that’s going to hurt Apple when it comes to making money, his job is to be against it. It doesn’t matter whether that thing is best for society, your children or whomever. He’s a CEO and he’s doing CEO things. That’s his priority.


I disagree with Tim on a lot of things, but I think he’s an outstanding CEO for Apple.
 
The two items have nothing to do with another and in my opinion are not a poor reflection of Cook. One is a trade or tarrif item and the other is a law designed for poor parenting.

I don’t know how providers of online services are to verify the ages of anybody without putting in PII before hand.
 
Two articles in 23 May 05 Wall Street Journal do not reflect well on Tim Cook. In particular I felt a bit less of him after reading the Child Safety Legislation Article.

1. "Tim Cook's Bad Year Just Keep's getting Worse"
Written by Rolfe Winkler
"First 2 paragraphs"
For Tim Cook, the hits keep coming.
On Friday, President Trump targeted Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle with new demands that the company make iPhones in the U.S., threatening 25% tariffs if the company doesn’t comply. “Rise and shine Tim Cook,” Trump whisperer Laura Loomer posted on X, reminding the Apple CEO he is at the center of the president’s trade bull’s-eye.

That is just one of the threats Cook has confronted in what has appeared to be a no good, very bad year for Apple. Aside from Trump, Cook is facing off against two U.S. judges, European and worldwide regulators, state and federal lawmakers, and even a creator of the iPhone, to say nothing of the cast of rivals outrunning Apple in artificial intelligence.
Each is a threat to Apple’s hefty profit margins, long the company’s trademark and the reason investors drove its valuation above $3 trillion before any other company. Shareholders are still Cook’s most important constituency. The stock’s 25% fall from its peak shows their concern about whether he—or anyone—can navigate the choppy 2025 waters.


The WSJ Tech Exclusive has an article regarding
2. "Tim Cook made to a phone call Texas Governor to stop online Child-Safety Legislation."
Written by Rolfe Wainkler, Amrith Ramkumar and Meghan Bobowsky
"First 3 paragraphs"

Key Points

. Apple is fighting Texas legislation requiring age verification for app store users.

. Tim Cook contacted Texas Gov. Abbott to request changes or a veto of the bill.

. Tech companies are lobbying around the U.S., disagree on whether app stores or apps should verify ages.

Apple AAPL -3.02%decrease; red down pointing triangle stepped up efforts in recent weeks to fight Texas legislation that would require the iPhone-maker to verify ages of device users, even drafting Chief Executive Tim Cook into the fight.

The CEO called Texas Gov. Greg Abbott last week to ask for changes to the legislation or, failing that, for a veto, according to people familiar with the call. These people said that the conversation was cordial and that it made clear the extent of Apple’s interest in stopping the bill.

Abbott has yet to say whether he will sign it, though it passed the Texas legislature with veto-proof majorities.

-----
Reading the articles left me feeling cold toward Mr Cook. I realize he has many resources and short time to manage with Trump Tariffs and China. Could he have seen the forfeitures of loss in China before now? I certainly do not wish to pay more for an expensive iPhone! A new product has never been introduced with Mr. Cook in his current position.

Should the app store verify the age and not the individual app. If you as an individual were forced to make the later choice could it be struck down on free speech grounds? Is Mr Cook Apple CEO or a Lobbyist in Washington? It seems he is currently working at both. A Million to his Trump campaign, in Washington last week, and now the phone calls to a Governor regarding not signing . If can't come up with a product he is certainly not going to let the app store lose business.

As I, do you feel it is time for a new CEO?
Judging from your posting history, you have hate on Cook a lot anyways, it seems to be the majority of your post actually. What would you have him do? He's CEO of a company bigger than most countries. You don't think the other magnificent 7 go over this?
 
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XBox hate is a very strong word. You must use it often. No sir, I do not hate Tim Cook. As CEO his job to make the difficult calls that reflect well on share price as well the board and shareholders he answers to. While I am critical of him it has been prosperous to short APPL which is sad It pays a nice dividend yet shares from a high of 280's to 224 today. The only recourse he has utilized to increase shares price lately is shareholder buybacks. Any evidence from from R&D besides a car to write off?

As you mentioned the CEO does reflect greatly on value and growth. Research and Development in the Mag 7 reflect well when accomplished. R&D in NVDIA has provided the Blackwell and Rubin chips. SMCI had a great share price then due to GAAP accounting principals it has dropped. I feel Huang will bring it back. META is out for talent and Mark is paying millions for it. Glance at the chart's climb. I wasn't a Zuckerberg fan yet, his accomplishments in R&D and share price has made many wealthy going long. Love my Macs yet focus on the evidence of change Mr. Nadella has accomplished for MSFT. His initial investments in "pardon me" I beleive 2015 or 2017 of a biliion or two accomplished a great feat in his goal toward AI. This was accomplished on the cusp of Mr. Ballmer leaving. Was it time for Steve Ballmer to leave? My main memory of him was making fun of Steve Jobs and the iPhone. https://quotefancy.com/quote/108011...-phone-business-or-a-RIM-and-they-can-do-very
So many prominent writers and investors on the lack of AI in an Apple. To accomplish catching up will they have to do a purchase. That is my main disappoiintment in Mr. Cook is the lack of focus on AI. Also fous on yesterday's introduction of Google 10 phone.

