Intel Delays Montevina Platform to July 14th

[MacRumors]

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Citing "sources close to Intel", TGDaily claims (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37644/122/) that Intel will be delaying their Montevina notebook platform until July 14th, with a full line of chipsets not shipping for "a couple of weeks later". The reasons for the delay (http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/05/23/intel-amtech-reports-trouble-with-centrino-fcc-certification-graphics-issues-with-montevina-chipset/) are believed to include FCC certification holdups as well as integrated graphic chip failures.

Apple followers have been paying attention to the Montevina release as a possible marker for the next MacBook revision. Apple last updated the MacBook in February (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/26/apple-releases-new-penryn-based-macbooks/) of this year. The latest rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/15/apples-next-macbook-due-in-q3-2008/) have pointed to the 3rd Quarter of 2008 (July-September) as the delivery timeframe for the next MacBook.

Intel's Montevina revision (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/18/next-mobile-intel-processors-montevina-due-in-june-2008/) promises Mac users a faster front side bus and faster Penryn processors over the existing designs.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/27/intel-delays-montevina-platform-to-july-14th/)

[Eidorian]

*groan*

There goes new laptops in June. :rolleyes:

[epanov]

Great news. Can't wait! :)

[Peace]

This news almost certainly confirms what's in those container ships.;)

[Eraserhead]

So new MacBook's in early September?

[happydude]

darn that pesky fcc . . . ah well, i'm just waiting for the new iphones but am interested in seeing what the next macbook/macbook pros will be!!

[swagi]

Hmmm...FCC issues translats to WiMax, I guess.

And integrated gfx...pffff...I could care less. I'm in the MBP market, so I don't care :cool:

[David G.]

The longer my MacBook is of the current generation, the happier I feel.:cool:

[Santa Rosa]

reasons for the delay are believed to include FCC certification holdups as well as integrated graphic chip failures.

Thats encouraging :rolleyes:

[Fenir]

As long as it is here for the start of the school year, i don't care. I'm really hoping to get a new MBP for the start of the school year, which I think starts like September 3...

[Tallest Skil]

Works out well. The fifteenth is a Tuesday... :p

[GeekLawyer]

This news almost certainly confirms what's in those container ships.;)

My first thought as well. :cool:

[Yvan256]

Forget the MacBooks, where are the Mac mini updates? :(

[BornAgainMac]

Good. More time to grab a new Macbook in it's current design. I don't know if I am going to be happy with the Macbook if they make it aluminum. I understand they need to change it because they want to keep the product line looking fresh and consistent.

Apple is probably happy because they would prefer to wait longer to upgrade their gear.

[Clive At Five]

The Mac Mini doesn't even have Santa Rosa yet. It's using the same chipset/logic board since it moved to Intel. This might lead one to think it will make the jump straight to Montevina... unless Apple decides to continue to spite it by giving it the worst conceivable configurations.

Somebody --SOMEBODY-- please care about the MacMini... just a little?

-Clive

[rockthecasbah]

Well I hope the new processors can make their ways into updated MacBooks/Macbook Pros before my term at Drexel begins... Thankfully their fall semester doesn't begin until mid September! :rolleyes:

[chuckzee]

With all these delays, its time to go back to PPC!

[decimortis]

The longer my MacBook is of the current generation, the happier I feel.:cool:

+1
Exactly what I thought.

[Peace]

Forget the MacBooks, where are the Mac mini updates? :(

imho that's what's inside those container ships.

The Mac Mini doesn't even have Santa Rosa yet. It's using the same chipset/logic board since it moved to Intel. This might lead one to think it will make the jump straight to Montevina... unless Apple decides to continue to spite it by giving it the worst conceivable configurations.

Somebody --SOMEBODY-- please care about the MacMini... just a little?

-Clive

The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

[fleshman03]

Any change of getting the refresh announced at WWDC and shipping a month later?

Seems like Jobs, but then again I'm a new convert. :D

[tenks]

this shouldnt really effect Mac laptops cause mac's have never used the Centrino platforms in their entirety, just the chipset and chip. The new mobile penryns launch June 22nd. Ya know, the 1066fsb penryns:

X9100@3.06GHz, T9600@2.80, P9500@2.53, T9400 also @2.53, P8600@2.40 and the lowly P8400@2.26. All but the last two are 6M caches, those have 3M, but all are on a 1066FSB.

And the stuff thats supposedly holding back Monte are the integrated graphics GMA x4500 aka g45 which won't effect a re-spin on Macbook Pros...THis FCC stuff seems like bs. I dont really trust TG daily.

[schnb]

As long as it is here for the start of the school year, i don't care. I'm really hoping to get a new MBP for the start of the school year, which I think starts like September 3...

ditto..
except i think uni starts later september.
but it should be here before both of those!

dont think i can wait that long though, should i give in and get the current macbook? sounds like the x4500 might have a bit of trouble..

[Hattig]

integrated graphic chip failures.

Yeah, an encouraging sign here, not.

Intel's continual problems with their integrated graphics continue. This is the one area Intel keep on messing up and offering substandard hardware. Maybe they're all concentrating on Larrabee (forthcoming 80 core x86 graphics chip) but it might just be yet more driver problems from their slow underperforming driver team. Maybe this would just affect Windows...

[Peace]

But then again this could be spin on the part of Intel and Apple to keep the focus off new Macbooks. Apple has put out new Intel stuff before other PC makers before and could do it again.

[EagerDragon]

No significant changes to MB or MBP until Feb/March. Just a bump in Sept or October.

Any change of getting the refresh announced at WWDC and shipping a month later?

Seems like Jobs, but then again I'm a new convert. :D

WWDC was last year around June and there is a new WWDC on June 9, I do not recall any refresh announcement at last year WWDC. What refresh are you referring to?

[MacinDoc]

Who do they think they are, Motorola (or for that matter, IBM)?

[Zadillo]

But then again this could be spin on the part of Intel and Apple to keep the focus off new Macbooks. Apple has put out new Intel stuff before other PC makers before and could do it again.

Given the impact this has on Intel's stock as well as all other Intel partners, I have a hard time they'd delay the platform to "keep focus off of new MacBooks".

[Sir Cecil]

This is like seeing people holding off on buying a new house because a drain manufacturer is promising very slightly larger bore drainpipes in six months' time. Not that anyone will ever know the difference, but it matters to some.

[Peace]

Given the impact this has on Intel's stock as well as all other Intel partners, I have a hard time they'd delay the platform to "keep focus off of new MacBooks".

Tis true. Tis true!

My question is how does this impact new Macbook Pros ?

[thinkband]

Yep so I am getting a new macbook pro today from the apple store, lol.

It made sense to wait for WWDC since the time of a refresh and the chip were around the same time, but nothing will happen at WWDC. They are not going to make a serious case revision a 'silent update,' therefore, we are very likely to see at most a bump in Sep/Oct and nothing until January+.

Good thing for us college students who were waiting and waiting for this crazy case redesign, because now we can get our computers sooner and play around with them during the summer.

Just a tip, no need in waiting another 2+ months for a speed upgrade, unless you're paranoid about having the fastest apple laptop on the market at the time.

[Bye Bye Baby]

imho that's what's inside those container ships.



The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

To differentiate it from the macbook? Like hello! How much different do they have to be. Give me a break. They are completely different markets.

[twoodcc]

dang. so much for those revamped macbooks i guess

[masse]

This is actually good news. Better chance of new gpu's coming out from nvidia or that other company that used to be really good but now is not so good at producing graphics cards.

[Santa Rosa]

Just a tip, no need in waiting another 2+ months for a speed upgrade, unless you're paranoid about having the fastest apple laptop on the market at the time.

No need to buy it if you dont need it yet either. Going by this news it looks like there will be an upgrade in a few months time, probably before the new college term starts.

[Apple Corps]

A bit of a "Yawn" - Montevina will provide a small improvement - Nehalem processors in early 2009 is what I hope Intel will accelerate to market.

Some significant improvement on the near term horizon......

[alphaod]

So it looks like June is just the phones.

[MacsRgr8]

So it looks like June is just the phones.

Ha.. yeah....

But... but... FINALLY rumors of teh iPhone coming to Holland!!! Seems KPN is talking wid da Steve :D

EDIT.. sorry about that guys.. shouldn't have posted that here... but I just read it on some other news/rumor site... just had to react somewhere immediately.... feels like being a young puppy who has to stay in his basket while overexcited... :o

[thinkband]

No need to buy it if you dont need it yet either. Going by this news it looks like there will be an upgrade in a few months time, probably before the new college term starts.

Sure, but people are going to be posting "Should I wait for Montevina," "Will there be a case redesign," "What else will Apple introduce in the new laptops."
The answers are probably 1) Small speed increase and possibility of a magnetic latch (reach), 2) No case redesign until Nahelm (probably), 3) Probably nothing worth waiting for.

It is good to wait if there is something worth waiting for. A minor speed increase? meh. IMHO, most of the recent Apple updates weren't really waiting for: Multitouch, 5% speed increases, better HD. At this point people are waiting for blue ray drives, HD 15" screen, new case redesign, new keyboards, macbook air latch, etc. Most likely, none of these features will be featured in the next update, with the exception of the macbook air latch.

But if it is your perogative to wait an extra 2-3 months to get a slightly faster notebook, than by all means wait it out. I'll be enjoying photobooth as a first time Apple convert.

[kockgunner]

but the macbook pros don't need the integrated graphics chips right? right?

[Specialk4004]

Yep so I am getting a new macbook pro today from the apple store, lol.

