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Sep 4, 2007, 10:53 AM
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Last week, Apple sent out invitations for a media event (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/apple-event-september-5th-2007/) on September 5th, 2007. The invitations pictured Apple's Cover Flow interface as well as a scene from the Mi Swing Es Tropical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDXmCKLPFtY&mode=related&search=) iPod ad. The caption on the invite reads "The beat goes on." Based on this alone, it seems clear that Apple will be updating their iPod line which has been long overdue (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#iPod).

In the months leading up to this event, however, we've seen a surprising amount of evidence pointing to specific changes to Apple's iPod line.

In evaluating rumors for accuracy, we typically rely on the previous accuracy of the source - whether its a website or an individual. Historically, however, the most telling sign of a rumor's legitimacy has been Apple Legal's involvement.

iPod Nano

Apple's legal team got involved in two specific instances in the past few months.

In July, we posted (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/21/6g-ipod-user-interface-redesign-and-videos/) user interface videos for the upcoming iPod revision. The authenticity of the videos was the topic of much debate... until Apple asked several sites, including Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpYWvKXJgC4), to pull the videos. The video interface reflected a more animated interface, with the addition of several features such as Cover Flow and iPhoto Events.

In July, 9to5mac (http://www.9to5mac.com) first posted (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/17/imac-revision-and-ilife-on-august-7th/) a mockup of shorter/wider looking iPods. Though initially met with skepticism, ThinkSecret corroborated (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/26/6g-ipod-coming-in-august/) the design in late July. 9to5 later posted expected colors (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/18/new-ipod-nano-colors/) of the Nano as well as spy photos (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/22/ipod-nano-photos/). The photos drew the attention of Apple Legal and resulted in a number of sites receiving cease and desist letters to remove the leaked photo. The photo essentially confirmed the shorter ratio of the upcoming Nano and led to a number of mockups (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/the-beat-goes-on-nano-touch-beatles-wireless/).

While some will continue to argue that these interfaces and photos simply represent prototypes that Apple never intends to ship, we feel its far more likely that these do represent iterations of the new iPod Nano design which will be released tomorrow.

iPod Touch

If we assume that 9to5 had legitimate information about the iPod Nano, we should pay special attention to their claims of a full size iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/23/ipod-touch-details/) which they are calling the iPod Touch. This revision (mocked up here (#" onClick="jkpopimage('http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/02/4p9bzpc.png', 421, 428, ''); return false)) claims to be a thicker, iPhone-like device with OS X with a 480x320 pixel screen.

Wireless

Last week, we initially reported (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/the-beat-goes-on-nano-touch-beatles-wireless/) on the possibility of wireless connectivity in the iPod. This week additional reports (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/03/apple-to-unveil-new-flash-based-ipods-digital-radio/) have claimed that Wifi and possibly digital radio will be coming to the new iPods.

Based on the increasing number of reports as well as tidbits we've heard, it seems very likely that the iPods will finally gain some wireless connectivity.

Other

Other possibilities tossed around include Ringtones (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/31/apple-to-launch-ringtone-service/), Beatles, and Apple producing its own content (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/04/apple-to-push-video-for-ipod-and-produce-its-own-content/).

Coverage

We will not be able to provide MacRumorsLive coverage for this event, but will link to other sources of live coverage as the event approaches.

We also offer the following options:

- SMS Updates (http://www.macrumors.com/lists/) for those unable to watch the event live.
- Spoiler Free Keynote Stream (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/02/the-beat-goes-on-spoiler-free-keynote-stream/) for those who want to watch the keynote and be surprised.

MacRumors.com (http://www.macrumors.com) will be updated during the event with new announcements, and our forums (http://forums.macrumors.com) will remain open for live reaction and discussion about the announcements.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/04/the-beat-goes-on-rumor-roundup/)



newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 10:55 AM
My predictions:

WIFI (YES, WIFI)

Internet radio

some other type of wireless thing.

I also think that it's not going to be extremely expensive; it's just not the Apple way.

EVERYONE: READ MY OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT!! HERE IT IS::
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4126305#post4126305

rockstarjoe
Sep 4, 2007, 10:56 AM
I'm excited! Thanks for the great roundup :)

dalvin200
Sep 4, 2007, 10:58 AM
no coverage? awww..

BKKbill
Sep 4, 2007, 10:58 AM
Wireless connectivity in the iPod my daughter will just love this. I'm interested in what Sept. 5 will bring. Not long now.

CJD2112
Sep 4, 2007, 10:59 AM
Question: As there is speculation that the iPods will have WiFi and thus a possibility to connect wirelessly to the iTunes store to purchase music (and some speculation that there might be wireless syncing via bluetooth in the works), will this capability be added via iTunes and a new iTunes mobile store for the iPhone as well? As an iPhone owner, I would hate to see features released for new iPods but not incorporated into the pricier and well equipped iPhone line. Just curious on any thoughts. Thanks!

iJawn108
Sep 4, 2007, 11:02 AM
-bluetooth headphones :eek:

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 11:04 AM
If there is a wireless store for the iPod though, I'm 100% sure they WILL update the iPhone with a firmware update. Apple will be careful and give the iPhone more capability. What do y'all think (in the words of a southerner!)

nemaslov
Sep 4, 2007, 11:05 AM
Maybe Apple will market this film with the new widescreen iPod since the remasterd and restored DVD comes out end of October (just announced today). Now I really doubt Beatles music will come out on iTunes tomorrow...


THE BEATLES' HELP!

The DVD will be a 2-disc set. Disc 1 will feature the original film digitally restored with a newly created 5.1 soundtrack, while Disc 2 contains an hour of extra features, including:

*The Beatles in Help! Ė 30 minute documentary about the making of the film with *Richard Lester, the cast and crew. Includes exclusive behind the scenes footage of *The Beatles on set.
*A Missing Scene Ė Featuring Wendy Richard
*The Restoration of Help! Ė An in depth look at the restoration process.
*Memories of Help! Ė The cast and crew reminisce
*Theatrical Trailers Ė 2 US trailers and 1 Spanish trailer.
*1965 US Radio Spots - Hidden in disc menus.
*There will be 2 editions of the DVD - a standard digipack and a deluxe boxed set that will contain a reproduction of Richard Lester's original annotated script, 8 lobby cards and a poster, plus a 60-page book with rarely seen photographs and production notes from the movie.

Both the deluxe book and the standard booklet feature an introduction by Richard Lester and an appreciation by Martin Scorsese.

Teifion
Sep 4, 2007, 11:05 AM
I'm surprised that nobody has suggested that there could possibly be a built in camera to the iPod. It'd be a minimal cost increment if the OSX rumours are true (they've already written the software for the iPhone).

Granted, I specifically want a camera in the iPod as I'm actually planning to buy an iPod (my first ever).

CJD2112
Sep 4, 2007, 11:06 AM
If there is a wireless store for the iPod though, I'm 100% sure they WILL update the iPhone with a firmware update. Apple will be careful and give the iPhone more capability. What do y'all think (in the words of a southerner!)

Hey there, I hope so, I just asked a similar question to any one who may have a better idea. :)

psychofreak
Sep 4, 2007, 11:07 AM
Surprisingly nothing on AppleTV...

arn
Sep 4, 2007, 11:08 AM
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0709preipod.html

ThinkSecret says Touch-screen iPod tomorrow.

arn

CJD2112
Sep 4, 2007, 11:10 AM
I'm surprised that nobody has suggested that there could possibly be a built in camera to the iPod. It'd be a minimal cost increment if the OSX rumours are true (they've already written the software for the iPhone).

Granted, I specifically want a camera in the iPod as I'm actually planning to buy an iPod (my first ever).

Hmmmm, I don't know. I would think that Apple would want to differentiate the iPhone from the iPod as to separate sales as much as possible. If the iPod came with a camera as the iPhone, the only difference with all the possible additions would be just the phone aspect (primarily). That would start to infringe upon those that want an iPhone but would settle for an iPod without the phone features, most likely resulting in people not switching and experiencing a product they normally would not consider and liking it.

EvanLugh
Sep 4, 2007, 11:10 AM
WiFi will kick ass!

THe SMS service, will this work in UK, and will it be free? :rolleyes:

kfury77
Sep 4, 2007, 11:12 AM
Surprisingly nothing on AppleTV...

that's a good point actually. Steve Jobs did say publically recently that there would be some Apple TV news "soon".

beer.coffee
Sep 4, 2007, 11:17 AM
I just want a HDD based iPod Touch....anything else is gravy.

seenew
Sep 4, 2007, 11:19 AM
I'm hoping for a widescreen "touch" iPod for under $500..

PlaceofDis
Sep 4, 2007, 11:20 AM
should be an interesting event. but i'm not going to set my hopes high.

Markleshark
Sep 4, 2007, 11:20 AM
I hope the UI doesn't feature album artwork too much.

yiswitched
Sep 4, 2007, 11:29 AM
I didn't know until today that this was being held at the Moscone Center, I thought it was located at Apple like the last one 0_o

Does anyone else think that the announcement is going to be more then just the ipod? I'm thinking new os as well as a new version of Logic Pro (God knows that software needs work). I'm so excited!

rjphoto
Sep 4, 2007, 11:29 AM
I'm hoping for a widescreen "touch" iPod for under $500..


an iPhone without the phone...UNDER $300, more storage, bluetooth would be cool, WiFi would be killer.... I might think about it.


So, we wait.....

OrangeCuse44
Sep 4, 2007, 11:30 AM
I hope the UI doesn't feature album artwork too much.

I do. Once you decide to pretty up your iTunes with all artwork, it adds so much. I cant wait to flip through my albums using coverflow. Its my favorite part of the iPhone.

Chupa Chupa
Sep 4, 2007, 11:31 AM
OK, so WHO is covering this live? Engadget? Gizmodo? Anyone know?

abrooks
Sep 4, 2007, 11:31 AM
I didn't know until today that this was being held at the Moscone Center, I thought it was located at Apple like the last one 0_o

Does anyone else think that the announcement is going to be more then just the ipod? I'm thinking new os as well as a new version of Logic Pro (God knows that software needs work). I'm so excited!

New OS? What, like Leopard? :rolleyes:

EvanLugh
Sep 4, 2007, 11:34 AM
New OS? What, like Leopard?

I thought it was only me thinking this :rolleyes:

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 11:40 AM
I also think that it's not going to be extremely expensive; it's just not the Apple way.

you keep on saying this but every single apple product is much more expensive than its non-apple counterpart. do you have any examples of this not happening?

jockmock
Sep 4, 2007, 11:41 AM
This is good news:
The new iPod will feature similar dimensions to Apple's iPhone with which it will share the same display, but sources except the iPod to continue to sport a hard drive in place of Flash memory. Solid state media commands a roughly 15-fold price premium per gigabyte over a 1.8-inch hard drive, which is now available in substantial quantities at capacities up to 120GB.


I would be refreshing as hell on the apple store for it to open if this is true

Chupa Chupa
Sep 4, 2007, 11:42 AM
I didn't know until today that this was being held at the Moscone Center, I thought it was located at Apple like the last one 0_o

Does anyone else think that the announcement is going to be more then just the ipod? I'm thinking new os as well as a new version of Logic Pro (God knows that software needs work). I'm so excited!


0% chance the words "Logic Pro" will be uttered by Steve Job's lips, but I think there is a 50/50 chance he will use the occasion to show off Leopard and announce and official ship date. Seems like a no brainer w/ all eyes on the even.

The world expects new iPods. Whatever new iPod announces it will sell like hotcakes, even if 99.1% of MacRumors members moan after it's revealed b/c it doesn't do something or other. But other than the Mac faithful few would give .02 for Leopard news so this is a great time to force feed non-Mac heads Leopard and get them talking about it.

Merser
Sep 4, 2007, 11:43 AM
Anyone wish to take a shot at the price points and capacity? Assuming they are revamping their entire line (crosses fingers)

Shuffle...

Nano (Fatpod)...

Widescreen Touch screen ipod
Assuming its HDD, how many gigs at what price?
Assuming its Flash, how many gigs at what price?

Ovs
Sep 4, 2007, 11:45 AM
I'm convinced the touch screen iPod will be flash based - similar spec to the iPhone. It makes no sense otherwise.

Maybe the hardrives will only be available for non touch versions? Whatever the case, itís going to be interesting to see exactly which route Apple will take on this.

abrooks
Sep 4, 2007, 11:46 AM
0% chance the words "Logic Pro" will be uttered by Steve Job's lips, but I think there is a 50/50 chance he will use the occasion to show off Leopard and announce and official ship date. Seems like a no brainer w/ all eyes on the even.

The world expects new iPods. Whatever new iPod announces it will sell like hotcakes, even if 99.1% of MacRumors members moan after it's revealed b/c it doesn't do something or other. But other than the Mac faithful few would give .02 for Leopard news so this is a great time to force feed non-Mac heads Leopard and get them talking about it.

Stick with your second argument, the world wants to see iPods, not Leopard.

I personally believe we'll have a Leopard related event somewhere towards the end of October.

