New 10.2.8 Seeded

[MacBytes]

Category: Mac OS X
Link: Mac OS X 10.2.8 Build 6R73 Seeded (http://www.mtswitch.net)

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[MacRumors]

ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/macosx10282.html) reports that a new seed of Mac OS X 10.2.8 has been seeded to developers.

The newest build, 6R73, reportedly addresses the issues found in the previous version.

Apple initially released Mac OS X 10.2.8 to the public, but was quickly pulled in the following days due to a number of issues reported by users.

[Kenny Pollock]

Yay, my site has been posted :P
We just reopened 30 minutes ago, heh.

I don't use Jaguar anymore, so I wouldn't know if this build has any improvements.

[Einherjar]

Hooray for 10.2.8!

I'm surprised they didn't get this build out sooner, though..a nice final release for Jag (probably).

[Grimace]

I don't have any issues with it...

[coolbreeze]

Too bad I've done a complete revert and clean install to 10.2.6. By the way, my battery is still lasting for only ~2 hrs on my iBook with 10.2.6. Is it possible that 10.2.8 did permanent damage? If so, Will Apple recall the batteries or just get real quiet?

Hope the new .8 does the trick.

[davy the bunny]

No problems for me either but will there be any "update" to the 10.2.8 that many have already installed, just in case?

[Squire]

Cool.
I want to re-load that on my iMac just to make sure nothing's messed up. (My iMac went a little funky after that update.)

Side note: I ran Norton Anti-virus on my PC this afternoon. It found 19 viruses. I'm going to have to call an exterminator. I'm sooooooo glad that all my important things are on my Mac.

Squire

[Le Big Mac]

So, who's going to be the first to download this version?

[Doraemon]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
By the way, my battery is still lasting for only ~2 hrs on my iBook with 10.2.6. Is it possible that 10.2.8 did permanent damage? If so, Will Apple recall the batteries or just get real quiet?

How should a piece of software do permanent damage to your battery?

[9hundred]

i loves me mac

[punter]

i hope they tried a little harder this time. This gives me the impression panther might be a *little* bit further off then I would prefer.

[1adonis1]

With Panther just a few weeks away, is anyone going to be brave enough to load this....esp. after what happened with the last 10.2.8. I'll just wait for Panther.

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Too bad I've done a complete revert and clean install to 10.2.6. By the way, my battery is still lasting for only ~2 hrs on my iBook with 10.2.6. Is it possible that 10.2.8 did permanent damage? If so, Will Apple recall the batteries or just get real quiet?

Hope the new .8 does the trick.
Is it actually really lasting 2hrs (have you timed it)? Or are you just relying on what the clock in OSX says? My ibook is at 10.2.8 and the timer on mine says 2hr but I don't think the battery life has actually been shortened....

BTW 1adonis1, Panther will be 10.3.0 what makes you think that's any safer than 10.2.8

[1adonis1]

Nice Site.

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by Doraemon
How should a piece of software do permanent damage to your battery?
From www.macfixit.com



Issues with battery life after an (pulled) 10.2.8 Update: Purported Apple confirmation

Over the past few days we've been reporting issues with decreased PowerBook and iBook battery life after installing the (pulled) 10.2.8 Update. A MacFixIt reader wrote in describing his conversation with AppleCare about this problem:

"Today I called AppleCare and asked about why my battery was acting so strangely [after installing 10.2.8]. I was put on hold for a few minutes while the phone tech talked to someone else. He came back on the line and said that it was a known issue, and that Apple wasn't recalling batteries just yet. He also said that restoring the system software to 10.2.6 wouldn't fix the problem. He said Apple is working on a fix and will release it soon via SoftwareUpdate."
I don't know how software would permanently damage a battery, but heard that 10.2.4 did irreversible damage to notebook batteries. It appears as though 10.2.8 is on that same track? I have no factual evidence of this (the damage) but I am wondering where my extra 1.5 hours has gone (now that I am running a fresh install of 10.2.6 and only getting 2 hours as opposed to my 3.5+ I got just before updating to 10.2.8)? Yes, I've measured actual time, not the OS timer time. You be the judge.

[phc]

I've also noticed a significant decline in battery life. I guess I'm lucky 10.2.4 didn't really do too much damage as others had reported but 10.2.8 has caused my battery life to decline by about 1/3. The other day with the screen brightness on my TiBook set to the lowest setting (before being completely dark) and other energy saver settings to the max I only got about 2 hours. Normally I can get about 3.

[Alte22a]

Originally posted by Doraemon
How should a piece of software do permanent damage to your battery?


The fact is that my PB 1GHz battery wouldn't charge as soon as I made the update. It might have been coincidence. Soon I reverted back to 10.2.6, then battery is charging again. Its actually on 10.2.8 right now but teh battery is charging...... beats me..... :D but the user time is considerable short...

[Oirectine]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Too bad I've done a complete revert and clean install to 10.2.6. By the way, my battery is still lasting for only ~2 hrs on my iBook with 10.2.6. Is it possible that 10.2.8 did permanent damage? If so, Will Apple recall the batteries or just get real quiet?