It made sense to wait for WWDC since the time of a refresh and the chip were around the same time, but nothing will happen at WWDC. They are not going to make a serious case revision a 'silent update,' therefore, we are very likely to see at most a bump in Sep/Oct and nothing until January+.

Good thing for us college students who were waiting and waiting for this crazy case redesign, because now we can get our computers sooner and play around with them during the summer.

Just a tip, no need in waiting another 2+ months for a speed upgrade, unless you're paranoid about having the fastest apple laptop on the market at the time.


Well, I think you forgot about the Special Event in August of 2007 when Steve announced the case redesign of the iMacs.

If they dont redesign the MB/P this summer...there will most likely be a special event like the one last august for the iMacs or last september for the iPod redesign.

[Macsforcollege?]

im getting a macbook for college. never owned a mac before. so im waiting a little. its tough! I want to get one with enough time to play around with it and get to know it. Yet if a new one comes out, i want to get that. But if a new one came out, chances are there will be bugs... if its even worth the update so for know, il wait until the event, if they dont say anything then il wait until end of june/july ( its graduation gift so il be able to get it then)........i hope they announce it though if there will be an update and say when it comes out and what it will have. i go to school end of augest. I want to have the macbook by mid-july the latest

[Twilight Elk]

im getting a macbook for college. never owned a mac before. so im waiting a little. its tough! I want to get one with enough time to play around with it and get to know it. Yet if a new one comes out, i want to get that. But if a new one came out, chances are there will be bugs... if its even worth the update so for know, il wait until the event, if they dont say anything then il wait until end of june/july ( its graduation gift so il be able to get it then)........i hope they announce it though if there will be an update and say when it comes out and what it will have. i go to school end of augest. I want to have the macbook by mid-july the latest

In the same boat as you, my good friend.

I start college in late August, so I hope I get it before then.

[EagerDragon]

Well, I think you forgot about the Special Event in August of 2007 when Steve announced the case redesign of the iMacs.

If they dont redesign the MB/P this summer...there will most likely be a special event like the one last august for the iMacs or last september for the iPod redesign.

Case redesign is waiting for Nehalem.

[fleshman03]

im getting a macbook for college. never owned a mac before. so im waiting a little. its tough! I want to get one with enough time to play around with it and get to know it. Yet if a new one comes out, i want to get that. But if a new one came out, chances are there will be bugs... if its even worth the update so for know, il wait until the event, if they dont say anything then il wait until end of june/july ( its graduation gift so il be able to get it then)........i hope they announce it though if there will be an update and say when it comes out and what it will have. i go to school end of augest. I want to have the macbook by mid-july the latest


I'm in the same boat. Nothing like being in a Chem Lab and trying to figure out how to use a laptop.

[nja247]

A bit of a "Yawn" - Montevina will provide a small improvement - Nehalem processors in early 2009 is what I hope Intel will accelerate to market.

Some significant improvement on the near term horizon......

Largely true, but not for MacBooks, which would benefit greatly from the better gfx chip, assuming of course Intel and Apple gets the driver in order.

[nick9191]

Just because its been delayed to July doesn't mean they can't announce anything new and start shipping in August, or just use the new Penryn 1066fsb processors with the current Santa Rosa board.

[akac]

Case redesign is waiting for Nehalem.

Every year I keep hearing that the case redesign is waiting for <next chipset>. We really don't know...

[limonade]

Geez, I'm tired of waiting =/. I mean, I don't really need it before the beginning of school but I want it so bad, I want to play on it and get to know it, just like Macsforcollege? =/ ... Now I really wonder if I'll wait until July 14th ... But ... If I've waited all this time, maybe I'll be able to wait another 1 month 1/2.

[wizard]

I kinda laughed back when Apple switched to Intel as I had this thought that Intel would catch Apples illness. Lets face it every chip manufacture that has ever dealt with Apple ends up falling flat on its face, no reason for intel to be immune. I guess this means it is time to invest in some AMD stock LMAO ;) http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Well on the serious side lets just hope the get it fixed in a reasonable amount of time. My new MBP is the best PC I've ever owned, portable or desk top. So while I'm sure Intel's latest and greatest will make for an even faster machine that is even better on battery, I can't say I will be jumping to get the current machine updated. In fact I have this great fear that Apple will try to adopt to many concepts from AIR and make the MBP into a piece of junk.

In any event where this really hurts is in the Mini line up. That is where an update is sorely needed.

Dave

[JGowan]

It's quite common for Apple to quietly intro an update to something existing before a big show if there'll be a lot to show at the keynote... I'm betting we'll see the apple homepage change with a product update shortly before WWDC.

[milo]

I wonder if this will end up with Apple announcing new laptops in June or so but not shipping for a few weeks later? They need to at least announce something unless they want to completely miss out on back to school purchases.

The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

Differentiate? You don't think there's enough differentiation from one being a laptop and one a desktop?

The mini should get the latest and greatest, there's no reason for it to be so far behind the times. Of course if they dumped that case design and went to actual desktop components that would make it WAY easier to be competitive.

[amac4me]

Bad news for those who put off purchases on the hopes of an earlier release.

I've held the position on these boards numerous times that Apple wasn't going to release new MacBook Pro models with Montevina chips at WWDC.

Now we know for sure and those who have been waiting are going to wish they didn't wait so long.

[Mankin5344]

Makes me happy I bit the bullet and bought my MBP in Feb.

[lazyrighteye]

I wonder if this will end up with Apple announcing new laptops in June or so but not shipping for a few weeks later? They need to at least announce something unless they want to completely miss out on back to school purchases.

Every year, Apple misses the BTS crowd with any new product.
Opting, instead, to clear inventory & then announce new stuff once school's back in session.

Not the way I'd like them to go about things, but at last check seems to be working for them just fine.

[Clive At Five]

The mini should get the latest and greatest, there's no reason for it to be so far behind the times. Of course if they dumped that case design and went to actual desktop components that would make it WAY easier to be competitive.

Yeah, but nevermind logic... :rolleyes:

-Clive

[hipsheik]

Makes me happy I bit the bullet and bought my MBP in Feb.

Truth of the matter, these MBs are more than enough for email and browsing these days. I have the latest rev with 4mb and it's sweet. Couldn't ask for more. Well, maybe an LED screen. Try using a Powerbook G4 - we've come a long way.

Though I am curious to see what Apple has up it's sleeve for the next redesign. I think the MBPs are overdue for one now.

[winterspan]

Yeah, an encouraging sign here, not.

Intel's continual problems with their integrated graphics continue. This is the one area Intel keep on messing up and offering substandard hardware. Maybe they're all concentrating on Larrabee (forthcoming 80 core x86 graphics chip) but it might just be yet more driver problems from their slow underperforming driver team. Maybe this would just affect Windows...

This is actually good news. Better chance of new gpu's coming out from nvidia or that other company that used to be really good but now is not so good at producing graphics cards.

This may be a good thing. I really hope Intel has more problems with them, so maybe Apple would get sick of it and start using low-end discrete GPUs. Although Im sure it's convenient cost-wise and it lowers part count, I think it is terrible that Apple uses integrated graphics in the Macbook. *ANYTHING* is better than the nonsense that Intel makes. For god sakes, Intel's integrate chip just recently started supporting shaders in hardware. There are smartphone GPUs more advanced than the crap that gets tossed into the Macbook.
It really pisses me off knowing that they get away with that, especially in a seemingly "premium" laptop. Macbook customers deserve better. Hopefully also, Intel develops something like nVidia's "HybridPower" which allows nVidia motherboards to have both low-power integrated graphics AND a discrete GPU that it turns on when necessary. This gives you both high-performance graphics AND great battery life when you are just doing simple tasks. This would also be perfect for the Macbook Pro. Even in a desktop environment, why waste the heat and energy to power a monster nVidia 8-series card when you don't need it turned on.

[andiwm2003]

..................... This gives you both high-performance graphics AND low battery life when you are just doing simple tasks. This would also be perfect for the Macbook Pro. .........................

why would i want low battery life?

anyway, integrated graphics is the future for macbooks imho. and soon GPU's will be integrated into the cpu. then we have integrated gpu's forever....for better or worse...

[Mackan]

Ah screw this, I put some effort into waiting for early June, and now it's gonna be August... depressing.

[kornyboy]

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This still falls within the July-September estimates, but it doesn't look promising for WWDC. Maybe Apple will start preorders after the Keynote and just ship a little later.

[kgeier82]

The longer my MacBook is of the current generation, the happier I feel.:cool:


DI-TTTTTOOOOOOOO! :)

About the possible mini update. Lets face it, the mini serves its purpose, and apples. If they upgrade it, theyll FOR SURE lose sales on the MacPro. The mini can serve as a home theater setup now, and does everything that people looking to spend 600$ need.

I like fast sure, but the mini doesnt need it from apples point of view. If the mini gets ahuge upgrade ever, guess what? thats my next purchase! If not, ill keep swapping MBPs, a likely path.

the biggest thing about the montevina update, a possible case re-design (not necessarily needed, but overdue). Other than that, MV is just another performance boost, big whoop.

[winterspan]

why would i want low battery life?

anyway, integrated graphics is the future for macbooks imho. and soon GPU's will be integrated into the cpu. then we have integrated gpu's forever....for better or worse...

well obviously that was meant to say "good" battery life, not "low". And it's not necessarily that GPUs built into the motherboard and chipset HAVE to be crappy, it just so happens that they have been in the past. Even AMD's Integrated graphics are 5X better than Intel's best. Unfortunately, The GPU core used in Intel's CPU+GPU project will probably be nothing to write home about, at least for the first generation or two. Hopefully, they will either license better GPU technology (unlikely) or at least use some of the tech from their Larabee project in future integrated GPUs. As more and more GPGPU software projects come online, both Apple and Intel are going to need to take graphics more seriously..