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 11:47 AM
I'm convinced the touch screen iPod will be flash based - similar spec to the iPhone. It makes no sense otherwise.

i just dont think the whole thing is going to be flash based, i think its going to be hd based with a large flash buffer.

gugy
Sep 4, 2007, 11:49 AM
I hope:

The new iPod 6g

just like the iPhone less the phone and 120gig storage. $399 or $499. I am sold. bring it on!:D

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 11:54 AM
$399 or $499. I am sold. bring it on!:D

i think these price points are a little more realistic. i just hope the cheaper model has wifi

fanbrain
Sep 4, 2007, 11:54 AM
I hope the UI doesn't feature album artwork too much.

I agree. Most of my music is classical and ripped from my cd's, so there is hardly any artwork in my library of 5000 ish songs. Album artwork would be useless in my case.

yiswitched
Sep 4, 2007, 11:55 AM
0% chance the words "Logic Pro" will be uttered by Steve Job's lips

And why is that?

thespazz
Sep 4, 2007, 11:55 AM
So, I'll toss my hat into the ring.

Only three versions of the iPod available...

Shuffle (1GB and 2GB) - Same price points.
iPod Nano (4GB, 8GB, 16GB) - Same price points. - No Video. Just music.
iPod 6G (60GB, 120GB) - $299, $399 - Wi-Fi strictly to access iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. It's a music device, not a connectivity device. It will have touchscreen.

And the fourth part of the "media" suite rumored will be the Apple TV.

Everyone thinking that the bottom priced iPod will be more than $300 is a complete fool. Apple has too much competition at that price point. It would not make sense to go up to $350/400 for that iPod.

abrooks
Sep 4, 2007, 11:56 AM
And why is that?

Because this is an iPod event, not software. Logic if it is ever to be updated will be updated at a professional music event. Something like PMA early next year.

syklee26
Sep 4, 2007, 11:59 AM
Surprisingly nothing on AppleTV...

maybe ATV can be controlled with new iPods.

ccunning
Sep 4, 2007, 12:00 PM
I'm surprised there hasn't been more speculation regarding HD content being added to the iTunes store. It would be just in time for the new Fall TV lineups, it would mesh well with the recent NBC dispute, and Steve's comment about upcoming news for the Apple TV.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:00 PM
you keep on saying this but every single apple product is much more expensive than its non-apple counterpart. do you have any examples of this not happening?


Uhh, okay. Let's start with computers.
Look at the iMac, many more features than PC counterparts, faster, webcam, so on. Priced at $1199. I know for a FACT that many PCs are either this price or much more expensive, but have less features. For example, the Compaq I am working on right now was at least $1500, but it is slow and has many less features.

iPods: priced very competitive. Look at the crappy Zune. It's reccomended price for 30GB is $249. Wait just a darn minute, you know what other product is priced at $249 for 30 GB? The iPOD!! Now, you tell me which is the better player? Zune or iPod?

And as much as people want to whine about the iPhone because it is "expensive", there is a crucial point missing: it isn't just a smartphone. A 4GB nano costs about $200. A good smartphone costs about $300? How much is the iPhone? $500! That's right! As long as you can do math havenhamilton, you see that the iPhone is priced PERFECTLY!!

What I'm trying to say is that pricing helps Apple. You need to look at the big picture. Apple isn't going to put a high price tag on something just because it is "good." They're going to make it competitvely priced. It's basic economics.

As I said in my previous post, step back an stop using bad judgement to create your theories. There's a fine line between smart speculation and stupid thinking.

psychofreak
Sep 4, 2007, 12:00 PM
New OS? What, like Leopard? :rolleyes:

Hopefully we'll get a release date :)

compuguy1088
Sep 4, 2007, 12:01 PM
OK, so WHO is covering this live? Engadget? Gizmodo? Anyone know?

I bet that Engadget will be covering this by Live Blogging. Gizmodo was there at the previous event, but as I can recall, I could not get into there site. The best bet is to try Engadget, because they have usually the more reliable updates.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:01 PM
And why is that?
Because this is an iPod-related event.

KingofAwesome
Sep 4, 2007, 12:02 PM
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0709preipod.html

ThinkSecret says Touch-screen iPod tomorrow.

arn

Wouldn't that indicate that we won't get a touch-screen ipod tomorrow? :)

Black Belt
Sep 4, 2007, 12:05 PM
Wi-Fi strictly to access iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Safari, No Mail. It's a music device, not a connectivity device.

Uh yeah...right. If it has WiFi and they try and cripple it, it will get hacked and Apple's "regime" will get overruled. Firefox and a mail client will get loaded. Why try and fight it? Why try and cripple a device when you know it will get hacked. A better strategy is to give your customer everything they wanted and more - not less. Less makes you look like an idiot. If they put Wifi on it, they may as well go the Full Monty and put Safari and a mail client on it. I would think Steve would rather you use Safari, than hack it and load Firefox.

Lyle
Sep 4, 2007, 12:06 PM
Everyone thinking that the bottom priced iPod will be more than $300 is a complete fool. Apple has too much competition at that price point. It would not make sense to go up to $350/400 for that iPod.Other than the unnecessary "complete fool" comment, I agree with your prediction. I can buy a refurbished iPhone for $400 (or $500 for the 8Gb version), so there's no way I'd pay the same dollar amount for a touchscreen iPod (even granting the additional storage on the iPod).

currentinterest
Sep 4, 2007, 12:09 PM
My guess:

Shuffle (1GB and 2GB) - Same price points.

iPod Nano (4GB, 8GB, 16GB) - Similar price points. - with video

iPod 6G (60GB, 120GB) - $249, $299 - Same interface as Nano, perhaps Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. (less confident about this than the others)

iPod Touch (8GB, 16GB, and perhaps, but unlikely 32GB) Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. $349, $399, $499.

Apple TV software updates and movie rentals.

Possible, but unlikely, new iPhone Nano

iomar
Sep 4, 2007, 12:11 PM
I think tomorrow will be even more exciting than the iphone launch!

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 12:13 PM
that's a good point actually. Steve Jobs did say publically recently that there would be some Apple TV news "soon".

I'm sure they'll announce something, but it will probably be relatively minor.

Probably a software update, maybe some additional content (HD or at least higher resolution from the iTunes store?), maybe a minor spec boost like bigger hard drive. I wouldn't expect much more than that.


While I'd love to see the long overdue Logic 8 update tomorrow, I'm not getting my hopes up. They have a ton to announce already, and it wouldn't fit in that well.

AES convention is a possible candidate, october 5-8 http://www.aes.org/

They'll probably have Leopard running on the demo macs, and maybe mention a couple music/media specific features, stuff like integration or streaming. But little Leopard info if any, I wouldn't be surprised if it's nothing but "By the way, these macs are running Leopard and it rocks..."

you keep on saying this but every single apple product is much more expensive than its non-apple counterpart. do you have any examples of this not happening?

Sure. A number of ipods have been competitive or cheaper than similar options. Just look at the zune, same price as the 30 gig ipod. Same goes for pc's with xeon chipsets similar to the mac pros.

Andrew07
Sep 4, 2007, 12:15 PM
I was thinking about this last night...

Since the new iPods will run a version of OSX, do you guys think it could require a paid update to Leopard when it comes out?

Also, WiFi in the iPhone and in iPods is cool and all, but after owning my iPhone for a month i have YET to find a WiFi spot that is free and has over one bar. So although EDGE can be painfully slow, it still allows me to browse the internet while away from the computer. So do you all think its likely that Apple will develop its own sort of wireless service (for a fee) that could be incorporated into the iPhone and iPod?

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:16 PM
iPod Touch (8GB, 16GB, and perhaps, but unlikely 32GB) Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. $349, $399, $499.

By what you are saying, it seems like you are predicting the new iPod will have flash. I do think it's likely, but they're probably going to reserve touchscreen for their top-of-the-line model since it's the best tech. If it's top of the line, it will have more storage. More storage= HDD.

My predictions (yet again):

iPod Shuffle
Same, lowered price.

iPod nano
Bigger HD, looks like FatPod, lower price, video capabilities

iPod touch
Touchscreen, Wifi, OS X, very big capacity, prices don't go high (here come the arguments :) )

prady16
Sep 4, 2007, 12:17 PM
cmooooooooon apple, make me happy
i need iPod with safari.....rival to nokia n800

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 12:17 PM
iPod Touch (8GB, 16GB, and perhaps, but unlikely 32GB) Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. $349, $399, $499.

why would they release a fullscreen video player with less space than the device that is more dedicated to music?

Evan_11
Sep 4, 2007, 12:18 PM
I'd like to see a:

120gig iPod
3.5" touch-screen
AppleTV UI
Wi-Fi
New dock with hdmi and component output.
$499

This type of iPod would basically eliminate the need for an AppleTV though. However I think a lot of people would love to buy it because it eliminates the need for one extra device (AppleTV) while adding functionality to an existing device (iPod).

Rick America
Sep 4, 2007, 12:19 PM
I agree. "Crippled WIFI" (no browser/Safari internet access, iTMS only) would not be a game-changer...are people leaving Apple iPod because wireless iTMS access is not available? Crippled WIFI would not create the hype Apple craves and executes so well.

I think everyone is missing the significance of the Moscone Center announcement --- this will be a BIG event, not just a standard product upgrade. Anything short of building off the iPhone as a starting point will actually work against Apple by giving its competitors (the current one and new ones --- think Google with G-Phone...and there will be lots more) hope and legitimacy in the marketplace. Such an announcement would bring Apple down to their level --- while every other MAJOR (Moscone) announcement has distanced Apple well ahead of their competition.

If these announcement are seen as "crippled" in any way or, worse yet, seen as poor self-serving announcements aimed solely at "protecting" the iPhone, I think it will actually drive prospective buyers to try some other vendors' offerings since any meaningful differentiation would not be there.

Uh yeah...right. If it has WiFi and they try and cripple it, it will get hacked and Apple's "regime" will get overruled. Firefox and a mail client will get loaded. Why try and fight it? Why try and cripple a device when you know it will get hacked. A better strategy is to give your customer everything they wanted and more - not less. Less makes you look like an idiot. If they put Wifi on it, they may as well go the Full Monty and put Safari and a mail client on it. I would think Steve would rather you use Safari, than hack it and load Firefox.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:21 PM
Since the new iPods will run a version of OSX, do you guys think it could require a paid update to Leopard when it comes out?

No, and here's why:

1) The iPhone runs on OS X as well, but we haven't heard anything about upgrades for the iPhone.

2) We're not talking about a Mac OS X, we're talking about an iPod OS X. That means, the Mac versions don't apply to the iPod versions. Look at the iPhone, that has OS X, but it's completely different from the Mac operating system.

3) OS X is not defined. That means, Apple can put a label on anything and call it "OS X", but that doesn't mean it's an advanced operating system. Apple could even put a label on the current iPod UI and call it OS X.

I do think there will be minor firmware updates, but nothing as drastic and unneccesary as a paid Leopard update. The OS's are two different things.

Ovs
Sep 4, 2007, 12:31 PM
Uhh, okay. Let's start with computers.
Look at the iMac, many more features than PC counterparts, faster, webcam, so on. Priced at $1199. I know for a FACT that many PCs are either this price or much more expensive, but have less features.


Not true. PCs generally have more features. In my opinion too many features. That's one of the reasons why I prefer a Mac. A friend recently purchased a PC for less than the price of an iMac. Itís a good machine, with relatively high specs.

It depends on what features you're looking for. No it didnít come with a webcam, but it did come with 2GB of ram, a very good graphics card, multicard reader, 2 DVD drives, more inputs, speakers, subwoofer, and host of other bits and bobs.

Personally I wouldnít buy it, but mostly because I prefer Mac OS and I donít particularly need or want all those extra features.

But I don't think itís fair to say one has less features than the other, like I said, it just depends on what you're after.

Arslanoff
Sep 4, 2007, 12:31 PM
Guys, when it will be available in the UK after tomorrow launch? May be week or two or just after the launch?

F.D.
Sep 4, 2007, 12:31 PM
I also think that it's not going to be extremely expensive; it's just not the Apple way.



Not the Apple way?

You're kidding right?

Virgil-TB2
Sep 4, 2007, 12:35 PM
Question: As there is speculation that the iPods will have WiFi and thus a possibility to connect wirelessly to the iTunes store to purchase music (and some speculation that there might be wireless syncing via bluetooth in the works), will this capability be added via iTunes and a new iTunes mobile store for the iPhone as well? ... What you are pointing out here is a large part of the reason why there is so much speculation about WiFi features and what will be included etc.

At this point no one knows, but personally I hope that the iPod doesn't try to be a "phoneless iPhone" as it would confuse the whole issue of what the heck it is you are buying anyway. It seems to me that if the "phone-less iphone" becomes reality, then all you will have is two broken products each of which containing a flaw that the other addresses.

- the sexy iPhone will have a cousin that does almost everything it does, be about the same price, but store at least ten times the amount of data.

- the new widescreen iPod will be like an improved iPhone except for that one naggling detail (that it won't be able to do anything at all if your not in a wi-fi hotspot.)

You will have two products, that are almost identical, and each will be that perfect portable device (except for the giant glitch in each). The consumer is then forced to chose between two almost identical yet hobbled devices, neither one being exactly what is needed.

Here's hoping that this doesn't happen, and that the iPod focuses on music functions.