Hope the new .8 does the trick.



Hmm, one thing you might want to try (if you haven't already) is to let the battery drain completely and then recharge. This apparently calibrates the battery and lets the processor inside give better estimates of the charge left.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86284


Of course if you've done it already... then nevermind ;)

Also I agree with the other poster who said the battery indicator isn't very accurate. I sometimes get 25-50 percent more from a full charge than it guesses.

[Hmm]

I was under the impression that the batteries had some kind of updateable firmware on them. I immediately noticed that the remaining time on the battery was much less after a full charge before I even read about the problem on MacFixit. I can't tell if I'm really getting less time or not since I haven't bothered to do a detailed analysis.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by punter
i hope they tried a little harder this time. This gives me the impression panther might be a *little* bit further off then I would prefer.

I don't think it's a matter of effort. I'm sure they're all working quite diligently.

How many developers, who are willing to test, are going to have consumer machines? Can you imagine most programmers asking for an eMac or an iMac or even an iBook? I don't think so.

Apple should probably have an extended test group a few weeks prior to release that includes people with consumer machines so they see the effects before the general public does.

10.2.8 is working fine on my machine. I wonder if Software Update will tell me that I need to download it again.

[Trimix]

I just ordered JAGWIRE the day before yesterday from the Apple Store.
I am still on 10.1.5 and it has never let me down one minute.
So I figured, now with Panther around the corner it was safe to get at least into 10.2 :)
By the time Panther will be on 10.3.8 and Cougar/Bobcat/Whatever is a blip on the radarscreen, I guess I will take another plunge.
I am sorry for the first adopters, who got burned. My entire bizz runs on my i-mac and I just can't take any chances

[macmax]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
From www.macfixit.com


I don't know how software would permanently damage a battery, but heard that 10.2.4 did irreversible damage to notebook batteries. It appears as though 10.2.8 is on that same track? I have no factual evidence of this (the damage) but I am wondering where my extra 1.5 hours has gone (now that I am running a fresh install of 10.2.6 and only getting 2 hours as opposed to my 3.5+ I got just before updating to 10.2.8)? Yes, I've measured actual time, not the OS timer time. You be the judge.

mine was , is killed , after 10.2.4 too

[settledown]

i have 10.2.8 (pulled version)(build 6r65)
and i'm kind of hoping that Apple has us in mind. I have been walking on eggshells. we have 10 or so macs of varying model, and I updated them all.

It would be nice to see build 6r73 in the software update.

[jaykk]

The bettery loss from 10.2.4 was devestating. From 3 1/2 hrs to just onder 20-30 mts. It was a permanant damage to battery, if you were under Applcare, apple was sending out a replacement battery. (Unfortunately, i didnt get the applcare for my PB).

[DeusOmnis]

Originally posted by Trimix
I just ordered JAGWIRE the day before yesterday from the Apple Store.
I am still on 10.1.5 and it has never let me down one minute.
So I figured, now with Panther around the corner it was safe to get at least into 10.2 :)
By the time Panther will be on 10.3.8 and Cougar/Bobcat/Whatever is a blip on the radarscreen, I guess I will take another plunge.
I am sorry for the first adopters, who got burned. My entire bizz runs on my i-mac and I just can't take any chances


wow, you are *really* paranoid.... lol

[mrwilly123]

i had the same problem when i updated to 10.2.8 on my ibook. it was down from about 3.5 hrs to less than 2. then i installed PANTHER 7B80, and my battery life is back to 3.5 hrs!

so dont worry, your battery is fine, and panther or the next update will fix the problem.

[MM2270]

OK, so now that it looks like we'll be getting the NEW AND IMPROVED 10.2.8 update in the next few weeks, will Apple FINALLY release those iCal and iSync updates they've been sitting on what seems like FOREVER! Jeeez! I mean I know they prolly needed to go back to those updates and check them thoroughly to make sure they won't delete people's hard drives or something, but I really wish they'd get them out the friggin door already. :rolleyes:
I've been telling people I work with that iCal and iSync updates are imminent for weeks now, and nothing has materialized. Come on Apple, get them done, and don't you DARE even think of rolling them into Panther, thus forcing users to upgrade just to make iCal function the way it should have to begin with! :rolleyes: :mad:

[achmafooma]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Too bad I've done a complete revert and clean install to 10.2.6. By the way, my battery is still lasting for only ~2 hrs on my iBook with 10.2.6. Is it possible that 10.2.8 did permanent damage? If so, Will Apple recall the batteries or just get real quiet?

Hope the new .8 does the trick.
As others have mentioned, my iBook REPORTS significantly diminished battery life -- used to be 3 or 4 hours, now it never says more than 1 hour & 30 mins. But, actual battery life has not changed.

I rigged my menubar to just give me the percent (because always seeing low numbers got on my nerves) and have been using my iBook with 10.2.8 exactly the same as before. It goes just as long before a recharge.

I do regularly let it run all the way down to forced sleep, then charge it all the way back up. I've heard that's good for batteries and can really bump up its life. When I first started doing that, I noticed a pretty drastic improvement.