[CWallace]

I read about this on Friday, but I could not tell if it was the CPUs themselves or the WiFi chipset that was causing the FCC grief.

To my knowledge, Apple does not use the Intel WiFi chipset so if Intel can still ship the Northbridge and CPUs, we could still see new MBPs at WWDC.

If the delay is until July 14th, that is too late for me since that means likely August/September for a joint MBP/MB rollout and I need my new MBP by early July.

So I'll see if anything is announced at WWDC and if not, I'll order the current 15".

[thinkband]

You guyz, this doesn't add up for me.

People do not think a redesign is happening this year right?

WWDC was hope for something big, and now it looks like nothing is happening. Our best chance for a speed bump is in late July/Septermber imho. But it seems like this is the only thing happening, similar to what happened with SR. Is it worth waiting two months for?

I am on the same page as all of you. My college starts September 25. It isn't reasonable to think that I could wait any longer than that. Though it seems reasonable an update will occur between now and then, no one knows for sure, and I am going to feel awfully stupid if I wait till the 25th and then buy the current laptop.

Honestly, the macbook is very nice as well as the mbp. Worse case scenario, you buy a macbook and then sell it on ebay once a new one comes out, or better yet, sell once Nahelm is out with a redesign. You won't lose too much money, and you'll be a lot happier.

[winterspan]

DI-TTTTTOOOOOOOO! :)
About the possible mini update. Lets face it, the mini serves its purpose, and apples. If they upgrade it, theyll FOR SURE lose sales on the MacPro.


That's doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Customers in the market for Mac Pro capabilties would not likely just jump to purchasing a Mac Mini no matter what Apple updates it with. Most likely, it would just be the newer Intel platform and processors anyways.


I like fast sure, but the mini doesnt need it from apples point of view. If the mini gets a huge upgrade ever, guess what? thats my next purchase! If not, ill keep swapping MBPs, a likely path.

the biggest thing about the montevina update, a possible case re-design (not necessarily needed, but overdue). Other than that, MV is just another performance boost, big whoop.

Why would you switch from a Macbook Pro to a Mac Mini, but only if it was upgraded? They fulfill completely different needs. And if you have the need for a Mac Mini, why would you not buy the current one, as any update to it isn't likely to bring anything revolutionary from a performance perspective?

[TechGirl]

Yep so I am getting a new macbook pro today from the apple store, lol.

It made sense to wait for WWDC since the time of a refresh and the chip were around the same time, but nothing will happen at WWDC. They are not going to make a serious case revision a 'silent update,' therefore, we are very likely to see at most a bump in Sep/Oct and nothing until January+.

Good thing for us college students who were waiting and waiting for this crazy case redesign, because now we can get our computers sooner and play around with them during the summer.

Just a tip, no need in waiting another 2+ months for a speed upgrade, unless you're paranoid about having the fastest apple laptop on the market at the time.

Heya, I just ordered my refurb mbp from the apple store myself today :) I didn't want to wait anymore! Feels good :D

[g00k]

suck it intel...
i waited so long and now this.
i not that kind of person who always wants and needs the latest... but i am damn curious how the "new" mbp would be look like... now i dont know what to do
will the be an update till early july? i can just wait till july... so shall i buy one now or wait?

[g00k]

btw will we even see a redesign?

[CWallace]

btw will we even see a redesign?

Probably, but honestly all I really wanted was a magnetic latch. My current iMac 2.4GHz is plenty fast for all I do at the moment, so I expect the current MBP will be plenty fine, as well and I'll just live with the mechanical latch.

[Macsforcollege?]

idk what im waiting for. i have to wait until the end of june anyways. its a graduation gift. waiting for gift cards to apple. but i have never owned a mac before.. so im just waitng to see if theres a new design coming out for the macbook. if they shows us one and say its coming out in july, il wait if it seems worth it. if it comes out augest+, then i will get the current macbook. Im going away end of Aug and do not want to get it a week before. i want a month to get use to it and get comfortable with it. i hope that if there is a update, there arent bugs, i might have to wait a few weeks after so apple can fix the little things.. but from what i hear, i want the cracking to be fixed and a better screen.

[thinkband]

btw will we even see a redesign?

Someday, not likely this year though.

[28monkeys]

suck it intel...
i waited so long and now this.
i not that kind of person who always wants and needs the latest... but i am damn curious how the "new" mbp would be look like... now i dont know what to do
will the be an update till early july? i can just wait till july... so shall i buy one now or wait?

Wait. Cos you aren't the only one waiting...:o

[g00k]

well i guess i will wait for computex and wwdc and see what news we will hear...
and if they indicate an update i wait if not i buy. so 2-3 to go.
as much as i would have a new mbp in a new case... there may so much problems occur... first gen new case
maybe its better to buy the bug free one

[kockgunner]

It's quite common for Apple to quietly intro an update to something existing before a big show if there'll be a lot to show at the keynote... I'm betting we'll see the apple homepage change with a product update shortly before WWDC.

don't you think the macbooks deserve their own event?

[kgeier82]

That's doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Customers in the market for Mac Pro capabilties would not likely just jump to purchasing a Mac Mini no matter what Apple updates it with. Most likely, it would just be the newer Intel platform and processors anyways.



Why would you switch from a Macbook Pro to a Mac Mini, but only if it was upgraded? They fulfill completely different needs. And if you have the need for a Mac Mini, why would you not buy the current one, as any update to it isn't likely to bring anything revolutionary from a performance perspective?

I beg to differ. If the mini came with 1/2 or even 2/3 the processing power alone that the MacPro has for 1/3 the price, id be much more inclined to consider it from a professional standpoint. If I need the gfx, then its not even a choice. Say the mini came with even a 2400pro, which it probably never will, itd be even more considerable for professionals that really dont need TOP NOTCH. Those people DO EXIST, but thats a whole other topic entirely.

I never said I would switch FROM a MBP to a mini, i would just add the mini to the arsenal, and keep the current MBP. Otherwise, sell the current MBP, for the next power boost.

[MacFly123]

imho that's what's inside those container ships.

The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

So you think the new Mac Mini will weigh 30 lbs. then? How do you figure it is Mac Minis and not Cinema Displays? Well hell would have to freeze over for it to be Cinema Displays so you could be right lol.

Why wouldn't the Mac Mini get this new CPU?

[Clive At Five]

Why would you switch from a Macbook Pro to a Mac Mini, but only if it was upgraded? They fulfill completely different needs. And if you have the need for a Mac Mini, why would you not buy the current one, as any update to it isn't likely to bring anything revolutionary from a performance perspective?

X3100 versus the current GMA950? Twice the graphics performance, and, oh yeah, official support for Hi Def...

And it may not sound like much, but any capacity improvement over the Mini's 80GB HDD is greatly anticipated. Hell, my circa '02 iMac had 60GB...

-Clive

[marbles]

maybe its better to buy the bug free one



What bug free one ?


..last time I looked there is a big problem with audio bleeping /hissing , popping etc etc .....


I'll buy a bug free computer ...where is it ?

[javierbds]

imho that's what's inside those container ships.



The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

And the need to differentiate a laptop from a non-laptop comes from ???? :confused:

Ever since the transition, it seems Apple has been cleaning up gilt about laptops ... It's okay Apple, We Forgive You :D (we know it was those IBM chips ...) ... Now, show the desktop machines some care or others will (badly). :rolleyes:

I think integrated gpu is quite important for the current mini form factor as it would allow to upgrade cpu & graphics (socketed (sp?) chip), when better chips come from Intel ... :cool: (something you cannot do in an iMac)

[javierbds]

DI-TTTTTOOOOOOOO! :)

About the possible mini update. Lets face it, the mini serves its purpose, and apples. If they upgrade it, theyll FOR SURE lose sales on the MacPro.
If Apple is waiting for prospective mini users to get a Mac Pro, they may as well sit down ...
Hw Updating schlaunfreude (sp?) ... Apple is different ;)

[LeviG]

but the macbook pros don't need the integrated graphics chips right? right?
theres nothing to say that apple wouldn't do a dual graphics card approach, similar to that on some sony/asus (I think) laptops.

[diamond.g]

theres nothing to say that apple wouldn't do a dual graphics card approach, similar to that on some sony/asus (I think) laptops.

It would be cool if Apple went that route, I wouldn't hold my breath though.

[milo]

Every year, Apple misses the BTS crowd with any new product.
Opting, instead, to clear inventory & then announce new stuff once school's back in session.

Looking back, that doesn't seem to be the case. They have released MacBook updates in May of 2006 and 2007, and probably would be out june this year if it wasn't for intel's delay.

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/05/15/apple-releases-new-macbooks/
http://www.macrumors.com/2006/05/16/apple-macbook-intel-ibook-released/

MB pro in June 2007:
http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/05/apple-releases-new-macbook-pros-with-santa-rosa/

iMacs tend to update in the fall, although the update this past April was an exception.

They definitely use BTS to clear out iPods before introducing new models in the fall...but that's not always the case for computers.

DI-TTTTTOOOOOOOO! :)

About the possible mini update. Lets face it, the mini serves its purpose, and apples.