I am surprised to see that the round up of coverage above doesn't even mention the rumours of a different kind of radio from standard WiFi or bluetooth and the rumours of kiosks in Starbucks and other places. These, or other solutions, could give users the ability to share, stream, and purchase media without necessarily hooking them up to the internet. It would also account for the large media presence if Apple was about to bring out some partners in music distribution.

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 12:38 PM
It seems to me that if the "phone-less iphone" becomes reality, then all you will have is two broken products each of which containing a flaw that the other addresses.

That assumes that the "phone-less iphone" will have hard drive and more capacity. It's entirely possible that ALL ipods announced tomorrow will have flash.

It's also possible, although nobody has mentioned it, that there may be an update to the iPhone, even though it's still very new.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:41 PM
Not the Apple way?

You're kidding right?

You obviously know nothing about Apple's corporate policies.

Virgil-TB2
Sep 4, 2007, 12:42 PM
I'm convinced the touch screen iPod will be flash based - similar spec to the iPhone. It makes no sense otherwise. ....I think HD based iPods make sense. It's really about the price of storage. The NAND systems have benefits like longer battery life and so forth, but the *reason* for going with them, or for not going with them, is likely going to be price isn't it?

Considering that most are speculating in the 120 - 160 Gig range of capacity, and considering that the only physical spec we have heard about the new iPod touch is that it's "thicker"....

HD based touch iPods are totally within the realm of possibility.

yiswitched
Sep 4, 2007, 12:42 PM
Because this is an iPod-related event.

Is there an official press release on this "special event", I have not been able to find it =(

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:42 PM
Not true. PCs generally have more features. In my opinion too many features. That's one of the reasons why I prefer a Mac. A friend recently purchased a PC for less than the price of an iMac. Itís a good machine, with relatively high specs.

It depends on what features you're looking for. No it didnít come with a webcam, but it did come with 2GB of ram, a very good graphics card, multicard reader, 2 DVD drives, more inputs, speakers, subwoofer, and host of other bits and bobs.

Personally I wouldnít buy it, but mostly because I prefer Mac OS and I donít particularly need or want all those extra features.

But I don't think itís fair to say one has less features than the other, like I said, it just depends on what you're after.

Yes, but are all of those extra features on a PC crappy? :D

EvanLugh
Sep 4, 2007, 12:42 PM
Who said it was an iPod -Only event? Apple certainly havn't and I think it's for them to decide what kind of event it is.

Personally, a WiFi -enabled iPod would be good. Mail. iTMS. Anything more = iPhone.

:apple:

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:43 PM
Is there an official press release on this "special event", I have not been able to find it =(


Your joking, right? It talks about the press release right on this MacRumors article. :eek:

Parky
Sep 4, 2007, 12:44 PM
It may just be coincidence, but it was 45 years ago today (4th Sept) that the Beatles recorded their first single 'Love Me Do'.

It was first released on the 5th October 1962 in the Uk, maybe that date will be used for the launch of the Beatles content on iTunes or maybe even tomorrow.

45 years is a good anniversary!

Ian

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 12:47 PM
Who said it was an iPod -Only event? Apple certainly havn't and I think it's for them to decide what kind of event it is.


Well, if you used common sense, you would know that this is an iPod-related even. Look at the invitation, a person with an iPod! CoverFlow! Album Art! I don't think that they would have those things for something like a Logic Pro release, would you?

Open your eyes, people, open your eyes!

nemaslov
Sep 4, 2007, 12:52 PM
It may just be coincidence, but it was 45 years ago today (4th Sept) that the Beatles recorded their first single 'Love Me Do'.

It was first released on the 5th October 1962 in the Uk, maybe that date will be used for the launch of the Beatles content on iTunes or maybe even tomorrow.

45 years is a good anniversary!

Ian

So what did Marvin Gaye's father say to Mavin Gaye? "This is the last 45 you'll ever hear."

Absolultely no connection with the iPod except that I have three albums of his loaded on mine.

Ovs
Sep 4, 2007, 12:54 PM
Yes, but are all of those extra features on a PC crappy? :D

All? What, a better graphics card is crappy? That's a new one on me!

Like I said, it depends on what you features you want. I prefer Macs, but I couldn't speak for anyone else. A generalised "Mac is better than PC" argument or vice versa is pretty corny. They're not football teams or loved one, just computers.

jockmock
Sep 4, 2007, 12:57 PM
hdd based ipod touch would make more sense. You need the extra space if you're gonna watch movies on it, which you are if you're buying a player with a large screen. If you don't need to watch movies, buy the nano.

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 01:01 PM
Is there an official press release on this "special event", I have not been able to find it =(

There's an invite. And it's completely iPod related. Nobody thinks it won't be ipods.

yiswitched
Sep 4, 2007, 01:07 PM
There's an invite. And it's completely iPod related. Nobody thinks it won't be ipods.

I didn't ask about speculation or what other people thought, I just asked for an official press release. I was interested in reading it. All I have found so far is a bunch of confirmations fro all the Mac rumor sites.

ds252
Sep 4, 2007, 01:12 PM
Is there any doubt that they won't be in stores tomorrow?

mymaccc
Sep 4, 2007, 01:13 PM
all sites speak about the ipod that will be launched tomorrow with a lot of rumors like on cnet (http://www.cnet.com) or MyMac (http://www.mymac.cc) . But I need know where can i see "in live" the event. In this thread i have read that MacRumors don't will have live coverage.

hyperpasta
Sep 4, 2007, 01:17 PM
all sites speak about the ipod that will be launched tomorrow with a lot of rumors like on cnet (http://www.cnet.com) or MyMac (http://www.mymac.cc) . But I need know where can i see "in live" the event. In this thread i have read that MacRumors don't will have live coverage.

Try Engadget (www.engadget.com).

arn
Sep 4, 2007, 01:18 PM
all sites speak about the ipod that will be launched tomorrow with a lot of rumors like on cnet (http://www.cnet.com) or MyMac (http://www.mymac.cc) . But I need know where can i see "in live" the event. In this thread i have read that MacRumors don't will have live coverage.

we said we'd post a list closer to the event.

arn

arn
Sep 4, 2007, 01:19 PM
I didn't ask about speculation or what other people thought, I just asked for an official press release. I was interested in reading it. All I have found so far is a bunch of confirmations fro all the Mac rumor sites.

there is no press release for the invite... there's just the invite.

the press release comes after the announcements... :)

arn

APPLENEWBIE
Sep 4, 2007, 01:22 PM
A couple of ideas.

First, just because Apple asked that the fat-pod image be pulled because it was their property, does not mean that it represents the final version. It may well be that the image was a preliminary design workup, and the final may be something completely different. Even if it did not represent a final design, it would still be their property, and I don't doubt they want it controled One idea I like would be to take a nano, make it a little wider, and re-orient the click wheel to be used in a horizontal orientation. That would keep the same basic (long, narrow) form factor as well as provide a "widescreen" view.

Second: Leo Laporte (praised be his name) noted that the event is happening at the Mosconi center, a much larger hall than used at the recent Mac event. Holds a couple thousand folks apparently. WHat better use of a nice hall than to have a little music by the remaining Beatles, and introduce a new Beatles ipod of some sort...

macintel4me
Sep 4, 2007, 01:24 PM
Why I think the iPod and iPhone won't eat at each other's sales.

currentinterest
Sep 4, 2007, 01:25 PM
The most likely reason there MAY be no HDD in the iPod touch is battery life, and anytime one removes moving parts one saves on warranty repairs. NAND Flash also allows for thinner, more durable devices. The iPhone has been quite successful as a video device with 8GB and to a somewhat lessor extent 4GB. Apple might feel 16GBs, or perhaps 32GBs is sufficient for the first device in the all NAND Flash transition.

Roy Hobbs
Sep 4, 2007, 01:25 PM
all sites speak about the ipod that will be launched tomorrow with a lot of rumors like on cnet (http://www.cnet.com) or MyMac (http://www.mymac.cc) . But I need know where can i see "in live" the event. In this thread i have read that MacRumors don't will have live coverage.


What???

EvanLugh
Sep 4, 2007, 01:26 PM
mhmm it's September the 5th quicker for the UK, can we see a preview? :p

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 01:28 PM
All? What, a better graphics card is crappy? That's a new one on me!

Why would you want a great graphics card on a crappy PC anyway??

Chupa Chupa
Sep 4, 2007, 01:29 PM
Stick with your second argument, the world wants to see iPods, not Leopard.

I personally believe we'll have a Leopard related event somewhere towards the end of October.

The marketing concept is call "captive audience." Get people in with what THEY want to see and then show them what YOU want them to see when they get in.

neven
Sep 4, 2007, 01:29 PM
Just thought I'd throw my predictions in...

- No "phoneless iPhone". WiFi and OS X, if they make their way to the iPod, will be used for specific features, not for web/email/etc. iPhone is your "breakthrough Internet communicator"; iPod is your music in your pocket.

- Steve really likes Cover Flow, so album art is going to be very prominent; if you don't use album art in your library, that's your choice, but understand that you're left in the dust like a black and white TV set.

- OS X is what's needed to get the iTunes Store to the iPod, so if they announce the former, the latter could easily follow.

There are more and more newbies on the forum, which in itself is not bad, but let's restate some ground rules of Apple announcements:

- Just because YOU would LOVE a certain feature doesn't mean it will be announced
- Just because it CAN be done doesn't mean Apple will do it
- Low expectations lead to pleasant surprises; high expectations lead to disappointment

P.S. One particular person's comments stand out as unduly abrasive - newguineafan. Take it easy, dude.

thats nice
Sep 4, 2007, 01:40 PM
Get those credit cards ready people! It's so close i can feel it. Why is it that i feel so drawn to MacRumors around any special event! I end up checking the site every five minutes!

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 01:42 PM
P.S. One particular person's comments stand out as unduly abrasive - newguineafan. Take it easy, dude.

I, take it easy? Who's the one picking a fight by naming names and writing unneccesary things? ;)

I really don't know how my comments are "unduly abrasive", can you give me a few examples? I mean seriously, if it helps me as a forum member, go for it.

I only have a few rules for myself when posting replies. They are:


Keep it simple
Remember the big picture
No wild theories - just smart speculation


But my number one rule is always use common sense. Seriously, some people on this thread aren't using any.

Again, can you please give me some examples? The truth isn't always soft and fuzzy :) .

Quickdood
Sep 4, 2007, 01:42 PM
Is there any doubt that they won't be in stores tomorrow?

Yes, most believe we will see it earliest Thursday most likely Friday.

rctshack
Sep 4, 2007, 01:44 PM
Well, if you used common sense, you would know that this is an iPod-related even. Look at the invitation, a person with an iPod! CoverFlow! Album Art! I don't think that they would have those things for something like a Logic Pro release, would you?

Open your eyes, people, open your eyes!

Open Our Eyes? Yes we get it... iPods... but why would he rent out the moscone center to tell the audience about the new iPods only???

I can tell you right now that I know there will be one other thing announced at least. It deals with a major company and the company's chairman will be at the event tomorrow. If I am not right... then feel free to never listen to me again.

Why would they not mention ANY other product than the i-Pod??? That would be a waste of space and time. I am sure they will speak of leopard's release next month and maybe some last minute upgrades? I can't believe people in here have even said that they wouldn't speak of anything else because most i-Pod users are not Mac OS users... what's the logic in that? The reason you speak to people that aren't OSX users is to convince them to buy the new product. I guaruntee apple already knows anyone with a Mac will buy the new OS. It would be less logical to not talk about Leapord when all eyes are on them.

gugy
Sep 4, 2007, 01:45 PM
what happened to Don Bangles? :D

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 01:51 PM
Open Our Eyes? Yes we get it... iPods... but why would he rent out the moscone center to tell the audience about the new iPods only???

I can tell you right now that I know there will be one other thing announced at least. It deals with a major company and the company's chairman will be at the event tomorrow. If I am not right... then feel free to never listen to me again.

Why would they not mention ANY other product than the i-Pod??? That would be a waste of space and time. I am sure they will speak of leopard's release next month and maybe some last minute upgrades? I can't believe people in here have even said that they wouldn't speak of anything else because most i-Pod users are not Mac OS users... what's the logic in that? The reason you speak to people that aren't OSX users is to convince them to buy the new product. I guaruntee apple already knows anyone with a Mac will buy the new OS. It would be less logical to not talk about Leapord when all eyes are on them.

I never said that they won't have other things, I just think that things like Logic Pro express are out of the question.

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 01:52 PM
I didn't ask about speculation or what other people thought, I just asked for an official press release. I was interested in reading it. All I have found so far is a bunch of confirmations fro all the Mac rumor sites.

There is no "official press release". There is however an official invitation, which you can see in the story this thread is linked from. You can interpret the invitation to be for a Logic event or whatever. But there is widespread agreement that it's an ipod event, you're in a tiny minority.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 01:52 PM
what happened to Don Bangles? :D

He was banned. He's now at ThinkSecret making trouble. :D

chillywilly
Sep 4, 2007, 01:52 PM
- OS X is what's needed to get the iTunes Store to the iPod, so if they announce the former, the latter could easily follow.

Of course, I think this is a given. But as with the iPhone, there will be expected hacks to make things that Apple didn't add up front, work.