I really think 10.2.8 just screwed up the guess (and it's never been more than a guess anyway) on remaining battery life. Hopefully the next update will fix it, but honestly... I'm not sure it's such a big deal. My iBook's been treating me perfectly well since January of 2002, one little goofy number doesn't bother me :-)

[mrwilly123]

Originally posted by MM2270
OK, so now that it looks like we'll be getting the NEW AND IMPROVED 10.2.8 update in the next few weeks, will Apple FINALLY release those iCal and iSync updates they've been sitting on what seems like FOREVER! Jeeez! I mean I know they prolly needed to go back to those updates and check them thoroughly to make sure they won't delete people's hard drives or something, but I really wish they'd get them out the friggin door already. :rolleyes:
I've been telling people I work with that iCal and iSync updates are imminent for weeks now, and nothing has materialized. Come on Apple, get them done, and don't you DARE even think of rolling them into Panther, thus forcing users to upgrade just to make iCal function the way it should have to begin with! :rolleyes: :mad:

hate to break it to ya but ical 1.5 and isync 1.2 are in panther. i dont see any differences with isync, but ical actually runs decently on my ibook now

[hobbes3113]

So far, no problems on either computer, but I will definately update once the new 10.2.8 gets out. Here's to hoping for 10.3 in the near future...

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by achmafooma
As others have mentioned, my iBook REPORTS significantly diminished battery life -- used to be 3 or 4 hours, now it never says more than 1 hour & 30 mins. But, actual battery life has not changed.

I just don't understand why the time (battery) is still incorrect after I've done a complete erase and re-install of 10.2.6. My timer was never incorrect before 10.2.8. I would think that, unless the battery is damaged in some way, the fresh install of .6 would reflect the time just as it always has (correctly). I dont' get how the timer can still be incorrect?

Anyhow, I'll just buy Panther and call it a day (which is want Apple wants us to do anyhow!).

BTW, who's gonna be brave and download the new .8 as soon as it shows up in software update? I have learned to hold my horses!

[QCassidy352]

well, I had no problems with the original 10.2.8 (running fine on my ibook right now).

But enough of this anyway... where's panther??

[MM2270]

Originally posted by mrwilly123
hate to break it to ya but ical 1.5 and isync 1.2 are in panther. i dont see any differences with isync, but ical actually runs decently on my ibook now

Well, I guess I never expected the new iCal and iSync NOT to be in Panther. Maybe I should have been more clear. Obviously Panther will include all the latest versions of all the iApps, but I will really hate it if Apple doesn't release the updates as separate downloads for Jaguar users. I know I'll get Panther pretty soon after it's out, but to roll updates that improve a basic piece of software into a (maybe) $129 upgrade of the whole OS is really shi*ty practice IMHO. That's a Microsoft practice- don't fix the apps, just make upgrades and roll them into a new OS upgrade, and make it so it will require the new OS. I guess I'm just saying that I won't like it if Apple forces you to get it that way.

[Nutzoids]

I have been having the same issue with my battery...I put mine in the freezer over night and plugged it back in...It gave me almost 4 hours (real...not system time) when 10.2.8 was installed it took me down to 1/2 hour real time? I guess my Graphite iBook is a little older then what you guys are talking about! but it has been working fine since!

[1adonis1]

I think they have put more time and manpower into Panther. I could be wrong.

BTW 1adonis1, Panther will be 10.3.0 what makes you think that's any safer than 10.2.8 [/B][/QUOTE]

[T.Rex]

Originally posted by Nutzoids
I have been having the same issue with my battery...I put mine in the freezer over night and plugged it back in...It gave me almost 4 hours (real...not system time)

Freeze it? I thought that was the worst possible thing for a battery!

[chickengrease16]

i'm currently using the pulled 10.2.8 and i havent had any major problems at all. the only thing ive noticed was that the language input menu (the little flag where you can change languages... i constantly switch between english and greek) disappeared, even though it was enabled in the preferences so i had to disable it than reenable it and it works. also, safari decided to uncheck the "block popup windows" which was driving me nuts, cause i wasnt used to popups on safari and i couldnt figure out what it was! lol and my battery, when cutting the screen to next-to-off and turning off airport and muting it and having nothing running it says 5:20, so no problems there. for reference, here's the specs of my system:

15" Powerbook G4
1GHz / 768MB / 60GB / superdrive / airport

[DrGruv1]

downloaded 10.2.8 and lost color printing only in Appleworks 6.2.7 and an epson c60.

anyone else?

[magitekkn]

Originally posted by achmafooma
I do regularly let it run all the way down to forced sleep, then charge it all the way back up. I've heard that's good for batteries and can really bump up its life. When I first started doing that, I noticed a pretty drastic improvement.


I would recommend against this practice. While discharging and re-charging batteries such as Ni-Cd or NiMH, will increase the life by preventing what is known as the 'memory effect' there is no such effect on Lithium Ion batteries. Li-Ion batteries are rated for a certain number of complete discharge/recharge cycles in their lifetime. When you perform an un-needed discharge/recharge cycle, you are wasting life on your battery.