So I guess that purpose is...selling as few boxes as possible? :eek:

The mini doesn't need to be fast. But the current configuration is a turd compared with boxes on the windows side in that price range. Apple either needs to update it to current components or drop the price. Or since they offer multiple models, do both. The idea that they must keep the mini crappy or lose MacPro sales is a terrible one, the giant hole in the product line just means they are losing some sales completely.

There are some basics that would help the mini immensely but still not get it anywhere close to a MP. 4+ gigs of ram, dual monitor support, cpu and mobo that aren't carved from limestone. But it will never be a great box OR a bargain one unless they redesign it into a real desktop form factor and use desktop parts.

[ipo]

It would be cool if Apple went that route, I wouldn't hold my breath though.

it'd be nice to expect it though !!! :cool:

[tenks]

Further clarification and details on the delay: (note Centrino 2 = montevina )

"Two issues are contributing to the delayed rollout of Centrino 2: an issue with the integrated graphics controller on the GM45/GM47 and FCC certification issues with the Shirley Peak 802.11n wireless controllers. Intel spokesman Bill Kircos claims that the graphics anomaly was caught in final testing and a workaround has been identified. The WiFi/FCC mishap was due to "paperwork and certification mistake we made" according to Kircos."

source (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11907)

The graphics bug was reported back in April. As far a work around is concerned, at the time of the report only the HD decode part of the chip was bugged. Everything else was functional. At the time of discovery in April it was reported that "no non-functional parts will be released. Unofficial word from others at the company say that only a small portion of the chips have problems, and that it only affects a single codec. These will be screened before it reaches customers."

And another report that matches up to my previous post (this will not affect MacBook Pros)

"Intel spokesman Elvin Ong said, "We are taking the extra days to address two issues that require us to re-screen our chipsets with integrated graphics, and attend to some terms and conditions mistakes while filing and testing our wireless antennas. We are not going to ship a sub-par product into the market."

So for all you Apple users that arent really familiar with Intel and x86 world. This isnt a cause for panic. Apple only uses integrated graphics in Macbooks and Mac minis. If the decode problem still exists (which in will undoubtly WONT) companies like Broadcom are ready to step up and provide an HD decode chip in the mean time. Intel has been executing its roadmap flawlessly up until spring where it had a few minor mishaps. Instead of June 14th its now July 22nd. A one month delay isn't the end of the world and this doesn't necessarily mean we won't see an updated line of Macbooks/Pros. I love how people jump to conclusions. "OMG Apple is being dragged down by intel's delays blah blah"

One thing to keep in mind. In the Macbook Pro, Apple doesn't use Intel's wifi chip (scratch one of the problems) nor does it use integrated graphics (scratch problem 2 of 2). One thing is for sure, if we don't get an updated MBP, its NOT because of intel.

Gimme a break. I cannot wait for Centrino 2 :)

[mrmids]

still holding on till June though, hope my 867 Powerbook keeps going, I have been waiting a year for a decent update, and montevina and the new case design rumours is what:rolleyes: kept me going.

[Anaxarxes]

X3100 versus the current GMA950? Twice the graphics performance, and, oh yeah, official support for Hi Def...

-Clive

X3100 does not have hardware VC-1 or AVC acceleration, only MPEG-2 (DVD). It does not matter anyway, since Quicktime does not use GPU acceleration on HD content decoding.

X4500 will be full decode/encoder of HD media with support of all the codecs, and thus Apple line will be HD ready and hopefully we'll see a Quaicktime update with Video Processor support (on the GPU) for HD media. (and then we'll see Blu-ray Drives offered from Apple itself, starting with Mac Pro)

[Tex-Twil]

One thing to keep in mind. In the Macbook Pro, Apple doesn't use Intel's wifi chip (scratch one of the problems) nor does it use integrated graphics (scratch problem 2 of 2). One thing is for sure, if we don't get an updated MBP, its NOT because of intel.

So we actually could get a MBP update in June ? I guess that only God and Steve Jobs know.

[marbles]

still holding on till June though, hope my 867 Powerbook keeps going, I have been waiting a year for a decent update, and montevina and the new case design rumours is what:rolleyes: kept me going.


...may as well just wait for Nehalem in 09

[echosmyron]

so, I need a MacBook for this summer. should I buy it after seeing if anything will happen at WWDC? or wait until July/Aug/Sept? will the next macbook update be really really important?

[Anaxarxes]

so, I need a MacBook for this summer. should I buy it after seeing if anything will happen at WWDC? or wait until July/Aug/Sept? will the next macbook update be really really important?

You said it yourself. You need a Macbook. If you need it badly, buy one. A computer does not magically slow down after it gets replaced by a newer, faster model. You need one, buy one. You want one, you can either buy one, or wait.

Next MB update will probably be a major one with a new exterior design.

[echosmyron]

Next MB update will probably be a major one with a new exterior design.
is the quarter 3 update going to be major? posts before me say that the next major one will not be until 2009

[tenks]

So we actually could get a MBP update in June ? I guess that only God and Steve Jobs know.

Yes of course. Even if somehow the delays effect MBPs, which they SHOULDNT, it's only another month. Why CANT steve jobs anounce new products in June at WWDC and have the rollout a month later? They've done this paperlaunch before with many products. People act as if if its anounced at WWDC it has to be available ASAP or its not coming out!... sheez Remember all those announcements with "shipping in ____" right after it's announced...People have such short term memory.


...may as well just wait for Nehalem in 09

No way in hell we're not going to see a just a minor speed bump until '09, that's the last thing we got with the penryns. It's only delayed by one month, so that automatically makes it less major and skipped altogether for Nehalem? And if you know anything about mobile nehalem, it's q3 '09 on roadmaps. You think apple is going to wait another 12 months from now to do something to the MBs? You are crazy.

[marbles]

No way in hell we're not going to see a just a minor speed bump until '09. And you know anything about mobile nehalem, it's q3 '09 on roadmaps. You think apple is going to wait another 12 months from now to do something to the MBs? I doubt it!

You misunderstood my meaning ...if the guy had been waiting a year already for Montavena then he could wait a bit longer till Nehalem.

I do think some small improvement will happen to either MBP or Macbook or both (doubtful both imo) hopefully the mini will see something too .But the main update really will be Nehalem with all that it offers over what is available now and Montavina.

[thinkband]

Yes of course. Even if somehow the delays effect MBPs, which they SHOULDNT, it's only another month. Why CANT steve jobs anounce new products in June at WWDC and have the rollout a month later? They've done this paperlaunch before with many products. People act as if if its anounced at WWDC it has to be available ASAP or its not coming out!... sheez Remember all those announcements with "shipping in ____" right after it's announced...People have such short term memory.




No way in hell we're not going to see a just a minor speed bump until '09, that's the last thing we got with the penryns. It's only delayed by one month, so that automatically makes it less major and skipped altogether for Nehalem? And if you know anything about mobile nehalem, it's q3 '09 on roadmaps. You think apple is going to wait another 12 months from now to do something to the MBs? You are crazy.

UHH.. Apple has not done anything spectactular to their macbook/pros in the last three years. Why now? Nahelm gives them an excuse to make something big happen. Read up on these boards a little bit more. There are few rumors to suggest anything big will happen this year.

[Anaxarxes]

You said it yourself. You need a Macbook. If you need it badly, buy one. A computer does not magically slow down after it gets replaced by a newer, faster model. You need one, buy one. You want one, you can either buy one, or wait.

Next MB update will probably be a major one with a new exterior design.

Thermal properties of Montevina does not require a total redesign as it's very similar to Santa Rosa platform. With the Introduction of Nehalem architecture, Calpella will replace Montevina and possibly a new design will debut in 2009. But Apple could also listen to it's customers and introduce an all new aluminum MB with Montevina, who knows?

[jeremyrader]

You misunderstood my meaning ...if the guy had been waiting a year already for Montavena then he could wait a bit longer till Nehalem.

I do think some small improvement will happen to either MBP or Macbook or both (doubtful both imo) hopefully the mini will see something too .But the main update really will be Nehalem with all that it offers over what is available now and Montavina.

Why rush? Nehalem shrinks to 32nm in '10, which will probably give a small speed bump and/or battery life improvement. Then there's a whole new architecture coming in '11. I mean, if this joker's been waiting this long for a "decent update" to his computer equivalent to a Honda CVCC engine, he might as well wait a few more years. Certainly that G4 can hold out until then... my old '82 Accord was pushing 1.2M miles when I finally "upgraded".
:D

[CWallace]

Why CANT steve jobs anounce new products in June at WWDC and have the rollout a month later?

Because they either end up sitting on a bunch of old stock they have to blow out at lower prices, or they time it so they sell out of the old stuff before they announce the new and we get 1000 posts of "How can Apple sell out of this product for a month?" like we did with the iPhone in the UK. :p

[louden]

Looks like Montevina is slipping a bit longer...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/centrino_delay/

I've got my MBP Merom Rev2 and I don't think I'll be buying a new laptop until this time next year - I figure Nehalem should be around by then and pick one up with my ADC discount...

This lappy is great for vista and macos...

[switcher3365]

Oh I am so glad that I got my Penryn MBP when it first came out. My "technology life" is SO much better.

The thought of me still slugging it out on my 2002 Gateway 900MHz Celeron in anticipation of a "new design" of the MBP just makes me go crazy.

[kockgunner]

theres nothing to say that apple wouldn't do a dual graphics card approach, similar to that on some sony/asus (I think) laptops.

that's a good point actually. but how much battery life can one expect to gain with this approach?