If we get OSX and WiFi on the new iPod, I bet it will be pretty quick when we'll see the various hacks to add functionality.

gugy
Sep 4, 2007, 01:56 PM
He was banned. He's now at ThinkSecret making trouble. :D

:eek::D:D:D:D
We will find out tomorrow if he is full of sh** or not.

DaveLG526
Sep 4, 2007, 02:01 PM
If they add wifi lets hope they allow it to be used for downloading music etc. The inability to use the Zune's wifi except to communicate with another Zune has proven to me Microsoft is clueless as far as user needs and wants are concerned.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 02:02 PM
:eek::D:D:D:D
We will find out tomorrow if he is full of sh** or not.


Haha, I think that goes without saying

ds252
Sep 4, 2007, 02:04 PM
The most likely reason there MAY be no HDD in the iPod touch is battery life, and anytime one removes moving parts one saves on warranty repairs. NAND Flash also allows for thinner, more durable devices. The iPhone has been quite successful as a video device with 8GB and to a somewhat lessor extent 4GB. Apple might feel 16GBs, or perhaps 32GBs is sufficient for the first device in the all NAND Flash transition.

I think that it won't be Flash based because it's been said that it would be slightly thicker than the iphone and with removing the phone part to it and adding HDD would make it bigger just removing the phone would make it similar or smaller is what i'm thinking.

The Flan Bandit
Sep 4, 2007, 02:06 PM
Does anyone think it'll have a camera? Or is that too far out there?

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 02:07 PM
Guys, when it will be available in the UK after tomorrow launch? May be week or two or just after the launch?

Friday ;)

daysleeper
Sep 4, 2007, 02:08 PM
I'm surprised that people are going bananas about the pricing up in here.

I think the iPod photo was at $349 for a while, but I don't think they'll go that high anymore, with the iPhone available for not much more.

Tomorrow the iPod touch will be revealed at the old standard $299 price. I think the Nano will retain its current price points, and the shuffle will keep the same features with a slight price reduction.

Apple has hit the three "sweet spots" in most people's pocketbooks, and won't change now (they haven't hit mine, though. I've never owned an iPod).

anirban
Sep 4, 2007, 02:08 PM
Does anyone think it'll have a camera? Or is that too far out there?

No camera in my opinion. if they do have one, it will not be better than the one on iPhone, so it will be totally useless to me.

padmasana
Sep 4, 2007, 02:10 PM
My first reaction is to get a little teary-eyed about the possibility that the current Nano is toast. It's just been great for the last two years, and I need something like it for bike rides, even though I have an iPhone.
My second Nano reaction is, "hmm, wonder what they'll come up with to replace it."

bilbo--baggins
Sep 4, 2007, 02:13 PM
I'm surprised that nobody has suggested that there could possibly be a built in camera to the iPod. It'd be a minimal cost increment if the OSX rumours are true (they've already written the software for the iPhone).

It will be a sad day when they even put a camera in an iPod.

The Flan Bandit
Sep 4, 2007, 02:18 PM
It will be a sad day when they even put a camera in an iPod.

:( That makes me sad that it might make someone else sad.

I wouldn't mind one as long as it didn't make the thing itself any bigger.

You would think someday-- someday in the way distant future, perhaps-- they would make an iPod you could video iChat on via wifi.

hatcher146
Sep 4, 2007, 02:19 PM
i really hope the iPod tomorrow has wifi with safari...please steve! :p

Unspeaked
Sep 4, 2007, 02:19 PM
Anyone else think that - after seeing the announcement that this is being held at Moscone - this might turn out to be *just* a "Beatles Available on iTunes!!!" announcement and nothing more...?

I can see it now: Paul and Ringo there, a live performance, tons of media, a whole section of the iTMS devoted to the band, a slew of new print and television ads, etc.

Of course, I'm not expecting this... but I think it's a lot more likely than I did, say, last night...

dernhelm
Sep 4, 2007, 02:21 PM
If they add wifi lets hope they allow it to be used for downloading music etc. The inability to use the Zune's wifi except to communicate with another Zune has proven to me Microsoft is clueless as far as user needs and wants are concerned.

WiFi should be used to enable stuff like Google Maps and Safari on the device. Otherwise, it would be pointless. Downloading music? Doubt that'd be of much interest. Why kill your battery to download a song? How often do you need to download a song when you are in range of wireless but don't have nearby access to a Mac or PC you own?

The other problem is that the iPod would need at least a partial iTunes client in order to deal with everything cleanly. Now you've got two iTunes clients that need to sync together (one on your iPod, the other on your Mac/PC). That's not impossible, but it is something that Apple has gone to great lengths to make it be difficult to do. There must be some reason for that.

As far as streaming to other devices, they could simply make it available via a "sharing" feature like in iTunes now, but then again, you are talking about moving iTunes functionality down to the device. In this case, there wouldn't be a legal ramification I can think of, but I would probably never have the sharing feature on as it would likely drain the battery very quickly.

izzle22
Sep 4, 2007, 02:24 PM
I'm surprised that people are going bananas about the pricing up in here.

I think the iPod photo was at $349 for a while, but I don't think they'll go that high anymore, with the iPhone available for not much more.

Tomorrow the iPod touch will be revealed at the old standard $299 price. I think the Nano will retain its current price points, and the shuffle will keep the same features with a slight price reduction.

Apple has hit the three "sweet spots" in most people's pocketbooks, and won't change now (they haven't hit mine, though. I've never owned an iPod).


Ahhhhhhh...The 60g iPod photo was $599 for awhile. I know because that's what I paid for it 3 years ago.

Unspeaked
Sep 4, 2007, 02:24 PM
I'm surprised that people are going bananas about the pricing up in here.

I think the iPod photo was at $349 for a while, but I don't think they'll go that high anymore, with the iPhone available for not much more.

One thing that I've never seen a conclusive answer to is the question of if the iPhone's price is subsidized by the AT&T contract...

I mean, if the iPhone is really a $799 or $899 MSRP device (which, with the touch screen, wireless, camera, etc it very well could be), then it would make perfect sense that something with all that less a camera and a little connectivity (and possibly with even more storage) would run $399 and $499 retail...

balamw
Sep 4, 2007, 02:25 PM
Now you've got two iTunes clients that need to sync together (one on your iPod, the other on your Mac/PC). That's not impossible, but it is something that Apple has gone to great lengths to make it be difficult to do.
Just FWIW iTunes 7 already introduced the feature of syncing purchased tracks from the iPod to any PC/Mac tied to the same iTunes account, so this part is already there and is not difficult to use.

B

hatcher146
Sep 4, 2007, 02:27 PM
WiFi should be used to enable stuff like Google Maps and Safari on the device. Otherwise, it would be pointless. Downloading music? Doubt that'd be of much interest. Why kill your battery to download a song? How often do you need to download a song when you are in range of wireless but don't have nearby access to a Mac or PC you own?

THANK YOU. thats what im thinking too. i dont think that this is a great advantage. safari would be a better app. i cant get an iPhone and want safari on a portable device so bad!! ahhh.

we'll see in less than a day! cant wait!!! :eek::D:apple:

dernhelm
Sep 4, 2007, 02:27 PM
Ahhhhhhh...The 60g iPod photo was $599 for awhile. I know because that's what I paid for it 3 years ago.

That's my fear. I can almost see Apple deciding to intro the high-end one at $449 or $499 just to ensure the iPhone sales are not cannibalized.

At $299, I'm in. Probably that day. At $499? Nope. Can't justify it.

Virgil-TB2
Sep 4, 2007, 02:30 PM
... I can tell you right now that I know there will be one other thing announced at least. It deals with a major company and the company's chairman will be at the event tomorrow. If this is Richard Branson I am excited, if it's whoever is in charge of Starbucks, it's more of a shoulder shrug. :p

rockstarjoe
Sep 4, 2007, 02:30 PM
Ahhhhhhh...The 60g iPod photo was $599 for awhile. I know because that's what I paid for it 3 years ago.

Haha yeah me too! And the hard drive on it is dying a slow death. If they come out with a nice touch screen ipod with a hard drive I will buy one to replace my poor old 4G. How about you?

dernhelm
Sep 4, 2007, 02:31 PM
Just FWIW iTunes 7 already introduced the feature of syncing purchased tracks from the iPod to any PC/Mac tied to the same iTunes account, so this part is already there and is not difficult to use.

B

Thanks for the info! I didn't realize that! I'll have to make use of that sometime. I almost always purchase on one system, and copy the files around manually. It was always such a PITA, but once you set up the proper shares and automator scripts, you just do it as second nature. I hadn't tried it (obviously) since updating to 7.

pinksalmon
Sep 4, 2007, 02:32 PM
i think a phoneless iphone would be a good idea for apple(doubt that its happening but...) just think of how many people want an iphone but don't want the two year contract with at&t, i know the barrier is being broken with hacks but the average consumer has no idea where to begin and won't bother to risk the 500 or 600 dollars theyve spent on the iphone. if apple comes out with the 'phoneless' iphone and prices it below the iphone it will be better than sex:D

viccles
Sep 4, 2007, 02:34 PM
*has credit card at ready* I am excited about tomorrow :) I sold my nano and am eagerly awaiting what will be released

Chupa Chupa
Sep 4, 2007, 02:34 PM
One thing that I've never seen a conclusive answer to is the question of if the iPhone's price is subsidized by the AT&T contract...


Yes, Steve Jobs made it VERY clear. The iPhone is unsubsidized. That is one of the reasons people are so cheezed off Apple won't allow it to be unlocked...even after the initial contract has ended.

izzle22
Sep 4, 2007, 02:35 PM
Haha yeah me too! And the hard drive on it is dying a slow death. If they come out with a nice touch screen ipod with a hard drive I will buy one to replace my poor old 4G. How about you?

I sold my 60g iPod photo 2 years ago and bought the 80g video. But the person I sold the photo to says it freezes up all the time. I prob. won't buy a new one unless it offers remote for Airtunes/:apple:tv

Chupa Chupa
Sep 4, 2007, 02:40 PM
That's my fear. I can almost see Apple deciding to intro the high-end one at $449 or $499 just to ensure the iPhone sales are not cannibalized.

At $299, I'm in. Probably that day. At $499? Nope. Can't justify it.


My guess is the price points will stay the same. The days of a $499 iPod only are done. The dif b/t the iPod and iPhone will be features. IF tomorrows iPod has Wi-Fi it will NOT have a true browser, but rather connectivity to the iTMS only. Maybe some other "stores." Maybe allow synching via Wi-Fi. But there will be no Wi-Fi Internet browsing or emailing. Watch and see, Steve is going to make sure there is a definitive difference b/t the iPod, media player device and iPhone, communication device w/ media player.

Rhosfelt
Sep 4, 2007, 02:41 PM
I wonder how far away (in terms of years) we are to customizing an iPod just like we would any other mac...hmm

ParisParamus
Sep 4, 2007, 02:43 PM
Just curious about the psychology and equities of Apple asking various sites to remove/desist from posting the mockups of new hardware; doesn't that give more credence to the leaked info being authentic? Or....? What do you think?

Unspeaked
Sep 4, 2007, 02:46 PM
Just curious about the psychology and equities of Apple asking various sites to remove/desist from posting the mockups of new hardware; doesn't that give more credence to the leaked info being authentic? Or....? What do you think?

Either that or it's reverse psychology.

Either way, all it leads to is speculation....

Rhosfelt
Sep 4, 2007, 02:46 PM
Just curious about the psychology and equities of Apple asking various sites to remove/desist from posting the mockups of new hardware; doesn't that give more credence to the leaked info being authentic? Or....? What do you think?

From what I recall the only things taken off the net were the "spy photos" on 9to5..

DaBrain
Sep 4, 2007, 02:47 PM
:eek::D:D:D:D
We will find out tomorrow if he is full of sh** or not.

He's already admited in his own words that he lied and intentionaly misled yous! He states so on the Think Secret Forums. End of Story!

Now, what about them new iPods?--)))

Wi Fi crippled or uninhibited Wi Fi, that is the question?

If crippled, I get to keep my money. :eek:

afields
Sep 4, 2007, 02:47 PM
why has macrumors not received an invite for the last two events?

DaBrain
Sep 4, 2007, 02:50 PM
Anyone else think that - after seeing the announcement that this is being held at Moscone - this might turn out to be *just* a "Beatles Available on iTunes!!!" announcement and nothing more...?

I can see it now: Paul and Ringo there, a live performance, tons of media, a whole section of the iTMS devoted to the band, a slew of new print and television ads, etc.

Of course, I'm not expecting this... but I think it's a lot more likely than I did, say, last night...

That might make sense if there wasn't such a shortage of iPods World Wide!

Perhaps there will do both? One can only hope! ;)

dernhelm
Sep 4, 2007, 03:00 PM
My guess is the price points will stay the same. The days of a $499 iPod only are done. The dif b/t the iPod and iPhone will be features. IF tomorrows iPod has Wi-Fi it will NOT have a true browser, but rather connectivity to the iTMS only. Maybe some other "stores." Maybe allow synching via Wi-Fi. But there will be no Wi-Fi Internet browsing or emailing. Watch and see, Steve is going to make sure there is a definitive difference b/t the iPod, media player device and iPhone, communication device w/ media player.

Man I hope you're right about the pricing!