(partial cycles such as discharge down to 75% then recharge to 100% do not count as a complete cycle)

The only reason I would ever discharge my battery fully would be a) if I needed to for work abroad of b) to re-calibrate the power manager

[nickysfuture]

I noticed an actual decline in the amount of operating time I get out of my battery when I updated my iBook to 10.2.8. I never had the menu bar battery display time - it was always in percent. The most obvious manifestation of the effect is that leaving it asleep overnight would always cause the battery to drop 4%-5%; now it drops 7%-10%. There is definitely something funky going on with it and draining it completely didn't help, neither did resetting the nvram. Here's hoping they fix it soon.

[biscuit]

Originally posted by Nutzoids
I have been having the same issue with my battery...I put mine in the freezer over night...
Good God man! You really are Nutzoids! I really don't think freezing your battery is very good for it.

Also, contrary to popular belief, draining your Li-ion battery completely then recharging it isn't actually good for it. This is a throw back to NiCd cells which had a memory effect, so needed to be drained fully occasionally. Li-ions prefer not be drained below 20% ever (if you can help it). They also don't like being held at 100% forever either (which is why mine is screwed I believe; I've always got it plugged in).

What I'd like to see is someone bringing out a battery blank, so you can remove the battery but not have the machine tilt over. Then you can safely store your Li-ion with 40% charge in the fridge.

OK, someone already said most of this while I was typing. Just so you know my battery info was gleaned from here (http://www.buchmann.ca/)

biscuit

[DrGruv1]

happens on another 10.2.8 computer with an HP825c printer - something bombed appleworks in the update

[Nutzoids]

Alright...well I guess you guys are right...But All I know is that it has worked...I am Nutz...thats the reason for my name...I tryed to open the thing to work on the actuall cells...But I didn't

[Santiago]

Does anyone know if this includes a patch to the recently discovered OpenSSL exploit (not just the OpenSSH exploit that the original 10.2.8 fixed)?

[foniks2020]

My Powerbook battery completely died some time after a 10.2.8 update, though I don't know if it was related. It would not charge at all and was at 0%. My other batteries would charge fine though the time showed was less than I remember from them.

Luckily my battery was still under it's one year warranty so I just took it back to the Apple Store and they replaced it, no charge ;-P

[bankshot]

Uhh, shouldn't this be 10.2.9? At least for those of us who did update before 10.2.8 was pulled? If they re-release this as 10.2.8, I can just imagine the confusion on tech support calls:

Apple: What version of Mac OS X are you running?
Consumer: 10.2.8
Apple: Is that the good version or the bad version?
Consumer: :confused:

Of course, they can ask you for the build number, but 10.2.9 just avoids any confusion. I mean, heck, they did skip 10.2.7 for those of us who didn't get new machines with it preinstalled.

[Rincewind42]

Originally posted by biscuit
Also, contrary to popular belief, draining your Li-ion battery completely then recharging it isn't actually good for it. This is a throw back to NiCd cells which had a memory effect, so needed to be drained fully occasionally. Li-ions prefer not be drained below 20% ever (if you can help it). They also don't like being held at 100% forever either (which is why mine is screwed I believe; I've always got it plugged in).

Which is likely the reason why Apple changed their battery design to avoid short charge cycles. If you had the battery that came with one of the original TiBooks, then it would charge as long as you were plugged in, regardless of how full the battery is. If you have a newer battery (I believe they came with the Rev B TiBooks and beyond) then it will cycle between 95%-100% charged (which you can see in your battery indicator). There is an article on Apple Support about this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. I gave my sister my old TiBook 400 with the original battery and within about 6 months the battery wouldn't hold more than about 20 minutes of charge (at that point it was just over 2 years old and on nearly constant AC power).

[macFanDave]

Someone asked: How can software damage a battery?

Our iBooks run on what it thinks the battery charge is. My experience and that of most others is that the time estimate got screwed up, but the performance was otherwise unaffected.

Once the iBook thinks the charge is down to a certain level, it'll warn you and soon go to sleep or shut down. If the firmware screwed up how much time the battery reports to the iBook, it will give us too little actual time.

A few people have reported ACTUAL performance degradation.

Another person asked: How can you trust 10.3.0 more than 10.2.8?

A lot of independent developers have been using Panther for months. I would imagine that they caught a lot of the errors and bugs that would have made it out in an update that was tested briefly in house.

And inside Apple, I'll bet the best people are working on Panther, leaving the less excellent (how's that for diplomacy?) folks to work on a completely unsexy maintenance update.

[hvfsl]

My PB G4 550 went from an average of 2hours 40mins to under 2hours (estimated time). I have also noticed lots of other problems with the update. Like problems with iTunes.