[schnee]

Further clarification and details on the delay: (note Centrino 2 = montevina )

--snip--

So for all you Apple users that arent really familiar with Intel and x86 world. This isnt a cause for panic. Apple only uses integrated graphics in Macbooks and Mac minis. If the decode problem still exists (which in will undoubtly WONT) companies like Broadcom are ready to step up and provide an HD decode chip in the mean time. Intel has been executing its roadmap flawlessly up until spring where it had a few minor mishaps. Instead of June 14th its now July 22nd. A one month delay isn't the end of the world and this doesn't necessarily mean we won't see an updated line of Macbooks/Pros. I love how people jump to conclusions. "OMG Apple is being dragged down by intel's delays blah blah"


Thanks for the HUGELY informative post. I've heard bits and pieces of a lot of things in different places, and this tied it all together for me.

[SodiumBenzoate]

The mini will probably get the GMA X3100 graphics and stay with the Santa Rosa chipset to differentiate it from the new Macbooks etc.

Uh, wouldn't the Mac Mini not being a notebook be more than enough to differentiate it from the MacBook?

that's a good point actually. but how much battery life can one expect to gain with this approach?

If you turn the discrete card off, the battery life is no worse than just having the integrated graphics.

[Hesiga]

Thanks for the HUGELY informative post. I've heard bits and pieces of a lot of things in different places, and this tied it all together for me.

I agree that post helped me a little but I'm still confused about one thing, is it time to buy or no? I'm selling my Powerbook G4 on wednesday, I was doing so in the hope of buying a new one after the June show, now I guess I do what? wait till july? september? January? I'm not sure what to do, any suggestions?

[g00k]

lol informative?
nothing new... he said yeah maybe properably and well who knows...
is that informative?

[schnee]

lol informative?
nothing new... he said yeah maybe properably and well who knows...
is that informative?

lol yes

He gave more background about Intel and what their problems imply to the Mac platform.

I guess some of us aren't smart like you, and we 'properably' need things spelled out clearly. Sorry if that disappointed you.

[digitalbiker]

I agree that post helped me a little but I'm still confused about one thing, is it time to buy or no? I'm selling my Powerbook G4 on wednesday, I was doing so in the hope of buying a new one after the June show, now I guess I do what? wait till july? september? January? I'm not sure what to do, any suggestions?

The truth is that no one can answer that question! This is a rumor site, everyone is talking about rumors.

Personally, unless you are prepared to go without your laptop for a possible long period of time, or if you could live with purchasing the current model MBP, then I would hang on to your PB.

Apple will keep announced products secret until they are officially ready to announce them. Until the WWDC, everyone is just guessing. 50 times out of 100 Apple disappoints the rumor sites by not releasing the anticipated feature rich product. The other 50 times out of 100, Apple completely surprizes the rumor sites with an entirely different product altogether.

[thinkband]

The truth is that no one can answer that question! This is a rumor site, everyone is talking about rumors.

Personally, unless you are prepared to go without your laptop for a possible long period of time, or if you could live with purchasing the current model MBP, then I would hang on to your PB.

Apple will keep announced products secret until they are officially ready to announce them. Until the WWDC, everyone is just guessing. 50 times out of 100 Apple disappoints the rumor sites by not releasing the anticipated feature rich product. The other 50 times out of 100, Apple completely surprizes the rumor sites with an entirely different product altogether.

Just go for it. Unless you plan on waiting till Nahelm + case redesign (who the hell knows when that will be), I don't see the need to wait another three months for a speed bump, especially since you are going without a computer now. You are going to start kicking yourself in two months when the macbook refresh is STILL a rumor, and you could have had a snazzy notebook the whole time.

[marbles]

Just go for it. Unless you plan on waiting till Nahelm + case redesign (who the hell knows when that will be), I don't see the need to wait another three months for a speed bump, especially since you are going without a computer now. You are going to start kicking yourself in two months when the macbook refresh is STILL a rumor, and you could have had a snazzy notebook the whole time.


Yeah but , WWDC might just reveal...something ..

*hopes

[tenks]

UHH.. Apple has not done anything spectactular to their macbook/pros in the last three years. Why now? Nahelm gives them an excuse to make something big happen. Read up on these boards a little bit more. There are few rumors to suggest anything big will happen this year.

So I guess moving its laptops from PPC to x86 with Core Duo in 06 and then another leap to Core 2 duo in 06/07 (well within the last 3 years) is not spectacular at all?...It was actually pretty easy, just ask any of their engineers.../sarcasm

First off I do read these forums, and I'm not trying to toot my own horn here but I know Intel's roadmap pretty darn well, I'd say really well..And with that comes a knowledge of and great insight on apple products (well, because they use Intel parts!) more so then actual apple users themselves. I don't need to read all the rumors on this site to understand what's going on, because what's going on is Intel's roadmap, and I know that. But let me entertain this for you though...

Why now you say? Well Intel is officially relaunching its centrino brand with Centrino 2 this summer/fall (or whenever they decide to) and with that comes a multi-million dollar ad campaign and for tier 1 vendors and OEMs (HP, Dell etc) (apple is special but like a tier 1 oem) multi-million dollars in rebates if you use Centrino (2) parts. Why WOULDN'T apple want to take apart of this? If they skipped out on Centrino 2 and for the macbook pros specifically the BASE of Centrino 2, 2nd gen penryns + Cantiga (actual chipset) they'd be technologically inferior to all its competitors AND they'd be refusing free money (rebates from intel)...

You don't understand, not everything is driven by the technoloy but the politics behind it. Everyone and their brother (meaning companies) are coming out with hot, new fresh Centrino 2 based laptops...Why? Because it offers LOTS OF improvements but most importantly the PR machine that comes a long with it. Apple would downright silly to miss out on all of this. A mobile quad core at 35w thermal envelope is nothing short of amazing, and only Montevina can support that. I can go on for days...sheesh.

P.S. its nEhAlem

[prins6]

I reckon the question is what the odds are of Apple updating without the new Montevina-chips. If - most likely - they won't update without Montevina, then 1+1=2 and we won't see updates until July 14th when Montevina arrives. Right?

[Martin C]

I reckon the question is what the odds are of Apple updating without the new Montevina-chips. If - most likely - they won't update without Montevina, then 1+1=2 and we won't see updates until July 14th when Montevina arrives. Right?
No, either they will announce it and ship when Montevina is ready, or they will announce at ship around July 14th. They won't do two new generations within a month of each other.

[CrossFireXT17]

hmm... well I start college on like August 14th, and it would have been nice to have the redesign, but as some people have said, idk if I even would like the redesign. So I guess I'll wait till they announce that college program (which last year was June 5th.. first Tuesday of the month), so I'm guessing June 3rd will be the day I'll be buying my first mac ever!

[LeviG]

that's a good point actually. but how much battery life can one expect to gain with this approach?

From what I've seen with the sony's anything upto 2 hours extra on a 13" screen.

[alecattaz]

I'm going to buy my first MBP.
I've decided to buy it since May and as soon as I read about a possible refresh in June I decided waiting just till WWDC.
If in June it won't be this famous refresh I'll buy the actual MBP 15" and stop.
It's stupid imho waiting a lot of time.
When Apple will decide to make a big refresh of the MBP I may sell my MBP and buy a new one.
Simply and no troubles. :-))

[whatwereusaying]

hmm... well I start college on like August 14th, and it would have been nice to have the redesign, but as some people have said, idk if I even would like the redesign. So I guess I'll wait till they announce that college program (which last year was June 5th.. first Tuesday of the month), so I'm guessing June 3rd will be the day I'll be buying my first mac ever!

what college program are you talking about?

I'm guessing you don't mean education discount... http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/routingpage.html available all the time?

did I miss something? ^that marked my cart down few hundred bucks after notebook+applecare+some software...

[g00k]

crossfire means... back to school promotion...
meaning u buy a macbook and u get an ipod nano for free kinda like that... i am too lazy atm to explain it.
and last year it was th 5th june when they offered it. if u want further infos dont ask me :rolleyes:

[Impatient]

I just called the NYU computer store to inquire about the MBP (they sell the 2.4ghz 15" model for $1,700) and the guy there informed me that they got word from Apple that come this Monday their prices were going up at the NYU store. He said they weren't told which models, if it was going to be all or only select models, or by how much only that they should be prepared for it on Monday.

Could mean they are raising them to match the education discount at the normal apple store but they have had the same price points at the NYU store since before the last speed bump in Feb. Thought this was an interesting bit of info given the recent rumors about intel's delays and the upcoming WWDC

Update:
Then again, this could be the reason too....
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/05/29/sources_apple_planning_biggest_back_to_school_promo_yet.html

[whatwereusaying]

crossfire means... back to school promotion...
meaning u buy a macbook and u get an ipod nano for free kinda like that... i am too lazy atm to explain it.
and last year it was th 5th june when they offered it. if u want further infos dont ask me :rolleyes:

ahh... thank you.

you can keep your nano though.

you were motivated enough to reply and roll your eyes... and tell me you're lazy. would a little more explanation have killed you? :p

[CrossFireXT17]

yea sorry for not being clear about that! haha But yea its the discount they do every year for the ipod deals (its either $100 or $200 off any ipod.. not just the nano, they just market it as the nano because it becomes free then afterwards). Thanks for clearing it up though!

[thinkband]

I'm going to buy my first MBP.
I've decided to buy it since May and as soon as I read about a possible refresh in June I decided waiting just till WWDC.
If in June it won't be this famous refresh I'll buy the actual MBP 15" and stop.
It's stupid imho waiting a lot of time.
When Apple will decide to make a big refresh of the MBP I may sell my MBP and buy a new one.
Simply and no troubles. :-))

Amen, I bought my macbook pro today and I absolutely LOVE it. No regrets over here.