But I just don't see a lot of benefit to allowing WiFi access to iTMS. I guess it's just because I can't see myself using it. For me, the "killer feature" for WiFi is being able to use the iPhone style apps (Google/Safari/etc) from my iPod. If they enabled the iTMS integration, so much the better, but if Apple RESTRICTED WiFi so it only worked with iTMS, I think they'd get hammered in the press for something like that.

The other reason I don't see iTMS integration in here is because they didn't do it on the iPhone. The iPhone is the more obvious device to build that functionality into (since it has always on internet capabilities). But there was no hint of that functionality being in there. I don't know - I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

Rick America
Sep 4, 2007, 03:04 PM
I can tell you right now that I know there will be one other thing announced at least. It deals with a major company and the company's chairman will be at the event tomorrow.

Eric Schmidt,...CEO of Google...also on Apple's Board of Directors...(do the math!)

sblasl
Sep 4, 2007, 03:07 PM
$449.00

Anyone wish to take a shot at the price points and capacity? Assuming they are revamping their entire line (crosses fingers)

Shuffle...

Nano (Fatpod)...

Widescreen Touch screen ipod
Assuming its HDD, how many gigs at what price?
Assuming its Flash, how many gigs at what price?

nirvana06
Sep 4, 2007, 03:08 PM
My guess is the price points will stay the same. The days of a $499 iPod only are done. The dif b/t the iPod and iPhone will be features. IF tomorrows iPod has Wi-Fi it will NOT have a true browser, but rather connectivity to the iTMS only. Maybe some other "stores." Maybe allow synching via Wi-Fi. But there will be no Wi-Fi Internet browsing or emailing. Watch and see, Steve is going to make sure there is a definitive difference b/t the iPod, media player device and iPhone, communication device w/ media player.


WiFi without true browser = waste of time and money. Even if it does not come with a browser initially I bet at some point someone will make one work.

sblasl
Sep 4, 2007, 03:08 PM
YouTube will be put on the iPod, just like the iPhone.

Eric Schmidt,...CEO of Google...also on Apple's Board of Directors...(do the math!)

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 03:08 PM
When Apple takes down those so-called "spy pictures", they're most likely using reverse psychology. I really don't think they would leave a trail of clues. I think they know that the mac rumor site would figure it all out :D .

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 03:11 PM
One more thing.........

The 3G iPhone will be available from tomorrow in Europe :D

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 03:13 PM
One more thing.........

The 3G iPhone will be available from tomorrow in Europe :D

That would be nice, but I don't think that it's going to happen. It's more of a Paris Expo thing, if you know what I mean.

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 03:15 PM
What they release tomorrow will make my decision for me......

Ipod Touch = iPhone without phone capabilities : will buy this

if not

iPhone (as long its not some ridiculous price over here (am used to paying nothing for my phones)

Roy Hobbs
Sep 4, 2007, 03:15 PM
why has macrumors not received an invite for the last two events?

macRUMORS, it seems as if Apple is only inviting "legitimate" news sources not rumor sites.

Antares
Sep 4, 2007, 03:16 PM
I believe Apple will announce a new iPod Hi-Fi...an iPod Hi-Fi 2, if you will.

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 03:17 PM
I believe Apple will announce a new iPod Hi-Fi...an iPod Hi-Fi 2, if you will.

In five different colours, to match your new Nano :D

zedsdead
Sep 4, 2007, 03:17 PM
That would be nice, but I don't think that it's going to happen. It's more of a Paris Expo thing, if you know what I mean.

I agree...the only iPhone news I expect to hear tomorrow is that of Ringtones, and maybe a Radio service (which would be with the iPod as well).

There is no way Apple is not releasing a widescreen iPod tomorrow...whether or not it is touchscreen or similar to the iPhone is up for grabs...they CANNOT keep the a screen that is worse than the Zune on their best iPod...it likely will be the Exact screen as the iPhone.

I personal am expecting a touchscreen iPod, but the Wi-Fi will only be for Youtube, iTunes Mobile Store (also coming to iPhone / Apple TV), and Apple TV remote connectivity.

If those Fat Nano's are real, then they are the new Nano's...anyone ever think the Nano would get touchscreen as well (I doubt it severally, but you never know).

animenick65
Sep 4, 2007, 03:20 PM
I like the idea of having a simpler layout such as the frontrow layout or the modded front row layout. See picture for how it could look like (obviously no DVD features)

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 03:21 PM
Yes, Steve Jobs made it VERY clear. The iPhone is unsubsidized.

He did? Link please?

From what I recall the only things taken off the net were the "spy photos" on 9to5..

They were taken off a number of sites, I don't know if those specific pictures are even available any more.

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 03:21 PM
I like the idea of having a simpler layout such as the frontrow layout or the modded front row layout. See picture for how it could look like (obviously no DVD features)


They could replace the dvd icon with a wi-fi icon

Blaxje
Sep 4, 2007, 03:23 PM
I believe Apple will announce a new iPod Hi-Fi...an iPod Hi-Fi 2, if you will.
This can actually happen. I work at Premium Reseller and a new shipment of Hi-Fi's is suspected to come in at the 6th. We were out of stock for some time now.

shrimpdesign
Sep 4, 2007, 03:27 PM
...they CANNOT keep the a screen that is worse than the Zune on their best iPod...

*cough* (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html)

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 03:27 PM
Whatever it is, there's definitely a ton of anticipation for it.

AAPL is up to 144, nearing the all time high after being under 130 only days ago.

zedsdead
Sep 4, 2007, 03:31 PM
I like the idea of having a simpler layout such as the frontrow layout or the modded front row layout. See picture for how it could look like (obviously no DVD features)

The iPod also has Games, Notes, Calander, Contacts...etc...you need more...I suspect it will look like the iPhone...the bottom four will be Music, Videos, Pictures, and the new iTunes Store...the rest on top will be Calander, Notes, Youtube, Games, etc...

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 03:33 PM
*cough* (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html)

What's your point? While the resolution is the same, there's certainly an argument to be made that a bigger screen is better. If they were to make the screen bigger, even without increasing resolution, you wouldn't consider that an improvement?

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 03:34 PM
The iPod also has Games, Notes, Calander, Contacts...etc...you need more...I suspect it will look like the iPhone...the bottom four will be Music, Videos, Pictures, and the new iTunes Store...the rest on top will be Calander, Notes, Youtube, Games, etc...


Yeah, I think I kind of agree with you. Although the simpler look is pretty cool, with all of the features you mentioned, I think it would be kind of hard to pull off.

But who knows??

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 03:35 PM
What's your point? While the resolution is the same, there's certainly an argument to be made that a bigger screen is better. If they were to make the screen bigger, even without increasing resolution, you wouldn't consider that an improvement?


I know for a fact that I wouldn't. I'm no screen expert, but wouldn't that make the screen more pixely? I'm not sure.

As long as they increase resolution when they make the screen bigger, it'll look good.

zedsdead
Sep 4, 2007, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I think I kind of agree with you. Although the simpler look is pretty cool, with all of the features you mentioned, I think it would be kind of hard to pull off.

But who knows??

Also, I understand having the home bottom on the bottom, but what would be above the screen? The iPhone has a speaker for the phone, nothing else...I still think the whole front might be a screen, with the home button on the side.

Also the new iPod should have speakers (hopefully two since it does not need a mic input, cause the iPhone's single speaker is not great).

ARM2007
Sep 4, 2007, 03:37 PM
Also, I understand having the home bottom on the bottom, but what would be above the screen? The iPhone has a speaker for the phone, nothing else...I still think the whole front might be a screen, with the home button on the side.

Also the new iPod should have speakers (hopefully two since it does not need a mic input, cause the iPhone's single speaker is not great).

Oh God No!!!!!!
Please don't give the iPod speakers.
The chavs would have a field day on the buses. Its bad enough with the tinny speakers on phones.........

zedsdead
Sep 4, 2007, 03:37 PM
I know for a fact that I wouldn't. I'm no screen expert, but wouldn't that make the screen more pixely? I'm not sure.

As long as they increase resolution when they make the screen bigger, it'll look good.

At the current resolution, I am sure they can squeeze another 1/2 Inch out of it...bigger than that though, and they need to up it...

I can't see the iPod getting a bigger screen than the iPhone...these two products will likely be on similar paths in terms of their construction...again though, we all shall see tomorrow.

Sulis
Sep 4, 2007, 03:40 PM
May have been mentioned in one of the countless posts on this event, but the Guardian is reporting that the whole thing is being streamed live to BBC Television Centre in the UK - suggesting an expansion in BBC content on iTunes to go with the new widescreen iPod? Would be amazing to have 7 day catch up syncing straight to the new one....

Then again, could be nothing! Link (http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2162225,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront)

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 03:41 PM
I know for a fact that I wouldn't. I'm no screen expert, but wouldn't that make the screen more pixely? I'm not sure.

As long as they increase resolution when they make the screen bigger, it'll look good.

The pixels are bigger, but so is the picture overall.

A 12" and 32" ntsc television have the same resolution. Do you really think the 32" one isn't better? Would you be just as happy watching the small one?

Same goes for HDTV.

Would you say a 52" 1080p tv isn't any better than a 32" 1080p TV?


I think there's plenty to bash about the zune, but to insist that a bigger screen isn't an improvement seems like RDF at its best.

ABM
Sep 4, 2007, 03:42 PM
Oh God No!!!!!!
Please don't give the iPod speakers.
The chavs would have a field day on the buses. Its bad enough with the tinny speakers on phones.........

I totally agree!

jont-uk
Sep 4, 2007, 03:43 PM
We now know who the musical act (or one of them) will be at the event anyway - KT Tunstall was approached and asked to play at the event ... she did a gig in Glasgow on Sunday night and was mentioned in the Radio 2 interview after the concert ...

Jon

nemaslov
Sep 4, 2007, 03:50 PM
We now know who the musical act (or one of them) will be at the event anyway - KT Tunstall was approached and asked to play at the event ... she did a gig in Glasgow on Sunday night and was mentioned in the Radio 2 interview after the concert ...

Jon

Maybe Moby Grape?...I went to Golden Gate Park this past Sunday for the 40th Anniversary of the Summer of Love. All day free. A wonderfully Sunny day!

The Beat went on.... http://www.2b1records.com/summeroflove40th/

A special Grape iPod??? :D

Mgkwho
Sep 4, 2007, 03:52 PM
Please fm tuner and bluetooth. Please please please.

-=|Mgkwho

padmasana
Sep 4, 2007, 03:53 PM
I believe Apple will announce a new iPod Hi-Fi...an iPod Hi-Fi 2, if you will.

I've thought the same thing. I don't think Apple will give up on this -- it makes too much sense in the whole scheme of things with the AppleTV.
I bought a Hi-Fi right after they were announced and a research firm called me a month or two later asking what I liked/disliked about it and what features I'd like for the future. So hopefully, that was a sign they planned to develop it further.
I'd love for it to accommodate streaming. That would make perfect sense if they are also going to put some wifi capability in the iPods.
Oh, who knows?
It's nice to dream, though.

viccles
Sep 4, 2007, 03:53 PM
Just on another topic...do you think there will be any new colours introduced to the high end iPods or changing of the material to like what the nano is? or still black and white

Project
Sep 4, 2007, 03:57 PM
If the iPods have wireless it would make sense to wirelessly stream music to the iPod HiFi2. Docking the iPod to the HiFi should automatically 'pair' the two, just like the iPhone bluetooth earpiece and its dock

twoodcc
Sep 4, 2007, 03:59 PM
well clearly new ipods are coming.....the question is the price, and what else is coming

108
Sep 4, 2007, 04:01 PM
Just curious about the psychology and equities of Apple asking various sites to remove/desist from posting the mockups of new hardware; doesn't that give more credence to the leaked info being authentic? Or....? What do you think?

I've always wondered about this myself.

These days, I think that maybe the Apple "Legal Team" is just a couple guys in the marketing department broom closet with an open web browser window and a red telephone.

Buschmaster
Sep 4, 2007, 04:08 PM
It will be a sad day when they even put a camera in an iPod.
I can think of one iPod with a camera in it.

williedigital
Sep 4, 2007, 04:13 PM
I personal am expecting a touchscreen iPod, but the Wi-Fi will only be for Youtube, iTunes Mobile Store (also coming to iPhone / Apple TV), and Apple TV remote connectivity.


What do you think Apple's response is to "why wont it do safari/ichat/etc?"

Also, wouldn't it be more likely to be an "itunes remote" since the Apple TV requires a computer running an itunes library?

Ember Whimsy
Sep 4, 2007, 04:16 PM
Just on another topic...do you think there will be any new colours introduced to the high end iPods or changing of the material to like what the nano is? or still black and white

I'd personally love to see colors for the larger iPod's... then I'd actually buy one. I'm a bit of a green nut, admittedly. XD

Anyone else have opinions about that? Do you think it's possible in the future?

Unspeaked
Sep 4, 2007, 04:16 PM
I can't see the iPod getting a bigger screen than the iPhone...these two products will likely be on similar paths in terms of their construction...again though, we all shall see tomorrow.

I can see the iPod getting a bigger screen than the iPhone.