I will update as soon as it comes out since I would be very supprised if Apple makes another buggy update.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by MM2270
OK, so now that it looks like we'll be getting the NEW AND IMPROVED 10.2.8 update in the next few weeks, will Apple FINALLY release those iCal and iSync updates they've been sitting on what seems like FOREVER! Jeeez! I mean I know they prolly needed to go back to those updates and check them thoroughly to make sure they won't delete people's hard drives or something, but I really wish they'd get them out the friggin door already. :rolleyes:
I've been telling people I work with that iCal and iSync updates are imminent for weeks now, and nothing has materialized. Come on Apple, get them done, and don't you DARE even think of rolling them into Panther, thus forcing users to upgrade just to make iCal function the way it should have to begin with! :rolleyes: :mad:

That's pretty contentious for someone who's getting iCal and iSync for free. You act as if you're paying for them.

[LimeLite]

Originally posted by punter
i hope they tried a little harder this time. This gives me the impression panther might be a *little* bit further off then I would prefer.
Not necessarily. That's the first thought that popped into my head, but then a second later it hit me that not everyone is going to be upgrading to Panther right away. They still need a final update to bring Jaguar up to where they want it for all of the people who will be sticking with it for a while before investing in Panther.

[mamorgan]

I "upgraded" to 10.2.8 and max battery time displayed was about 1:55. Actual running time was somewhat longer, depending on level of use, but left alone, it would die in about 2:15. I called Apple, did all the stuff (reinitialize battery, disabled a couple of things using the terminal, shifted to lower performance mode, turned down the screen, used long-life power settings, ate right, did my exercises, everything. 1:55. So I called them back, told them the sad story, and next morning I had a new battery waiting at my office --- great!. So I got the battery, charged it 20 hours, turned on machine this AM - 2:00 is promised life. Reinitialized the battery, reset the power management control, recharged and viola - 2:00. So I called them, told them to leave the case file open and I will wait for the patch or new seed to be released and try it again. Not that big a deal to load the upgrades, and for now, I will used the machine within 4' of an outlet. -- I'm sure there's a moral, but don't what it isi. Good Luck.

[maxterpiece]

Has anyone installed 10.2.8 and not had a loss of battery life? My iBook went from like 3.5 to 2 hours.
max

[maxterpiece]

Originally posted by bousozoku
That's pretty contentious for someone who's getting iCal and iSync for free. You act as if you're paying for them.

I thought we paid a premium for macs because they give us better software (be that the OS or iLife).

[rikers_mailbox]

running on 10.2.8, my 15' TiBook now gets a whopping 1:50 lifetime on battery.

Seems like Apple has a laundry list of updates that are due anytime now, wish they would get this fix out of the way.

-rik

[vannote]

Originally posted by mamorgan

10.2.8 Batter Life


Thats pretty much how I feel...

PowerBook battery life went from what seemed to be the good half of a day to around 2 1/2 hours give or take 30 minutes.

[Photorun]

My iBook has always gotten right around two hours of battery life, and that's in savings mode. Mind you, booted in OS 9 it's closer to four hours. OS X tends to access the hard drive quite a bit, something that Apple was supposedly going to try to fix. I've never met a single person in my vast travels that ever have gotten the five hours battery life as Apple claims. I think this comes with the territory, not that it's right, just something to buck up. Hopefully maybe Panther will use the HD less and we'll see battery life gains.

[Angelo]

ok so what is up with this on the Apple site...

[Angelo]

sorry here is the link - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by LimeLite
Not necessarily. That's the first thought that popped into my head, but then a second later it hit me that not everyone is going to be upgrading to Panther right away. They still need a final update to bring Jaguar up to where they want it for all of the people who will be sticking with it for a while before investing in Panther.

Remember those people who can't upgrade to Panther.

[achmafooma]

Originally posted by maxterpiece
Has anyone installed 10.2.8 and not had a loss of battery life? My iBook went from like 3.5 to 2 hours.
max
Me!

When I first got my iBook in Jan. 2002, I got about 4.5 hours of life out of it when rigged to drain as little power as possible (monitor dim, etc.). That gradually diminished over the year and a half to about 3 or 3.5 hours (this didn't coincide with any of the software updates, and I've always kept my OS up-to-date).

I installed the 10.2.8 update the next morning after it became available, and while the system's prediction of battery life has nose-dived I'm still getting about 3 or 3.5 hours out of it in real use.

That's with the monitor dim, volume muted (this is mainly in classes), processor on "reduced", Airport turned off, and not doing any heavy-duty stuff...

If I really max the machine out -- surfing the web on Airport, max processor, brightness up, and playing iTunes -- I get maybe 1.5 hours... originally though, I probably only got 2 or 2.5.

Since I do most of my heavy lifting on a Quicksilver G4, the iBook doesn't give me trouble. I can take notes in two classes in a row, then charge it up on my break, then get another 2 classes of note taking out of it. Did it all last week with 10.2.8, just like always.

[pianojoe]

Originally posted by Trimix
I just ordered JAGWIRE the day before yesterday from the Apple Store.
I am still on 10.1.5 and it has never let me down one minute.
So I figured, now with Panther around the corner it was safe to get at least into 10.2 :)
By the time Panther will be on 10.3.8 and Cougar/Bobcat/Whatever is a blip on the radarscreen, I guess I will take another plunge.
I am sorry for the first adopters, who got burned. My entire bizz runs on my i-mac and I just can't take any chances

But why didn't you wait for Panther to be released? You would have gotten a cheap original Jaguar CD set on eBay then.