[whatwereusaying]

Amen, I bought my macbook pro today and I absolutely LOVE it. No regrets over here.

So I guess I'm not alone. Waiting on FedEx now.

[CWallace]

I'm handing over my MacBook to my friend tomorrow and then visiting the Apple Store in Portland (OR) and I have a feeling I'm walking out with a MacBook Pro even though I planned to wait for WWDC. But right now with absolutely no hints about new chassis or anything else, I don't think I want to come home empty-handed.

And if they do release something epic at WWDC, I'll eat the 15% re-stock fee.

[tenks]

Hate to say it, but I told you so...

"iT IS NOT NEWS that Montevina is late, nor that it is going to have repercussions, but the question is why did this happen. Related to it is what is the fallout.

The mostly official why is that there was a paperwork snafu with the FCC and the wireless portion didn't get certified. What isn't being said is that Montevina uses a PCIe half-card format for its 802.11x cards. Intel can't step back to the older a/b/g card because those are full sized and simply won't fit. Ah, the joys of bleeding-edge packaging.

Intel has never been too good at new wireless standards, and the paperwork snafu does not explain the rumours of a new silicon spin we are hearing about. Other rumours are that the 802.11n portion will be fused off, and initial Montevinas will be a/b/g only. Not a huge loss for any consumer, but a black eye for Intel."

Apple has never used Intel wireless cards..Ive said it before and I will say it again, the Monte delay doesn't effect Apple, in the very least not the MBP..

Source (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/31/montevina-delays-big-deal)

[Impatient]

Question...Regardless of the actual reason they are holding up the shipments of the Montevina chips, the fact is that the entire line is now delayed, if apple was planning on putting these chips into their new MBP's then how does it not them?

[mjteix]

...

Apple has never used Intel wireless cards..Ive said it before and I will say it again, the Monte delay doesn't effect Apple, in the very least not the MBP..

Source (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/31/montevina-delays-big-deal)

It would be great if it indeed doesn't effect Apple.

But in terms of "sources" I'd rather stay with pretty much official declarations like this one (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080528-intel-delays-full-introduction-of-centrino-2-into-august.html), instead of giving any credit to the Inquirer.

On July 14, the first PM chipsets (which use discrete graphics processors) will appear, along with Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme Mobile CPUs. GM chipsets (integrated graphics) won't hit the market until August, as the spokesperson said Intel needs to rescreen all of the Montevina integrated graphics chipsets.

It is still unknown if Apple planned to update the MBP/MB/Mac mini in the coming weeks and what chips they needed to do so or if they already asked Intel for custom chips like those of the current iMac, but:

If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.

[NYCMacFan]

The new processor would seem nice, but for 90% of what people use a laptop for (surfing, MS office, etc.), who really cares.

If the case was being changed, it would be more to me.

Also, to me the only issue on computers these days is video graphics (if it is windows integrated, it won't be great). Unless this is going to change, further reason I don't worry so much on the deal.

Also, if they are going to offer another rebate on a new ipod or something, will add to the attraction of either the existing mb or a slightly upgraded one with this new chip.

[louden]

The new processor would seem nice, but for 90% of what people use a laptop for (surfing, MS office, etc.), who really cares.

If the case was being changed, it would be more to me.



Isn't that the conventional thinking since this is a change in the chipset, and not just the chip? I'd be on new MBPs in a week...

[tenks]

Question...Regardless of the actual reason they are holding up the shipments of the Montevina chips, the fact is that the entire line is now delayed, if apple was planning on putting these chips into their new MBP's then how does it not them?

I actually said it many many times, but I will say it one more time. MBPs don't use integrated graphics, nor Intel's wireless chipsets. The two problems that are hampering Monte right now. And the entire line is not delayed. You can have montevina w/o the integrated graphics and wireless chipset which is precisely what Intel may end up shipping first.

It would be great if it indeed doesn't effect Apple.

But in terms of "sources" I'd rather stay with pretty much official declarations like this one (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080528-intel-delays-full-introduction-of-centrino-2-into-august.html), instead of giving any credit to the Inquirer.



It is still unknown if Apple planned to update the MBP/MB/Mac mini in the coming weeks and what chips they needed to do so or if they already asked Intel for custom chips like those of the current iMac, but:

If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.



I give credit to the Inquirer because they give real news. Who cares if they are unofficial or not or if they are called the INquirer or the Bermuda Triangle Times. They are a very reliable new sources Not-candy coated PR bs that is paid for but whatever company that gave them the NDA of the product they are reviewing. Especially if Charlie D is the source, he is such a ridiculously credible source, especially when it comes to Intel and their spinners and whats really going on. Sweet you got "official" word from Ars technica...But they reported the same thing Charlie D did on the Inqurier 2 months ago. But hey man, its official now from ars, so that makes them more credible and the news real...I mean the irony here is that your criticizing me on a rumors site about official sources...Hahaha gimme a break!

[mjteix]

I actually said it many many times, but I will say it one more time. MBPs don't use integrated graphics, nor Intel's wireless chipsets. The two problems that are hampering Monte right now. And the entire line is not delayed. You can have montevina w/o the integrated graphics and wireless chipset which is precisely what Intel may end up shipping first.





I give credit to the Inquirer because they give real news. Who cares if they are unofficial or not or if they are called the INquirer or the Bermuda Triangle Times. They are a very reliable new sources Not-candy coated PR bs that is paid for but whatever company that gave them the NDA of the product they are reviewing. Especially if Charlie D is the source, he is such a ridiculously credible source, especially when it comes to Intel and their spinners and whats really going on. Sweet you got "official" word from Ars technica...But they reported the same thing Charlie D did on the Inqurier 2 months ago. But hey man, its official now from ars, so that makes them more credible and the news real...I mean the irony here is that your criticizing me on a rumors site about official sources...Hahaha gimme a break!


You don't read the articles, do you?

Yeah, the Inquirer is a reliable source of tabloïd-type information like:
"You can fry an egg on a GPU (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/31/fry-egg-gpu)"
"Intel updates gaming notebook chips: Quads at 35W and Montevina on June 22 (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/14/intel-updates-gaming-notebooks)"
both by your beloved Charlie D.

Sometimes they have good information sometimes it is pure "friction"

Anyway, at least ars is reporting on what an Intel's spokesperson said (not rumors or speculation) and many other information sites are reporting the same Intel's spokesperson statement, which I will repeat here is case you missed it the first time:

On July 14, the first PM chipsets (which use discrete graphics processors) will appear, along with Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme Mobile CPUs. GM chipsets (integrated graphics) won't hit the market until August, as the spokesperson said Intel needs to rescreen all of the Montevina integrated graphics chipsets.

And, here's another article from ITworld.com that reports on the same statement (http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2076/intel-centrino-2-launch-delayed-080528/).

So, it doesn't matter if the MBP doesn't use Intel's integrated graphics or wireless modules. If Apple planned to release a MBP with Montevina-based cpus and the PM chipset, it doesn't look like they will be able to ship those before mid-July, making it unlikely for a WWDC announcement.

[DiamondMac]

Amen, I bought my macbook pro today and I absolutely LOVE it. No regrets over here.

And others should follow this advice.

Awhile ago I was contemplating the same thing about buying a MB and I pulled the trigger even with rumors of future upgrades and I am glad that I did as the new updates didn't really add anything that I had to have nor was the speed difference anything THAT noticable. I ended up upgrading my memory a few months later for dirt cheap and it has improved my MBP tremendously

Just go for it if you want it.

You will be satisfied with what you get AND you won't be missing out on anything major, imo.

[CWallace]

Question...Regardless of the actual reason they are holding up the shipments of the Montevina chips, the fact is that the entire line is now delayed, if apple was planning on putting these chips into their new MBP's then how does it not them?

It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:

[Impatient]

It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:

Thanks for the replies. I've been patiently waiting months for WWDC for news of a redesign (or lack of news) to buy my MBP....lets hope for good news next monday

[louden]

Actually, after thinking about it, if the new chip sets aren't available for shipping, I don't think Apple would announce anything at the WWDC. They certainly wouldn't pre-announce a new MBP and lose the sales for a month or two.

I don't think Apple would pre-announce anything, unless it was an entirely new product - like they did with the iPhone. So, given all of that, here's what I think they'll announce at the WWDC:

- new iPhone
- new Atom device (pre-announcement?)
- new ACDs

Although we're hearing about Apple's new .Mac, I'd rather hear more of Apple and Google working together to offer some types of .Mac type services. Something that links to Google contacts, calendar and mail (and tasks!) for the iPhone OS and Mac OS.

[MacSA]

If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.

That would mean the Mini will have gone more than one whole year without an update. :eek::eek: Wouldn't surprise me.

[tenks]

You don't read the articles, do you?

Yeah, the Inquirer is a reliable source of tabloïd-type information like:
"You can fry an egg on a GPU (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/31/fry-egg-gpu)"
"Intel updates gaming notebook chips: Quads at 35W and Montevina on June 22 (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/14/intel-updates-gaming-notebooks)"
both by your beloved Charlie D.

Sometimes they have good information sometimes it is pure "friction"

Anyway, at least ars is reporting on what an Intel's spokesperson said (not rumors or speculation) and many other information sites are reporting the same Intel's spokesperson statement, which I will repeat here is case you missed it the first time:



And, here's another article from ITworld.com that reports on the same statement (http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2076/intel-centrino-2-launch-delayed-080528/).