I mean, I don't think it's likely, but I totally think it's a viable idea: the iPod is made primarly for the interface with the screen (video/music) while the iPhone places less emphasis on this (talking).

njfuzzy
Sep 4, 2007, 04:16 PM
If this is Richard Branson I am excited, if it's whoever is in charge of Starbucks, it's more of a shoulder shrug. :p

I'm hearing rumors of Apple getting into music "production"-- which I assume means one more step up the latter of distribution, unless Steve is in a band we haven't heard about. I wonder if the announcement will be Apple buying out one of the big record companies. It could afford to buy most of them for cash.

Unspeaked
Sep 4, 2007, 04:18 PM
May have been mentioned in one of the countless posts on this event, but the Guardian is reporting that the whole thing is being streamed live to BBC Television Centre in the UK - suggesting an expansion in BBC content on iTunes to go with the new widescreen iPod? Would be amazing to have 7 day catch up syncing straight to the new one....

Perhaps this just further confirms the Beatles rumor... I mean, that would be even bigger news in the UK than the States.

And KT might very well be covering a Beatles track...

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 04:18 PM
Yeah, I think I kind of agree with you. Although the simpler look is pretty cool, with all of the features you mentioned, I think it would be kind of hard to pull off.

But who knows??

It may look cool, but is not as efficient an interface. With a touch based UI, you simply touch the app you want- 1 click/command/whatever, and you're there.

With the FrontRow interface, you gotta scroll until you find the app you want, then select it. FrontRow uses this because of the Apple Remote. It's nice for what it is, but not the optimal solution for all interfaces.

Padraig
Sep 4, 2007, 04:20 PM
*cough* (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html)

Terrible article, full of logical fallacies; prime example of why we are tarnished as zealots.

I'm really hoping for a 800x480 screen tomorrow, if the machine is as expensive as rumoured. If it has one, i'm getting out the credit card.

sblasl
Sep 4, 2007, 04:21 PM
Apple's response: "Buy an iPhone". The iPod is a media device. The iPhone is that as well as a communication device.

What do you think Apple's response is to "why wont it do safari/ichat/etc?"

Also, wouldn't it be more likely to be an "itunes remote" since the Apple TV requires a computer running an itunes library?

mcoe19
Sep 4, 2007, 04:21 PM
Sorry, anyone got the GMT start time? Is it 5pm?

Ember Whimsy
Sep 4, 2007, 04:24 PM
Sorry, anyone got the GMT start time? Is it 5pm?

Yes it is! According to Engadget, at least.

mcoe19
Sep 4, 2007, 04:25 PM
Yes it is! According to Engadget, at least.

Thats annoying, I have to spend all day waiting. Unless I just sleep..... :p

shrimpdesign
Sep 4, 2007, 04:27 PM
What's your point? While the resolution is the same, there's certainly an argument to be made that a bigger screen is better. If they were to make the screen bigger, even without increasing resolution, you wouldn't consider that an improvement?

The bigger screen just makes content blurrier. Maybe that's better for video, but for interface/games/photos? No.

rdrr
Sep 4, 2007, 04:29 PM
My guess, is that no matter what apple announces tomorrow...

It won't fill the needs of everyone and there will be umpteen posts that list the items that make product X useless. Umpteen minus 1 posts about "what would you like to see in the next release of product X". And at least one "g5 powerbook next tuesday" post.

:p

viccles
Sep 4, 2007, 04:30 PM
I'd personally love to see colors for the larger iPod's... then I'd actually buy one. I'm a bit of a green nut, admittedly. XD

Anyone else have opinions about that? Do you think it's possible in the future?

Me too. I'd love to see a few colours added besides black and white. But if they are going to keep it 'premium' I can't really see it happening? *psst Apple a red one would be nice* :D

Parky
Sep 4, 2007, 04:31 PM
I guess the 'live act' at tomorrows launch is going to be Madonna as she has a song 'leaked' on the internet called "The Beat Goes On" - coincidence?

Ian

Ember Whimsy
Sep 4, 2007, 04:31 PM
My guess, is that no matter what apple announces tomorrow...

It won't fill the needs of everyone and there will be umpteen posts that list the items that make product X useless. Umpteen minus 1 posts about "what would you like to see in the next release of product X". And at least one "g5 powerbook next tuesday" post.

:p

I'll be happy ;) I just got a Nano so I'm just waiting until the release after this to get a new iPod. I'll sit there knowing what I'm getting will be better than what they've just announced... Unless it's so good I can't resist.

Either way... I win :D And that's the best way to think!

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 04:32 PM
The bigger screen just makes content blurrier. Maybe that's better for video, but for interface/games/photos? No.

In general this is of course true. But in the case of 'iPod vs. Zune', both devices actually have quite high DPI. I don't think the Zune screen appears blurry at all.

(of course, the Zune screen isn't even that much bigger than the 5G iPod screen.)

shrimpdesign
Sep 4, 2007, 04:35 PM
Terrible article, full of logical fallacies; prime example of why we are tarnished as zealots.

I was just linking to it for the first point, I actually didn't read it. The Zune's screen is the same resolution, and only slightly bigger. And it's not widescreen. All true and valid points.

Ember Whimsy
Sep 4, 2007, 04:37 PM
Me too. I'd love to see a few colours added besides black and white. But if they are going to keep it 'premium' I can't really see it happening? *psst Apple a red one would be nice* :D

Red would definitely be a nice one. Even black with red trim, or SOMETHING, they can keep it premium and classy while adding some color. iPods aren't made for business, primarily, so I don't see why they can't become a bit more colorful...

pubius
Sep 4, 2007, 04:42 PM
Me too. I'd love to see a few colours added besides black and white. But if they are going to keep it 'premium' I can't really see it happening? *psst Apple a red one would be nice* :D

ick. let's leave the hard candy shell to someone else. apple made a bold move away from the poppy rainbow of clamshell ibooks (old g3s, etc.) to serious (tasteful) advances in industrial design. let's not go back there anytime soon.

jabu31
Sep 4, 2007, 04:42 PM
Here i sit calmly waiting for the media event tomorrow at moscone west less than 19 hours away.:rolleyes:

As i dream of a ipod with touch screen and a wide screen with possibly wifi and maybe even a digital radio built into it I must think.:rolleyes:

I must think of previous product releases that I often felt somewhat shut out of my hopeful dreams of a possibly great product. For what was presented was an incredible product like the ipod video. I must say that I felt that Apple was holding back on some features that were present in other mp3 players but dismissed in the ipod because Apple stated that such features were frivolous and not ideal for the mp3 player.

I do hope that Apple has waken up and will include such mp3 standards like a FM radio..... instead of their 3 mile plug in cord remedy. And maybe present new features that are so groundbreaking that no other mp3 player has it. Like a wif ability.:rolleyes:

WAKEUP APPLE AND PLEASE DONT DISSAPPOINT THIS IPOD FAN:rolleyes:

I simply want my next ipod to be a touch screen .... the click wheel is so last year!!! And include such important standard features like digital radio ( MAKE IT HD RADIO AND ILL BE SURPRISED):eek:

Include wifi too...... thoguh i seriously dont know what that feature might do but it sounds nice!:rolleyes::p

This is just my wishlist....... ok now only 18 hours till the best media event of hopefully the year.:rolleyes::p

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 04:47 PM
Terrible article, full of logical fallacies; prime example of why we are tarnished as zealots.

While I disagree with the article's bigger screen/=better argument, the rest seem mostly valid to me. What's the problem? Don't forget that the article was published when the zune first shipped, they've probably fixed some of the zune problems by now.

When zune shipped, there was a ton of misinformation floating around, such as claims that the zune was widescreen. That article was addressing them, and I think it generally did a good job.

The bigger screen just makes content blurrier. Maybe that's better for video, but for interface/games/photos? No.

Blurrier? No. The pixels are just bigger. But so is the picture. And isn't video a major part of these units?

As I said before, what about TV? Do you consider a bigger screen at the same resolution *not* to be better? This seems like fanboy spin to me, it just seems bizarre to try and spin a smaller screen as an advantage.

I was just linking to it for the first point, I actually didn't read it. The Zune's screen is the same resolution, and only slightly bigger. And it's not widescreen. All true and valid points.

While all true, slightly bigger is still an advantage. And somewhat moot points since I don't believe anyone here ever claimed that the zune was higher resolution or widescreen.

jabu31
Sep 4, 2007, 04:47 PM
Red would definitely be a nice one. Even black with red trim, or SOMETHING, they can keep it premium and classy while adding some color. iPods aren't made for business, primarily, so I don't see why they can't become a bit more colorful...

I own a red nano now. I seriously love the red color!:D ITs so cool adn vibrant. Black and white are to drab and harsh to the eye. Id like a red premium ipod or any color. Maybe even a slick sluminum body than the current plastic bodies. :rolleyes:

I keep looking at this link.......soooo alluring!:cool::rolleyes:

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0709preipod.html

jont-uk
Sep 4, 2007, 04:48 PM
I guess the 'live act' at tomorrows launch is going to be Madonna as she has a song 'leaked' on the internet called "The Beat Goes On" - coincidence?

Ian

Nope - KT Tunstall ... http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4129459&postcount=162

Jon

Padraig
Sep 4, 2007, 04:49 PM
I was just linking to it for the first point, I actually didn't read it. The Zune's screen is the same resolution, and only slightly bigger. And it's not widescreen. All true and valid points.

Does MS claim it's widescreen? (Honestly i don't know) Even if it isn't, so what, neither is the ipod or iphone. The Zune's screen is excellent, one of the devices few positive features.

Read the article, I actually thought it was a parody at first. For example,

"Viewed comfortably in the hand, the tiny iPod screen is the same relative size as a 27" TV viewed from across a small room. The difference between the tiny iPod screen and the small Zune screen is relatively equivalent to viewing the iPod an inch or two closer--hardly the big deal Microsoft is trying to make it out to be."

Honestly, there is no way you defend that.

TaKashMoney
Sep 4, 2007, 04:51 PM
I dont have access to an apple store. If the ipod of my dreams is released tomorrow, do you think it would faster for me to receive one by mail (ordering it from the online apple store) or pick it up at a best buy/target/circuit city? Would the retail stores have them in stock?

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 04:52 PM
Does MS claim it's widescreen?

When Zune first shipped, MANY articles about it incorrectly said it was widescreen. The article was a reaction to that.

Padraig
Sep 4, 2007, 04:56 PM
When Zune first shipped, MANY articles about it incorrectly said it was widescreen. The article was a reaction to that.

But did MS?

Back to the iPod, saw an Archos 605 the other day and i couldn't help but imagine the screen in a sleeker apple enclosure.

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 05:01 PM
But did MS?

I don't think so. But what's the relevance of that?

GregA
Sep 4, 2007, 05:15 PM
this is an iPod-related even. Look at the invitation, a person with an iPod! CoverFlow! Album Art! I don't think that they would have those things for something like a Logic Pro release, would you?

Well.. an iTunes related event anyway. iPod replacements?, iPhone (software update? price drop?), iTunes shows (HD? Rental?), AppleTV (software update? price drop? new media server?).

My guess:

Shuffle (1GB and 2GB) - Same price points.

iPod Nano (4GB, 8GB, 16GB) - Similar price points. - with video

iPod 6G (60GB, 120GB) - $249, $299 - Same interface as Nano, perhaps Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. (less confident about this than the others)

iPod Touch (8GB, 16GB, and perhaps, but unlikely 32GB) Wi-Fi with access limited to iTMS and for software updates. No SMS, No Camera, No Safari, No Mail. $349, $399, $499.

Apple TV software updates and movie rentals.

Possible, but unlikely, new iPhone Nano
Interesting guesses. I agree the iPhone Nano is possible but unlikely.

Other possibilities are upgrades so iPhone/iPod/AppleTV can buy from the iTunes store without iTunes. I keep wondering if we'll be able to sync our iTunes libraries between computers (possibly via .Mac?).

But it's all speculation... the only rumours we've seen are iPods.

Since the new iPods will run a version of OSX, do you guys think it could require a paid update to Leopard when it comes out?
I doubt OS upgrades will cost for AppleTV/iPhone/iPods.

Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if they upgraded to Leopard underpinnings tomorrow.

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 05:18 PM
Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if they upgraded to Leopard underpinnings tomorrow.

Absolutely, iPhone is running on a version of Leopard already. Not that the user can even tell though.

penter
Sep 4, 2007, 05:20 PM
is this really it?!?!?!?

i can't believe it, i think im gonna cry. after having waited SO LONG since my black and white 3G ipod broke, its finally here!!!!

is anyone here as happy as i am??

I have NO complaints, on my end :) ill be happy with whatever features it has. for those of you that are wondering abut the price, well..... DONT. this will be bigger and better than any ipod before, and i dont think there should even be argument on any matter whatsoever. :cool:

pcorajr
Sep 4, 2007, 05:24 PM
Wonder is these new iPods will be available the same day as with the iMacs?

If these new iPods are iPhonr - phone capability and under 400 I will be all over them. Currently i carry a PSP with a 2gb memory stick in it so I dont have much space but it would be nice to have a iPhone like iPod with at least 60 GB of space and wireless so I can replace my PSP.

destroyboredom
Sep 4, 2007, 05:28 PM
Here's my opinion on the iPod touch tomm. I agree that it will have wi-fi but with limited capability. But I don't think it will be limited to just ITMS. I see Apple going the direction of widgets to add additional features and at the same time not including a full featured browser. Think about it, youtube, stock quotes, quicktime trailers, etc..