[rockman2023]

I guess I shouldnt have a reason to re-update 10.2.8. It runs fine on my 733 Quicksilver. Any suggestions?

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
wow, you are *really* paranoid.... lol

No, paranoid would be not even updating to Jaguar...or perhaps even OS X. I'm doing installations for a large corporation, and some of the software they have installed on some of their machines are at least one or two versions old, even though these are fresh installations with Windows XP. That would be like using Photoshop 5 or 6 still, instead of upgrading to PS 7.

[kcmac]

With all of this talk about loss of battery life etc, I have felt lucky with my installation of dot 8.

Wednesday night while I was on the road, my PB didn't recognize my power adaptor. My short hairs stood on end as I looked at my battery life sitting below 50% and a day of travel to go.

I reset the machine, ran fsck, took the battery off for awhile, etc. I had just about given up when I plugged it in one more time. Now it worked.

This morning I got to work and the same deal. Went to Mac Hardware here in KC (a great mac store btw) and it was my adaptor. And it was under warranty.

Still no issues with dot 8. I use the % setup for my battery vs. time left. Seems the same as before.

[a_kim]

My TiBook 500MHz has the battery problem after updating to 10.2.8. I used to get 3.5 hours... now about 2.5.

The sadder part of the story is that I had just received my new 17 incher the day that 10.2.8 came out, and the first thing I did was update the system. So I have no idea what the battery life was on this thing before the update, but now it's at 2:10 consistently, which I don't find acceptable for a brand new laptop. Hopefully 10.2.8b will fix things up.

And yes, I recalibrated the batteries for both machine and reset the PMU, pram, and nvram. Nothing worked.

-Alex

[NicoMan]

A new 10.2.8 is available in your software update...

[LimeLite]

The update is 580KB, and does update existing 10.2.8 users as well.

[a_kim]

Well, if you read my earlier post (right before the new update came out), you'll see that I reported only 2:10 on my new 17 incher. After updating, it now indicates 3:20. Of course, we'll have to see if I actually get that amount of time, but this seems promising. Giddyup.

[LimeLite]

Ok, quick question: I don't remember reading this, but when did the Keyboard and Mouse buttons in the System Preferences become joined into one button?? This had to have happened recently (10.2.8?) Because I remember that the Bluetooth button caused there to be a second row in the Hardware section, but now they all fit on one row. Can anyone confirm when this switch was made?

[a_kim]

Originally posted by LimeLite
Ok, quick question: I don't remember reading this, but when did the Keyboard and Mouse buttons in the System Preferences become joined into one button?? This had to have happened recently (10.2.8?) Because I remember that the Bluetooth button caused there to be a second row in the Hardware section, but now they all fit on one row. Can anyone confirm when this switch was made?

It was changed with 10.2.8.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by NicoMan
A new 10.2.8 is available in your software update...

This needs more testing, but battery monitor seems more like it was before 10.2.8, even though it is still a bit jumpy... I guess it is in the process of recalibrating. After reboot after the update, it started by showing I had 9:30 hours autonomy. After 2 secs it went to 4 hours. DOH!!

Let's see how this works.

[LimeLite]

Originally posted by a_kim
It was changed with 10.2.8.
Thanks, I was pretty sure it had to be, because I didn't think I could be that unobservant.

[posixstudent]

<TROLL> If A precedes B, then B MUST be caused by A. Therefore if a lady gives birth during a hurricane then hurricanes must induce labor or if your favorite soccer/football player scores after a train whistle sounds then it must be the train whistle that caused him to score. If an iBook battery goes dead on Sept. 29, 2003 then it must be the 10.2.4 or 10.2.8 update. </TROLL>

Ever since I started reading comments about updates starting with 10.2.4, I have come to the conclusion that it is a problem with the batteries themselves. In my case, if A preceded B then it was actually problems with the 10.2.2 update that killed my new 16Meg VRAM iBook’s battery. Below is a list of things to consider:

1) Quartz Extreme: My iBook had it’s initial drain on battery life when I upgraded to Mac OS X 10.2. This may be in part due to the increased use of the graphics co-processor which produced more hear and used more energy.

2) Have you recalibrate the battery, reset Power Management, and reset nvram? These steps have been known to fix a lot of problems (search Apple Support discussions).

3) Have you searched Apple’s Support discussion board and Knowledge base or others having problems? There is a lot of info on iBook/PowerBook battery issues.

4) Was there anything else odd besides reduction in battery life, like the battery life indicator LED’s started to blink on recharge?

5) What’s your battery consumption like in Mac OS 9? Has anyone tried that yet???

6) How many are having problems with actual battery life (as opposed to the computers guess) after 10.2.8 and is it consistent across models? As I am seeing it, a few complain after 10.2.4, more after 10.2.5, more after 10.2.6, more after 10.2.8, and a whole bunch at other random times. This makes it clear the actual problem, the design of some iBook/PowerBook batteries are faulty.