So, it doesn't matter if the MBP doesn't use Intel's integrated graphics or wireless modules. If Apple planned to release a MBP with Montevina-based cpus and the PM chipset, it doesn't look like they will be able to ship those before mid-July, making it unlikely for a WWDC announcement.


Dude, you're repeating everything I already said, this is hilarious! Anyway love how you cherry pick an article that is obviously based on humor and a tongue in cheek joke as the only way to discredit him, lol, you're pathetic. And as far as the other article you linked, you shot yourself in the foot with that one. Read the article, the CHIPS aren't delayed and are still on track for June 22 release. And by chips I mean 1066fsb Penryns. All your precious official sites also say that. But this is becoming a pointless argument...I have all the information I need and I was trying to help the misinformed who went crazy when they heard Monte got delayed. I will continue to read the real news on my site, long before your site is even allowed to think about posting it, even if they were in the loop...

It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:
Man all the information looks familiar...hmmm..:rolleyes:

Btw, where did you hear intel is running late on the new Penryns? And where did you hear their fabs were behind schedule? Pull that outta your butt? Cause the only thing thats on time are the chips, they've been sampling since April..

[Eidorian]

Gigabyte Centrino 2 laptop months ahead of schedule (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13585)

[CWallace]

Btw, where did you hear intel is running late on the new Penryns? And where did you hear their fabs were behind schedule? Pull that outta your butt? Cause the only thing thats on time are the chips, they've been sampling since April..

Sampling... Not in full production.

As to my information, it comes from Intel itself as well as Intel's customers.

The only full-scale 45nm fabrication facility Intel has is Fab 35 in Chandler, Arizona. They also have a small R&D fab in Hillsboro, Oregon, which is where these new chips are being "sampled". But that plant's output is a pittance.

Fab 28 in Kiryat Gat, Israel was supposed to be online by now, but in February Intel announced that it would not open until the second half of this year. They may get it up on the 29th, which would still meet the H1 goal, but as of a month ago, the VP in charge of Intel's operations in Israel wasn't sounding too hopeful. Also later this year, Fab 11X in Rio Rancho, New Mexico will complete conversion to 45nm.

Per the President of Intel, Intel's initial focus with 45nm production was server/workstation chips (the Xeon 54xx/52xx). Once those lines were covered, they moved to the desktop chips (Q9xxx/E8xxx/E7xxx). They are now working on the mobile chips (T9xxx/T8xxx), but with only one full fab to build seven different lines, that is affecting how quickly they can get them to market. And then there is the new Atom chip that Intel needs to push out, but it sounds like that production is limited to Hillsboro since ASUS noted they were experiencing severe constraints on deliveries of the dual-core product through Q3 and have been told by Intel they won't see the quad-core until Q4 (which is when all three fabs will be at full-production).

[Tallest Skil]

That would mean the Mini will have gone more than one whole year without an update. :eek::eek:

Your shock is funny. Think about us. (see my signature) 518 days.

[Tunez]

Maybe i am completely wrong but i remember reading an article on the imacs using a form of the montevina platform. If this is true then would the MBPs not be able to ship with the new platform pretty soon/ now?

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/28/intel-provides-early-montevina-like-technology-to-imac/

[Eidorian]

Puma and Centrino 2 laptops from MSI (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13624)

[CWallace]

Maybe i am completely wrong but i remember reading an article on the imacs using a form of the montevina platform. If this is true then would the MBPs not be able to ship with the new platform pretty soon/ now?

When the latest refresh launched, the new FSB and memory speeds were the same as would be coming with Montevina, so I for one mistakenly assumed that the iMac was now on Montevina.

However, Intel soon announced that they had created an improved form of the existing Santa Rosa motherboards and Penryn processors to support higher FSBs and memory speeds.

[Eidorian]

Computex 2008: Centrino 2 Montevina Laptop Roundup (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Computex_2008%3A_Centrino_2_Montevina_Laptop_Roundup/5838.html)

[Admonitor]

Computex 2008: Centrino 2 Montevina Laptop Roundup (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Computex_2008%3A_Centrino_2_Montevina_Laptop_Roundup/5838.html)

If all these companies have Montevina Laptops ready, would that suggest that Apple perhaps have something up their sleeve for demonstration soon. Obviously not for selling, because of the delays.

[Tex-Twil]

If all these companies have Montevina Laptops ready, would that suggest that Apple perhaps have something up their sleeve for demonstration soon. Obviously not for selling, because of the delays.

Computex 2008: Centrino 2 Montevina Laptop Roundup (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Computex_2008%3A_Centrino_2_Montevina_Laptop_Roundup/5838.html)

Well if other brands are already showing notebooks with Montevina, why the Apple products should be delayed ?

[CWallace]

If all these companies have Montevina Laptops ready, would that suggest that Apple perhaps have something up their sleeve for demonstration soon. Obviously not for selling, because of the delays.

It's one thing to have a unit or two on hand at a trade show for demo purposes. Call those folks up and ask for a shipment of 10,000 for delivery next week and the answer is likely a "no". :D

If Apple has indeed moved to a new form factor for the MBP and all that it is waiting for are components, Apple might show it off at WWDC - preferably followed by a price cut on the current stock (since I am three days into owning my new MBP and would keep it if it's $250 or more cheaper then the new units).

[Impatient]

The suspense is killing me, I've been waiting months for a new MBP and the rumors that its going to be delayed makes me think that I should have bought it months ago.

I really hope they announce it on monday cause I'm marching into an apple store regardless, I can't wait any longer.

[g00k]

btw why do all think mb and mbp get an update at the same time?
any evidence for that? i hope we will see a new mbp in the next 3weeks

[louden]

Computex 2008: Centrino 2 Montevina Laptop Roundup (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Computex_2008%3A_Centrino_2_Montevina_Laptop_Roundup/5838.html)

One of those images shows a "Windows Experience Index" from Vista at 1.0! You'd think the new hardware refresh would be a bit faster...

[Eidorian]

One of those images shows a "Windows Experience Index" from Vista at 1.0! You'd think the new hardware refresh would be a bit faster...The same can be said of Nehalam and X58. :rolleyes:

[Fenir]

Here is what I have decided on:

I will wait until June 17. If there is no word on a MBP update/refresh, I will get it then. While I don't have a problem waiting until September for a new MBP, my 1st generation Macbook screen has failed to work now and I have been w/o a laptop for almost four months. I will get my baseline MBP and love every minute of it.

Honestly, knowing that my wait will be soon over is worth it. The more and more I look into it, a refresh won't add that much to it. Yeah, the major update next year will be a nice boost, but I need my MBP for college.

Let the 2 Week Countdown begin.

[Jmanstk]

Same thing i'm doing. Going to the Apple Store next saturday (14th) for my shiny new blackbook (As long as there is no update at WWDC, which i doubt there will be). I'm so excited i can barely stand it, i've been waiting since about january to get it. Just 8 Days to go :)

[DiamondMac]

Here is what I have decided on:

I will wait until June 17. If there is no word on a MBP update/refresh, I will get it then. While I don't have a problem waiting until September for a new MBP, my 1st generation Macbook screen has failed to work now and I have been w/o a laptop for almost four months. I will get my baseline MBP and love every minute of it.

Honestly, knowing that my wait will be soon over is worth it. The more and more I look into it, a refresh won't add that much to it. Yeah, the major update next year will be a nice boost, but I need my MBP for college.

Let the 2 Week Countdown begin.

You are making the right decision and will be very satisfied with what you get

I am going on my 2nd year with my MBP and still couldn't be happier

I suspect all those who order and then worried about missing out on a future update....actually get the computer and wonder why they worried to start with

You are still getting a fantastic machine

[louden]

Amen, I bought my macbook pro today and I absolutely LOVE it. No regrets over here.

Sure, but see how you feel when the next rev comes out - either next week, or say, in August...

[CWallace]

Sure, but see how you feel when the next rev comes out - either next week, or say, in August...

Well if it is next week, I'm still within my 14-day return period. :)

And if it is in August, I need a MacBook Pro in July, so it's irrelevant. ;)

[whatwereusaying]

Sure, but see how you feel when the next rev comes out - either next week, or say, in August...

All I know is, right now, I have the current generation mbp. And most people who are waiting don't. If next week I have a prev. gen mbp, it won't be too far different from the new one. And if it is, I won't be on the phone with applecare. Those who waited will be. Today, the difference between me and them is, I have a new computer.

And, it's pretty bad*ss.

[louden]

All I know is, right now, I have the current generation mbp. And most people who are waiting don't. If next week I have a prev. gen mbp, it won't be too far different from the new one. And if it is, I won't be on the phone with applecare. Those who waited will be. Today, the difference between me and them is, I have a new computer.

And, it's pretty bad*ss.

BadA$$?