I would think there also has to be more since they are having it at Moscone...what? I have no idea. Seems odd to book Moscone for an iPod update...granted its a huge update but still.

wolfpackfan
Sep 4, 2007, 05:28 PM
You know I don't seem to be reading much about the new Nanos. Am I the only one excited about them? At first, I wasn't real excited with the early renderings, but the latest photos looked really neat IMO. Right now I have a 30GB 5.5G but am thinking about "downgrading" to the new Nano. I used to have a Nano and really miss the smaller size. I got the 5.5G thinking I'd watch a lot of videos on it, but find I really don't watch many on it at all. I find I use my laptop to watch videos more than the iPod. I can't see myself getting the new iPod Touch. It will be just too expensive.

shrimpdesign
Sep 4, 2007, 05:30 PM
Blurrier? No. The pixels are just bigger. But so is the picture. And isn't video a major part of these units?

As I said before, what about TV? Do you consider a bigger screen at the same resolution *not* to be better? This seems like fanboy spin to me, it just seems bizarre to try and spin a smaller screen as an advantage.

While all true, slightly bigger is still an advantage. And somewhat moot points since I don't believe anyone here ever claimed that the zune was higher resolution or widescreen.

I just posted the article because "zedsdead" was making a big deal out of the "worse" iPod screen. The Zune's screen, at best, is slightly better than the iPod's. There's a lot of common misconception about the Zune's screen, I was just trying to clear it up for anyone, not just you or Padraig.

Project
Sep 4, 2007, 05:34 PM
I just asked the dude at the Genius Bar if they had taken delivery of the new iPods into the store yet. He said "I have no idea what you are talking about..", with a wry smile on his face - seems even the retail staff keep their mouths shut when it comes to keeping secrets. Steve got them well trained, lol.

GregA
Sep 4, 2007, 05:35 PM
Actually.. all I WANT is an iPod Nano 8GB with Video, plus a TV dock so I can dock it to the TV and use it like an AppleTV (including wireless syncing to my Mac).

Too much to ask?
Probably.

AppleTV (software update? price drop? new media server?)
I just realised they could also release an AppleTV which works on older TVs. That'd be useful.
(Or a version without a hard disk - though I find that unlikely)

nicksan
Sep 4, 2007, 05:35 PM
My guesses...

iPod Touch - Same style as iPhone, but with size of 5G. Touch screen, Coverflow etc. 60GB/120GB, with some flash memory used as a buffer to reduce HDD usage. No wi-fi (bar maybe iTunes Store access).

iPod Nano - The stumpy one from the leaked photos. 8GB/16GB. Sort of a cross between 5G iPod, and the last Nano. Music and video for the person with style in mind.

Shuffle - Upgraded capacities.

slabwax
Sep 4, 2007, 05:40 PM
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you are so freaking wrong,
i know many people that are pissed at the idea that the new ipod may have very similar functions as the iphone. why spend 600 on a phone with an ipod, when you can spend 300 on an ipod and get a phone for free on whatever carrier you want. Personally i think a new jacked up ipod will be a slap in the face to all current iphone owners, THANKS IN ADVANCE CRAPPLE!!!!!!

Why does one product cancels out the other? If Apple sells the new high end Ipod for very close to the same price as the Iphone It will not eat into the sales of the iphone. AT&T exclusive for five years cuts in to the sales of the Iphone. Even if they put safari in the new ipod with wifi only features in it . It's not at all like a cell phone. No microphone,no ear piece. (I guess you could use your headphones). no sim, no esn = no Iphone. I would never buy a ipod with less than 80gig hdd in it today. Some of us want lots of space. You might not agree. But it is true. Some people will never fill 4 gigs of I phone. Why would they buy a 100 gig Ipod. Does anyone else get it It is two completely different products for two completely different consumers. But most people email and go online so everyone wants that. Now none of us have any idea what apple will do in the morning.
People will spend stupid money on anything if they feel it is what they need/want.

I'm done now
Dean

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 05:49 PM
I just posted the article because "zedsdead" was making a big deal out of the "worse" iPod screen. The Zune's screen, at best, is slightly better than the iPod's. There's a lot of common misconception about the Zune's screen, I was just trying to clear it up for anyone, not just you or Padraig.

This was all I saw, did I miss something?

"they CANNOT keep the a screen that is worse than the Zune on their best iPod"

I wouldn't call that making a big deal, it's just stating the situation. And yes, the screen on the zune is better. Nobody here said it's a higher resolution, nobody here said it's widescreen. But it is bigger, and that's an advantage. I still don't see any "misconception" in what zed said.

zedsdead
Sep 4, 2007, 05:50 PM
I just posted the article because "zedsdead" was making a big deal out of the "worse" iPod screen. The Zune's screen, at best, is slightly better than the iPod's. There's a lot of common misconception about the Zune's screen, I was just trying to clear it up for anyone, not just you or Padraig.

I was not making a big deal out of it....but the fact is that the screen is slightly better...now...the 5g iPod screen cannot hold a candle to the iPhone(i know, b/c I have both...I have no doubt we will see a widescreen iPod tomorrow.

Rhosfelt
Sep 4, 2007, 05:50 PM
The thing about the wifi/safari/you tube debate is, would it really be called an iPod if it has access to the internet via any means?

Not throwing stones or anything, (and as we all heard probably a million times) but the iPhone says three devices (phone, iPod, revolutionary internet device).

All i know is I have a 60GB video that is pretty beat up, and if they have a touch screen iPod tomorrow I will pull out the credit card and spend away. (I have about 440 saved up :))

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 05:53 PM
you are so freaking wrong,
i know many people that are pissed at the idea that the new ipod may have very similar functions as the iphone. why spend 600 on a phone with an ipod, when you can spend 300 on an ipod and get a phone for free on whatever carrier you want. Personally i think a new jacked up ipod will be a slap in the face to all current iphone owners, THANKS IN ADVANCE CRAPPLE!!!!!!

I've said this before on the other thread, and I'll happily say it again:


Wow buddy, calm down. I hope your mom dosen't put the wrong lunch meat on your sandwich; you would kill her!!

First off, this is an Apple Rumors Site, not a soundingboard for your warped and malicious opinions. Second of all, no, I wasn't wrong, I tried to create a thoughtful analysis of what might happen on Wednesday. You, on the other hand, spewed hate. Just because you are jealous of the soon-to-be new iPod doesn't mean you have to take it all out on us.

I may be wrong, but at least I tried to use my best judgement. Do us all a favor, and please refrain from unruly conduct next time you post. The forum rules might help you a bit. Hey, it may even become your Bible.

Update:
By the way, I read your previous edits, and they're all attacks on other users. You better stop or someone can and will report you for abuse.

izzle22
Sep 4, 2007, 05:54 PM
The thing about the wifi/safari/you tube debate is, would it really be called an iPod if it has access to the internet via any means?

Not throwing stones or anything, (and as we all heard probably a million times) but the iPhone says three devices (phone, iPod, revolutionary internet device).


I'm with you. As much as I want this new iPod to have wifi/safari I really don't think it will. Maybe the next version but not this one. I've still got my fingers crossed.

unclewinkie
Sep 4, 2007, 05:59 PM
the new ipods will not be very good. At&t pays $200 for every iphone that apple makes. so if apple would of made their own network they would have charged $800, but at&t is not helping pay for the ipod it will cost more or the same as the iphone. plus the iphone has only 8 gigs of memory. So the new ipods will not be touch screen or any thing like the iphone. :(:apple:

Loge
Sep 4, 2007, 06:06 PM
May have been mentioned in one of the countless posts on this event, but the Guardian is reporting that the whole thing is being streamed live to BBC Television Centre in the UK - suggesting an expansion in BBC content on iTunes to go with the new widescreen iPod? Would be amazing to have 7 day catch up syncing straight to the new one....

Then again, could be nothing! Link (http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2162225,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront)

Another article falling for the all-flash nonsense. :rolleyes:

Though they've been patchy lately, I'm with Thinksecret on this one.

bluedevil14
Sep 4, 2007, 06:13 PM
im just hoping for custom ringtones for the iphone.

maybe will see some other iPhone-related announcements such as a IM client?

cammo427
Sep 4, 2007, 06:14 PM
If they add wifi lets hope they allow it to be used for downloading music etc. The inability to use the Zune's wifi except to communicate with another Zune has proven to me Microsoft is clueless as far as user needs and wants are concerned.

Are you kidding me? I don't see much use for a wireless iTMS.

Does anyone think it'll have a camera? Or is that too far out there?

That would be nice. I can see it now... Apple and Canon join forces and release a iPod Powershot. Wouldn't that be nice... I don't see it happening though.

Anyone else think that - after seeing the announcement that this is being held at Moscone - this might turn out to be *just* a "Beatles Available on iTunes!!!" announcement and nothing more...?

I can see it now: Paul and Ringo there, a live performance, tons of media, a whole section of the iTMS devoted to the band, a slew of new print and television ads, etc.

Of course, I'm not expecting this... but I think it's a lot more likely than I did, say, last night...

That would be so depressing. I love The Beatles but seriously, I already have their cd's ripped to my iTunes.

YouTube will be put on the iPod, just like the iPhone.

I really do see this happening. Good call.

I just asked the dude at the Genius Bar if they had taken delivery of the new iPods into the store yet. He said "I have no idea what you are talking about..", with a wry smile on his face - seems even the retail staff keep their mouths shut when it comes to keeping secrets. Steve got them well trained, lol.

LOL! I do this all the time on the live chat. I am a terrible person.

As the day comes to an end, I am going to put in my final predictions...

iPod nano offered in 4 gigs for $149, 8 gigs for $199, and 16 gigs for $249. video capabilities and offered in Silver, Red, Blue, Green, Pink, and Orange.

Shuffle 1 gig for $79 and 2 gigs for $99 offered in same colors plus product red only in 2 gig version.

iPod touch 60 gig for $399 and 120 gig for $499. Features will include wifi with iTMS and YouTube apps with a Safari and Mail app in a later update. There will not be a digital radio feature. It's not like Apple.

AppleTV probably won't have an update.

iPodHifi will have an update that includes airtunes. Apple won't give up on iPodHifi... At least not yet. They should have a long time ago. It would be cool if this were in the 6 said colors. And was only 149. It would sell then. Oh, and it needs some kind of a cool clock and s-video. I might get one for my dorm room then.

Until then, I am not even going to get on this website. I have already exceeded my bandwidth for the week (curse you Bit Torrent) so my internet is slower than ever. I think I will just go to bed now and sleep for 13 hours. Go to class, and sit down and gawk at the new toys.

nemaslov
Sep 4, 2007, 06:15 PM
is this really it?!?!?!?

i can't believe it, i think im gonna cry. after having waited SO LONG since my black and white 3G ipod broke, its finally here!!!!

is anyone here as happy as i am??

I have NO complaints, on my end :) ill be happy with whatever features it has. for those of you that are wondering abut the price, well..... DONT. this will be bigger and better than any ipod before, and i dont think there should even be argument on any matter whatsoever. :cool:

I will only argue if at least ONE version is smaller than 120GB (160 would be even better). I NEED ALL MY MUSIC WITH ME!!!

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 06:18 PM
The thing about the wifi/safari/you tube debate is, would it really be called an iPod if it has access to the internet via any means?

Not throwing stones or anything, (and as we all heard probably a million times) but the iPhone says three devices (phone, iPod, revolutionary internet device).

All i know is I have a 60GB video that is pretty beat up, and if they have a touch screen iPod tomorrow I will pull out the credit card and spend away. (I have about 440 saved up :))

1. The name 'iPod' was chosen partly because it does not specifically refer to music, so other functions could be added. Unfortunately they didn't do the same for iTunes, which you use for purchasing movies. (not a big deal of course.)

2. The iPod already does stuff other than play music. It's inevitable that functionality will expand with new versions.

I'm not saying wifi/safari/iChat/etc. is coming tomorrow, but it will eventually come.

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 06:19 PM
Do you have a source on that? Most analysts think Apple is getting a kickback on suscriber fee, but not on the hardware sale.

the new ipods will not be very good. At&t pays $200 for every iphone that apple makes. so if apple would of made their own network they would have charged $800, but at&t is not helping pay for the ipod it will cost more or the same as the iphone. plus the iphone has only 8 gigs of memory. So the new ipods will not be touch screen or any thing like the iphone. :(:apple:

nemaslov
Sep 4, 2007, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Unspeaked
Anyone else think that - after seeing the announcement that this is being held at Moscone - this might turn out to be *just* a "Beatles Available on iTunes!!!" announcement and nothing more...?

I can see it now: Paul and Ringo there, a live performance, tons of media, a whole section of the iTMS devoted to the band, a slew of new print and television ads, etc.



Of course, I'm not expecting this... but I think it's a lot more likely than I did, say, last night...

Well the Beatles did play their last ever official concert In San Francisco (aside from the Let it Be Apple rooftop filming on Saville Row). That would be a nice...encore...41 years later...