[beerguy]

I just updated with the new 10.2.8 and it added an hour to my battery display. I'll havae to see how it actually works out.

[sugarprobe]

hi all

Versiontracker just posted a release of 10.2.8 for G5's with istructions. Cheers

:D

[Oirectine]

Originally posted by maxterpiece
Has anyone installed 10.2.8 and not had a loss of battery life? My iBook went from like 3.5 to 2 hours.
max



I upgraded on my 1 GHz Titanium PowerBook with no noticeable drain. In fact it seems to last longer than it did before.

[thedoc1111]

The 10.2.8 Update (Build 6R73) includes an updated ethernet driver for 450MHz and 500MHz dual processor Power Mac G4 desktop systems and an update to the battery status menu.

Is the notes. In SW Update now

[utilizer]

I just upgraded and I must proclaim, this is probably the best noticeable update Apple has made in a LONG time.
My Pismo booted the fastest I've ever seen it go. No spinning beach balls, just "boom" and it's there!
Makes me wonder what's in store for when Panther arrives! :D

Now to check for the "popping" sound in iTunes while one or more iApps is running to see if that problem is fixed.

[kenaustus]

Sugarprobe

Check the Apple site - I think that this upgrade is for G3 & G4 chips only - NOT for the G5.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by sugarprobe
hi all

Versiontracker just posted a release of 10.2.8 for G5's with istructions. Cheers

:D
I find it bizarre that it would be available on VT before on the Apple site.

Discuss!

[beerguy]

It showed up in my software update panel before it hit VT.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by Trimix
I just ordered JAGWIRE the day before yesterday from the Apple Store.
I am still on 10.1.5 and it has never let me down one minute.
So I figured, now with Panther around the corner it was safe to get at least into 10.2 :)
By the time Panther will be on 10.3.8 and Cougar/Bobcat/Whatever is a blip on the radarscreen, I guess I will take another plunge.
I am sorry for the first adopters, who got burned. My entire bizz runs on my i-mac and I just can't take any chances

If running an entire business on a single iMac isn't taking chances, then I don't know what is.

[sugarprobe]

Hmmm.

Well, acording to VT it is in the software update but I don't have it when I use it. Anybody else find it yet for the G5?:confused:

[mamorgan]

I have installed the new seed. While it is too early to know for sure,my battery now claims to have 50 minutes remaining, but now at 30 percent. If this turns out to be true, battery life will have shifted from 2:00 to > 3:00, and I can deal with that. Here's hoping!

[engpjp]

I don't know if it was posted earlier in this discussion, but I have just updated my computer from 10.2.8 to 10.2.8 updated (the 6R73 build).

10.2.8 makes my iBook 900 run even faster than 10.2.7...

engpjp


[of course 10.2.8 isn't faster than 10.2.8 :^> ]

[pulcinella2uk]

I installed 10.2.8 (original version) last week - no problems.

I installed the small updater to the revised version of 10.2.8 and now Photoshop is totally messed up.

If I try to do things like image resize the program stalls and can only be force quit.

Any one else with similar problems?

And why is it so difficult to find anywhere on the Apple.com website to inform them there's a problem?

[AmbitiousLemon]

well i was watching ting thred carefully trying to figure out if i should install (i had 10.2.6 installed never did 10.2.8old). decided it seemed safe enough... i was wrong.

no huge problems. startup took a very long time. all documents have forgotten which app they belong to and have generic document icons. and the mointor is stuck in thousands of colors mode rather than millions (even after switching to millions in the displays pref pane it is still clearly in thousands)

original imac g4 768mb ram 800mhz

[Noiseboy]

I felt really sorry for people who used the original .8 update and had lots of problems. I have always been an habitual updater and applied it within moments of it's release. Not only did I have no problems with it, my Rev A 500Mhz PB definitely got better battery life (and it's always been good) but better still I would swear that my Airport coverage improved as well. I was suddenly able to use it in rooms previously devoid of reception even though as far as I know there was no enhancement of this feature in the update. I love that PB.
The problem I now have is that I just bought a ProTools system and my 500Mhz was just running out of breath so I got the 17" 1.33Ghz PB (I was desperately hoping against hope that the G5 PB would have arrived by the time I got the Studio but it wasn't to be) and of course it arrived 2 days ago with 10.2.7. I am now not rushing to update to the new .8. I think I'll wait for a few days and check back here for news. 10.2.7 seems to be great but there again with nearly a Gig faster proc OS 7 would seem great.:D

[jpmack]

Ok, quick question: I don't remember reading this, but when did the Keyboard and Mouse buttons in the System Preferences become joined into one button?? This had to have happened recently (10.2.8?) Because I remember that the Bluetooth button caused there to be a second row in the Hardware section, but now they all fit on one row. Can anyone confirm when this switch was made?


It was changed with 10.2.8.

Actually, it was changed in 10.2.7, the system that shipped on the new PowerBooks.