I agree with I7Guy. It was a mistake of posting two subjects in one initial post.
 
Tim Cook became ceo in August of of 2011 and criticism probably began on his first day.

Has he made mistakes? Yes. Did Steve Jobs make mistakes? Absolutely. Is he running apple the way Steve Jobs did? No, and in fact Jobs told Cook not to try to run apple that way. He has to run apple the way he sees fit, not how Jobs might have.

Apple was worth about 300 billion dollars in august of 2011. Today apple is worth 3.34 trillion dollars, letting chatgpt do the math for me, that's a grown of 889%

Under Cook's leadership Apple has released the following products and services. Not all a huge hits, some could be qualified as flops but apple has been rolling out new products under his leadership. This doesn't include the updates/refreshes of their various product lines.

Products:
Apple Watch (2015)
AirPods/Pro/Max (2016, 2019, 2020)
HomePod (2018)
HomePod mini (2020).
Apple Silicon (2020)
Mac Studio desktop (2020)
AirTag (2021)
Apple Vision Pro (2024)

Services:
Apple Card (2019)
Apple TV+ (2019)
Apple Arcade (2019)
Apple Fitness+ (2020)
Apple One (2020)

I think any and every metric used to measure how well a ceo is doing, Cook has completely succeeded. Does apple have some strong headwinds and issues in the near future? Sure. Is Cook the right one to navigate the tricky waters of what apple is facing? So far yes.
 
So many prominent writers and investors on the lack of AI in an Apple. To accomplish catching up will they have to do a purchase. That is my main disappoiintment in Mr. Cook is the lack of focus on AI.
Unless the AI bubble bursts ...that's when the companies who have actually continued to make products that punters actually want will fare better.


...and then there's the report from MIT adding to the chorus of little boys pointing out that the Emperor is looking a bit chilly: https://slashdot.org/story/25/08/19...generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-are-failing

(Slashdot link because the actual article doesn't seem to be public access).

Articles aside, AI looks like a bubble, wobbles like a bubble so it will probably go 'pop' like a bubble. That doesn't mean it won't be an important technology in the future, just that there may be a rapid unscheduled devaluation of AI-releated stocks as the speculators move on to the next black tulip. Question is, is there really a sustainable customer demand for AI once efficiency-seeking MBAs realise that it doesn't actually improve efficiency? Apart from destroying social media with AI-generated slop, that is. Actual human beings seem to be more interested in how to turn off the unhelpful AI features once the novelty has worn off - and companies like MA seem desperate to try and force it on people (Recall, anybody?)

Of course, Apple have done just enough on AI to take a hit if it crashes - and there will be collateral damage to all the tech stocks - but, at this stage, just licensing what they need to improve Siri etc. from OpenAI et. al. rather than betting the farm on their own models might be the safest course at this point.
 
Were you an investor through the .dot com bubble? The speculation relied heavily on the promise of profitability rather than actual earnings which led to a frenzy as you described as the Tulip bulb frenzy. Investors were overlooking traditional financial fundamentals in their analysis. I would ask you to please refer to financial statements of the Mag 7 and others that are on the manufacturing, hardware, or software side at this time. are we seeing losses or income from the 7? It may not last as long as many feel yet, I feel it is here within our future. I also read the MIT study stating companies utilizing AI did not feel they were not seeing the true benefits at this time. In a private service I subcribe to Oracle could become one of the Magnificent within the next three years if their financial numbers keep up with current predictions.

Among the Magnificent Seven tech stocks, Apple’s performance is the second from the least this year and last quarter of past year. A core area Apple has focused on is the services sector. Their reported services revenue of $27.4 billion for its fiscal third quarter ended June 28 which is almost a third of its total revenue of $94 billion. I feel they have an incredible ecosystem and mote yet, I feel they have underutilized Siri with the tremendous capacity of AI. A planned introduction in June 24 was postponed to this year, then earlier in 25 pushed off until 26. Can they figure out how to apply AI to Siri?

Apple introductions have always been kept a mystery. I truly hope this tradition is within that realm. In addition, I sincerely wish to see the wow factor come back. It has been lacking in previous years.

Investor Business Daily wrote in this manner in a column titled "Apple Is Not AI-OK. The renowned innovator hardly rates a mention as rivals race into artificial intelligence. Can it flip the switch?" It was written by Patrick Seitz & Benjamin Pimentel. Daniel Ives an analyst for Wedbush stated.“With the AI revolution, Apple is on the outside looking in,” “This is an F1 race at Monza in Italy, and Cook is watching it from the stands.” "This Formula 1 showdown of tech will shift focus Sept. 9 to Apple Park in Cupertino, California, where the company will um-veil the latest version of its flagship products."

Within my disagreement with Mr. Cook as CEO I am no less of a fan. I have utilized Mac products for many years and will continue to do so.

I will end this on counter-replies as I find many are content with the performance of Apple or the introduction or lack of new hardware. I simply miss the financial growth and "wow" factor that hasn't been here.

Thank you for allowing me to express my opinions.
 
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