ABM
Sep 4, 2007, 06:23 PM
Only a bit more than 17.5 hours to wait... :apple:

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 06:26 PM
LOL, the Beatles appear, and then get booed off stage when it's apparent no wifi phoneless iPod is coming!! WTF!!!! :)


No, it's not going to just be a Beatles announcement. Why would Apple have totally cleared distribution channels of existing iPods?

Originally Posted by Unspeaked
Anyone else think that - after seeing the announcement that this is being held at Moscone - this might turn out to be *just* a "Beatles Available on iTunes!!!" announcement and nothing more...?

I can see it now: Paul and Ringo there, a live performance, tons of media, a whole section of the iTMS devoted to the band, a slew of new print and television ads, etc.



Of course, I'm not expecting this... but I think it's a lot more likely than I did, say, last night...

Well the Beatles did play their last ever official concert In San Francisco (aside from the Let it Be Apple rooftop filming on Saville Row). That would be a nice...encore...41 years later...

slabwax
Sep 4, 2007, 06:27 PM
You know what's so funny. HAHAHA

All this about a TOY. Thats right a TOY! Before you slam me I'm no better. But if this was my son a few days before xmas I'd say ENOUGH ALL READY. Thank goodness Santa Jobs comes in the morning. I really need to move on with my life. I don't know about you folks.


I'm done now!
Dean

madmaxmedia
Sep 4, 2007, 06:32 PM
All this about a TOY. Thats right a TOY!

LOL, but that's exactly why everyone is so excited! ;)

Chundles
Sep 4, 2007, 06:39 PM
You know what's so funny. HAHAHA

All this about a TOY. Thats right a TOY! Before you slam me I'm no better. But if this was my son a few days before xmas I'd say ENOUGH ALL READY. Thank goodness Santa Jobs comes in the morning. I really need to move on with my life. I don't know about you folks.


I'm done now!
Dean

Pretty sure an iPod is not a toy.... When was the last time you spent A$350+ on a toy that had a miniature hard drive, an operating system, multiple video/audio/image playback capabilities and a sophisticated user interface. It's definitely not a toy.

hatcher146
Sep 4, 2007, 06:40 PM
the basic things i want in my iPod is....a touchscreen and about 80gb

my wishing iPod is to have wifi WITH SAFARI....if apple does this tomorrow i will be estatic!!! :eek::eek::D

cant wait!! :apple:

prisoner54
Sep 4, 2007, 06:41 PM
Another article falling for the all-flash nonsense. :rolleyes:

Though they've been patchy lately, I'm with Thinksecret on this one.

i agree - actually if you read the article it is from the Media section and not from the Technology section (which is usually more discerning and worthwhile on tech matters, as you can guess...).

and it would make no sense if video files are becoming more a priority to go purely NAND. rubbish article.

oh, and people: Ars Technica is doing live coverage (don't think anyone has posted this yet, could be wrong):
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/04/live-coverage-of-apples-the-beat-goes-on-event

being in europe i have to go to sleep now

slabwax
Sep 4, 2007, 06:45 PM
Pretty sure an iPod is not a toy.... When was the last time you spent A$350+ on a toy that had a miniature hard drive, an operating system, multiple video/audio/image playback capabilities and a sophisticated user interface. It's definitely not a toy.

Have you seen the new toys and games for kids these days. An Ipod is just a toy for teens and adults. Sorry it's just a toy.

rdowns
Sep 4, 2007, 06:49 PM
Have you seen the new toys and games for kids these days. An Ipod is just a toy for teens and adults. Sorry it's just a toy.

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. :D

milo
Sep 4, 2007, 06:57 PM
Have you seen the new toys and games for kids these days. An Ipod is just a toy for teens and adults. Sorry it's just a toy.

"Just" a toy? Like a toy is a bad thing? Bring it on already.

thejakill
Sep 4, 2007, 06:57 PM
i want a black shuffle.

also, internet radio on an ipod would be great, especially if they added the feature to the iphone.

Sweetbike40
Sep 4, 2007, 07:03 PM
I just have to add my two cents. Ever since my $500 40G iPod broke after 14 months (i didn't buy the warranty, with one minor drop and a good case), I swore i would NEVER pay that much for a hard drive ever again. At first switching over to a 1Gig Nano was VERY difficult but quickly I became used to it. I have phases of listening to the same stuff over and over again, so i didn't really need all the space anyway. I LOVE the flash iPod. It gets knocked around and dropped and i've never had a problem with it.

I will be very disappointed if the iTouch is only a hard drive and priced around $500. And I'm afraid Wi-Fi may bring up the price. If you need to be in a hot spot to use the Wi-Fi, isn't that frustrating and a waste?

I would LOVE if they introduced a Widescreen for showing off your pics/viewing videos, Touchscreen because it's cool, forward/back buttons for active people or driving, GAMEPLAY, 30/60G, Flash because it's faster and not as fragile.

30G $350
60G $450

I can't wait for tomorrow like everyone else on here.:p

WorldMage
Sep 4, 2007, 07:04 PM
My prediction is that boosted by the hype around the iPhone's release, Jobs' Reality Distortion Field has finally reached critical mass and all the Beatles WILL be reunited on stage, and start a live tour, content hosted exclusively on iTunes.

Or they may be introducing the next round of iPods...

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 07:05 PM
Wonder is these new iPods will be available the same day as with the iMacs?

im thinking they will. if theyve been out of ipods for over a week now they must be losing a lot of money. i expect they will want to resupply everyone quickly.

havenhamilton
Sep 4, 2007, 07:10 PM
maybe will see some other iPhone-related announcements such as a IM client?

that wouldnt surprise me, today two diff client went beta for im

prisoner54
Sep 4, 2007, 07:14 PM
I would LOVE if they introduced a Widescreen for showing off your pics/viewing videos, Touchscreen because it's cool, forward/back buttons for active people or driving, GAMEPLAY, 30/60G, Flash because it's faster and not as fragile.

30G $350
60G $450

I can't wait for tomorrow like everyone else on here.:p

erm, i would *love* it too if there were flash drive capacities of that size suddenly, but basically it would be *far* more expensive than the prices you suggest - unless Steve has been hiving off stocks of NAND memory chips for months, discovered a new manufacturing process, or something. the likelihood of this happening ready for tomorrow is miniscule, although we can dream :)

more likely it will be a HDD Touch, and that will still be worth an upgrade especially if the screen is now a decent size like the iPhone. it might even make me watch movies from time to time without feeling silly or squinting like a weirdo.

prisoner54
Sep 4, 2007, 07:17 PM
im thinking they will. if theyve been out of ipods for over a week now they must be losing a lot of money. i expect they will want to resupply everyone quickly.

yes - actually :apple: is starting to take europe seriously. i ordered my alum imac on the day it was released, and received it the *next day*. ever since then i've been i) incredibly impressed and ii) thinking that simultaneous rollout in euroland for ipods is likely... fingers xed

gusapple
Sep 4, 2007, 07:18 PM
My prediction is that boosted by the hype around the iPhone's release, Jobs' Reality Distortion Field has finally reached critical mass and all the Beatles WILL be reunited on stage, and start a live tour, content hosted exclusively on iTunes.

Or they may be introducing the next round of iPods...

WOW! That would be the ultimate Apple Event!:) If only we could get George and John back.:(:(:(:(

I think I will get no sleep tonight. The Nano sounds cool, but an iPod Touch would be AMAZING! Also I have been looking into the Macworld February issue and seen some interesting views in the Future of Apple Column. Most of the people say that a widescreen iPod could happen as soon as spring and October at the latest. Although, this might have just been the iPhone, but they seemed confident that it was a wide-screen iPod. But, "we all know when it will be." Says John Moltz, of Crazy Apple Rumors site," The next time Steve Jobs says 'oh, and one more thing.'" :D

paulyras
Sep 4, 2007, 07:23 PM
i just dont think the whole thing is going to be flash based, i think its going to be hd based with a large flash buffer.

This is the intelligent post of the night. The main benefit of flash based ipods (battery life), could be achieved without the main drawback (the cost of 32 or 64gb of flash), by adding a 1 or 2gb buffer. Even video would only need to refresh, what, every hour or two with a 2gb buffer?

Once the drive has spun up, for audio, you could easily pull down to the flash layer 10s to 100s of songs for little more juice than just doing it one song at a time.

Sean Dempsey
Sep 4, 2007, 07:26 PM
This is the intelligent post of the night. The main benefit of flash based ipods (battery life), could be achieved without the main drawback (the cost of 32 or 64gb of flash), by adding a 1 or 2gb buffer. Even video would only need to refresh, what, every hour or two with a 2gb buffer?

Once the drive has spun up, for audio, you could easily pull down to the flash layer 10s to 100s of songs for little more juice than just doing it one song at a time.

I use my 2gb nano alot just because I get tired of the delay between songs on my 30gb.

A big flash buffer would be cool, but wouldn't help skipping around songs that aren't in a playlist or album. But still cool.

Sweetbike40
Sep 4, 2007, 07:27 PM
erm, i would *love* it too if there were flash drive capacities of that size suddenly, but basically it would be *far* more expensive than the prices you suggest - unless Steve has been hiving off stocks of NAND memory chips for months, discovered a new manufacturing process, or something. the likelihood of this happening ready for tomorrow is miniscule, although we can dream :)

more likely it will be a HDD Touch, and that will still be worth an upgrade especially if the screen is now a decent size like the iPhone. it might even make me watch movies from time to time without feeling silly or squinting like a weirdo.

Yes, i guess i am dreaming with those prices being how expensive Nanos are now. I thought i read something earlier today either in here or somewhere else about how flash is a little cheaper now. I'd take the 16G also in NAND. I know a lot of people like to have storage for videos but personally i'd be happy with one movie at a time, maybe 2 music videos and some pics, and the rest for music. That is what the ipod is all about anyway.. music. Please no radio stations of any kind. I have an ipod because i can't stand the radio.

ErikGrim
Sep 4, 2007, 07:47 PM
I just asked the dude at the Genius Bar if they had taken delivery of the new iPods into the store yet. He said "I have no idea what you are talking about..", with a wry smile on his face - seems even the retail staff keep their mouths shut when it comes to keeping secrets. Steve got them well trained, lol.

*sigh*

You do know that Apple Store employees are as clueless as you are about upcoming updates right? In fact even Apple employees working on campus won't know unless they are directly involved with the product in question.

My take on all this:
The beat goes on
This is a direct reference to the Beatles' last press release. So yes, expect to see some sort of Beatles announcement. We already know their catalogue has been remastered for digital release, so this 45th anniversary is as good as any date to release it. You'll probably see either Ringo or Paul or if we are lucky both on stage.

And for crying out loud, no it does not refer to Madonna. KT Tunstall appearing has little relevance to this.

iPod Nano update
This one is a sure thing and will look like the pictures that were pulled in the colours posted. 16GB flash memory is likely.

Touch screen iPod
Seems likely. WiFi will be used for iTMS and possibly widgets (YouTube, Stocks, Weather, Trailers(?). Wireless syncing is - judging by the iPhone - sadly not going to happen. No Safari, no communication.

No radio - internet (dying because of new royalties pricing) or FM (useless in most areas of the world).

Prices will stay the same. Harddrive sizes will increase finally.

Remote control for iTunes or :apple:TV? Meh. Not too likely. I doubt that it will stream to APEx either, but one can always hope.

The thing is, for every cool new product Apple releases, they always underwhelm us with features, the iPhone being a prime example.

OldTimey
Sep 4, 2007, 07:49 PM
Have you seen the new toys and games for kids these days. An Ipod is just a toy for teens and adults. Sorry it's just a toy.

where do you draw the line? push your definition a smidget, and pretty much every luxury item is a "toy." Your Lexus is a "toy", so is your Smith & Wesson, and that Steinway Grand, Sony HDTV, that plush leather couch, your stainless steal appliances that clean themselves, that Oreck Vacuum cleaner, your cashmere sweater, the 100-Blu Ray disc changer...

no need to be condescending, get on with your life, no body is stopping you.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 07:58 PM
You do know that Apple Store employees are as clueless as you are about upcoming updates right? In fact even Apple employees working on campus won't know unless they are directly involved with the product in question.

Yes, but if they got a delivery of fresh new iPods, I think they would know just a little about the iPods (sarcasm) ;)

wolfpackfan
Sep 4, 2007, 08:01 PM
Have you seen the new toys and games for kids these days. An Ipod is just a toy for teens and adults. Sorry it's just a toy.

I've heard it said many times that the only thing that separates adults from children is the price of their toys.

newguineafan
Sep 4, 2007, 08:04 PM
Hmm, just noticed this. The article says "ThinkSecret has said that a 3.5 inch display will take center stage." Does this mean the new touch iPod will be smaller than previously thought? I had always imagined something like a 4-inch.

What do you all think?

P.S. - I'm just taking a look at Apple's iPod page. The iPod won't be like that for long :'( .

QuarterSwede
Sep 4, 2007, 08:20 PM
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0709preipod.html

ThinkSecret says Touch-screen iPod tomorrow.

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My store manager said he got a corporate note saying touch screen iPods will be arriving tomorrow at the store ... I really don't think he's the type that would read rumors, then again I can't imagine that Apple would ship the new iPods to stores before the keynote. Too bad I won't get a chance to see if it comes in first hand because I'll be on a business trip.