[LimeLite]

Originally posted by jpmack
Actually, it was changed in 10.2.7, the system that shipped on the new PowerBooks.
Haha, ok, well, as for me observing a change, it would have to have been when I upped to 10.2.8 since I don't own a computer that ever had 10.2.7.

[Teronke]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
I just don't understand why the time (battery) is still incorrect after I've done a complete erase and re-install of 10.2.6. My timer was never incorrect before 10.2.8. I would think that, unless the battery is damaged in some way, the fresh install of .6 would reflect the time just as it always has (correctly). I dont' get how the timer can still be incorrect?

Anyhow, I'll just buy Panther and call it a day (which is want Apple wants us to do anyhow!).

BTW, who's gonna be brave and download the new .8 as soon as it shows up in software update? I have learned to hold my horses!

Read you post and just to let you know other users have experienced similar problems.

I personally had to do a clean install of 10.2.6 because 10.2.8 screwed my system so much that an archive and install of 10.2.6 failed to work properly. My battery meter is still screwed which is such a hassle when trying to second guess battery life when you have a full day of lectures.

This particular problem is noted at MacFixit at http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2003-10-02. Apparently Apple are aware and it should be fixed in the new release of 10.2.8

From my past experience with 10.2.8 I'm going to hold off for a few days for enough positive anecdotal evidence before upgrading

Fingers crosssed that it's indeed a software/power manager glitch and not permanent damage to the battery

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
well i was watching ting thred carefully trying to figure out if i should install (i had 10.2.6 installed never did 10.2.8old). decided it seemed safe enough... i was wrong.

no huge problems. startup took a very long time. all documents have forgotten which app they belong to and have generic document icons. and the mointor is stuck in thousands of colors mode rather than millions (even after switching to millions in the displays pref pane it is still clearly in thousands)

original imac g4 768mb ram 800mhz
Did you have the permissions repaired recently?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Teronke
Read you post and just to let you know other users have experienced similar problems.

I personally had to do a clean install of 10.2.6 because 10.2.8 screwed my system so much that an archive and install of 10.2.6 failed to work properly. My battery meter is still screwed which is such a hassle when trying to second guess battery life when you have a full day of lectures.

This particular problem is noted at MacFixit at http://www.macfixit.com/index.php?date=2003-10-02. Apparently Apple are aware and it should be fixed in the new release of 10.2.8

From my past experience with 10.2.8 I'm going to hold off for a few days for enough positive anecdotal evidence before upgrading

Fingers crosssed that it's indeed a software/power manager glitch and not permanent damage to the battery
I installed both instances of 10.2.8, and while the only problem for me with the first one was the battery meter/actual autonomy issue, this has been resolved with the second one. Completely. If anything, it feels like I have more autonomy than what I used to have on 10.2.6.

Again I should stress, for people who want to update their systems, that it is important to repair disk permissions before and after the update, just to be on the safe side. I believe a lot of the problems encountered this time might be due to broken permissions at the time of the update.

[Trimix]

Originally posted by edenwaith
No, paranoid would be not even updating to Jaguar...or perhaps even OS X. I'm doing installations for a large corporation, and some of the software they have installed on some of their machines are at least one or two versions old, even though these are fresh installations with Windows XP. That would be like using Photoshop 5 or 6 still, instead of upgrading to PS 7.

Paranoid ? Naw, not really - I am just happy with things which work 100%.
My reasoning goes like this - When I buy a car or a computer program which is on its last version prior to being upgraded (in the case of the car replaced with a new model) then I am avoiding all the little hiccups, which simply come with new versions or models.
I see it as receiving the best version/model with the most amount of work put into it. I may be behind the most current development but I am happy to have the early-adopters try it out and to read about good and bad before I venture out into the cold brrrrrr :p
With this behavior I am imitating a lot of programmers in critical insurance applications who will adopt on the last update and not on the first.

[chickengrease16]

Originally posted by frozenstar
If running an entire business on a single iMac isn't taking chances, then I don't know what is.

a-men to that. redundancy is key! like it would be utter blasphemy (or extreme trust, one of the two) to load your entire music library onto itunes on your powerbook and throw away the original cds without backing it up to dvd or an ipod. to the original poster that runs his entire business on an imac: if you back up your stuff, just follow the norm and use the latest version of mac os. maybe wait a week or two after the updates come out if you want to be safe, and check forums like these. but for the most part there aren't MAJOR problems (especially with desktop machines, usually its the ibook and powerbook users that have problems) and the updates actually FIX problems, which is the main reason for updates in the first place. but, i understand that there are those that like to be in the old days. like those peeps that still use 2.2 kernel linux, because 2.4 just "isnt stable enough yet". and once 2.6 comes out of RC stage, MAYBE then they'll upgrade... i dunno. i just think its a waste of energy. and it doesnt promote software development if people live with older software. back to topic, i have been using my 15" 1GHz superdrive powerbook running the original 10.2.8 since it came out, and no problems whatsoever. but i'll probably upgrade to the "fixed" 10.2.8 soon