BadA$$ is me with my 15" Merom MBP tricked out with a 1920x1200 screen. It's so cool... Cool like Adam Sandler in Billy Madison when he goes back to high school with his bada$$ Trans Am and Billy Squier blasting out the stereo. Sure he knows it's BadA$$, but nobody else thinks so :)

[CK-MAC]

im getting a macbook for college. never owned a mac before. so im waiting a little. its tough! I want to get one with enough time to play around with it and get to know it. Yet if a new one comes out, i want to get that. But if a new one came out, chances are there will be bugs... if its even worth the update so for know, il wait until the event, if they dont say anything then il wait until end of june/july ( its graduation gift so il be able to get it then)........i hope they announce it though if there will be an update and say when it comes out and what it will have. i go to school end of augest. I want to have the macbook by mid-july the latest

same boat as u

[HFU]

According to thinkpads.com (http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=63144), Lenovo is releasing new X200, SL, T, and R series. Using T series as close resemblance to MBP, we can expect the updated MBP Montevina (Centrino 2) to include similar specification:

* Intel Centrino 2 with vPro up to 2.8GHz 6MB Cache (featuring faster 1066MHz FSB)
* Optional 64GB SSD / 320GB HDD
* 512MB ATI Mobility FireGL V5700 graphics (or Nvidia equivalent model)
* DDR3 RAM (1067MHz DDR3)
* WWAN / WiMAX / WiFi / Bluetooth

We may also see updated MB and MBA with Integrated Intel GMA 4500MHD or discrete NVIDIA GeForce 9300 graphics from the similar specs ThinkPad X and SL models. A summary of these specifications can be read from Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/08/details-surface-for-future-thinkpads-x200-sl-t-and-r-series/).

[whatwereusaying]

BadA$$?

BadA$$ is me with my 15" Merom MBP tricked out with a 1920x1200 screen. It's so cool... Cool like Adam Sandler in Billy Madison when he goes back to high school with his bada$$ Trans Am and Billy Squier blasting out the stereo. Sure he knows it's BadA$$, but nobody else thinks so :)

Good comparison... there is nothing wrong with blasting bad music out of your mediocre car. as long as it makes you happy.

bad*ss to me is enough for me. If nobody else thinks so, that's because they're still waiting for something they won't be able to buy today, or tomorrow more than likely.

[lhotka]

According to [URL="
* DDR3 RAM (1067MHz DDR3)


And that's the reason to wait. I've got a 2.33 Core2Duo MBP now with a 3GB limit. Just upgrading to 4GB and the new Nvidia chip is almost, but not enough to upgrade. DDR3 will definitely improve speed for my applications.

So it's back to waiting again....I just hope it's sooner than October.

[collegedu3]

All I know is, right now, I have the current generation mbp. And most people who are waiting don't. If next week I have a prev. gen mbp, it won't be too far different from the new one. And if it is, I won't be on the phone with applecare. Those who waited will be. Today, the difference between me and them is, I have a new computer.

And, it's pretty bad*ss.

Your rationalization reminds me of the first stage of grief, denial. I'm actually worried for you, as the next stage involves, as Wikipedia so brusquely puts it, "volatile reactions." In The Grieving Process, authors Michael R. Leming and George E. Dickinson write:

Whenever one's identity and social order face the possibility of destruction, there is a natural tendency to feel angry, frustrated, helpless, and/or hurt.

Wow, that sounds familiar. Faced with losing your identity as the coolest dude with the newest technology, you deny your true feelings in a sad attempt to fend off imminent ruination and despair. (hehe)

:D

[HFU]

DDR3 will definitely improve speed for my applications.
So it's back to waiting again....I just hope it's sooner than October.
Cantiga chipset (Montevina platform) is what I've been waiting for too. It took several iterations until the CPU:Memory (1067FSB:1066FSB) reaches 1:2 ratio again (which is the preferred ratio similar to Napa platform, 667FSB:667-DDR2).

We may also watch for possible 15.6" and 17.3" LCD panels for new 15" and 17" MBP as several first-tier notebook vendors (Acer, Asusteck, Lenovo, Sony) are planning to launch 16:9 panel Montevina notebooks starting July 2008. It will be very interesting to see Apple releasing new product update based on Montevina platform any day now...

[SchneiderMan]

Cantiga chipset (Montevina platform) is what I've been waiting for too. It took several iterations until the CPU:Memory (1067FSB:1066FSB) reaches 1:2 ratio again (which is the preferred ratio similar to Napa platform, 667FSB:667-DDR2).

We may also watch for possible 15.6" and 17.3" LCD panels for new 15" and 17" MBP as several first-tier notebook vendors (Acer, Asusteck, Lenovo, Sony) are planning to launch 16:9 panel Montevina notebooks starting July 2008. It will be very interesting to see Apple releasing new product update based on Montevina platform any day now...

what?? 15.6?? its now with 15.4" why whould they ad 0.2 more to the screen? same for the 17"

[HFU]

what?? 15.6?? its now with 15.4" why whould they ad 0.2 more to the screen? same for the 17"The current MBP, MB, MBA are using 16:10 with resolution of 1920x1200, 1680x1050, 1440x900, 1280x800 respectively. The LCD industry is pushing for 16:9 aspect ratio which will make future notebook model more inline with HDTV, so it will likely be 1920x1080, 1680x945, 1440x810, 1280x720 resolutions.

Currently these major LCD panel suppliers such as Taiwan-based AUO, Chi Mei Optoelectronics (CMO), and Chunghwa Picture Tubes (CPT) and Korea-based LG. Korea-based Samsung will also start to supply 15.6" panels in the second half of this year.

[godzillinois]

Hi, new guy here. Been reading about these rumors of a new MBP since early May now. I'm getting tired of waiting, any new news yet? I want to get a 15” 2.4Ghz MBP for deejaying, recording and art purposes within the next couple of weeks, should I wait longer? What’s the earliest date that the new Macbook Pros are gonna come out?

[CWallace]

Magic eight ball continues to point to August/September/October.

[Bubba Satori]

Magic eight ball continues to point to August/September/October.

I'm leaning towards late August. Lot of PC makers are announcing their Montevina laptops.

[spook2517]

I'm leaning towards late August. Lot of PC makers are announcing their Montevina laptops.

Most speculation has pointed to late Aug., is this due to watching past Apple dealings? I don't see why Apple wouldn't release these units asap due to back to school. The back to school shopping season is second only to the holidays. To me it seems that Apple would be missing out on a lot of sales. Yea, Apple products sell themselves, but why buy a MB or MBP when the competitor offers the latest and greatest? Shouldn't Apple already be testing the new Intel platform? I am not trying to clog up this forum with asinine questions, just curious about Apple. I haven't really been part of the Mac community for long.

[Eidorian]

I'm leaning towards late August. Lot of PC makers are announcing their Montevina laptops.November 1st, 2008. :cool:

[Bubba Satori]

November 1st, 2008. :cool:

If that's correct, then it will be aboot 2-3 months after all the PC Montevinas are already available 'cause it looks like from their launch announcements like the PCMs will be shipping in August.

[marbles]

Here is what I have decided on:

I will wait until June 17. If there is no word on a MBP update/refresh, I will get it then. While I don't have a problem waiting until September for a new MBP, my 1st generation Macbook screen has failed to work now and I have been w/o a laptop for almost four months. I will get my baseline MBP and love every minute of it.

Honestly, knowing that my wait will be soon over is worth it. The more and more I look into it, a refresh won't add that much to it. Yeah, the major update next year will be a nice boost, but I need my MBP for college.

Let the 2 Week Countdown begin.


So did you order it then ?
Just curios to see if someone actually bought one with all the increasing talk/evidence of new release soon.

[SchneiderMan]

So did you order it then ?
Just curios to see if someone actually bought one with all the increasing talk/evidence of new release soon.

i will not buy one now :D

[g00k]

so guys... i wont see u for the next year...
i just placed my order for my mpb 15"+free ipod touch
i have everything i need... iphone, mpb and i will sell my ipod touch
i wont read any rumors cause it would just disappoint me :D

[CWallace]

Just curious to see if someone actually bought one with all the increasing talk/evidence of new release soon.

I bought one the first weekend in June because I can't wait until later this year.

[g00k]

its just talk... and i get an ipod touch for free u wont ...
and i am soo happy that i bought my iphone and didnt wait for the 3g ****** one

[SchneiderMan]

for now im waiting for a new mbp to come soon, im on pc still and really want a mac already so what i did today is i got a awesome apple keyboard lol just to compensate for now (: its helping me on the wait :D

just so i can have a little piece of apple for the wait :D

[godzillinois]

Sooo any new rumors or confirmations at least of WHAT kind of update we could be expecting? 2.8Ghz? New look/casing? All of the above? Just want to know what I'm missing out on since I can't wait any longer and will be buying a MBP within the week...

[ManWithhat]

Sooo any new rumors or confirmations at least of WHAT kind of update we could be expecting? 2.8Ghz? New look/casing? All of the above? Just want to know what I'm missing out on since I can't wait any longer and will be buying a MBP within the week...

2.8 gHz top end, yes. Redesign (according to AppleInsider), FSB increase, and POSSIBLY an upgrade to the integrated graphics:

from wikipedia:
*Intel is aiming this solution to be 3x faster than the GMA 3100.
*The X4500 was scheduled to be released in Q2 2008, but has been delayed until July 14, 2008.

[godzillinois]

well...crap...I just bought my MacBook Pro last night from Best Buy. Any idea what the $1999 level MacBook Pro upgrade is gonna look like?

[Tex-Twil]

Any idea what the $1999 level MacBook Pro upgrade is gonna look like?
No. Nobody knows.

[godzillinois]

What I meant was, if the high end MB Pro is gonna be 2.8Ghz, what can we expect/assume the processor for the low end Macbook Pro will be?

[SchneiderMan]

What I meant was, if the high end MB Pro is gonna be 2.8Ghz, what can we expect/assume the processor for the low end Macbook Pro will be?

i say 2.5 or still 2.4

[godzillinois]

That makes me feel a bit better, anyone else concur with this?

[Tallest Skil]

Any idea what the $1999 level MacBook Pro upgrade is gonna look like?

Exactly the same. I'd say a small processor boost with a leagues better GPU and bigger HDD.

[cg165]

Sooo any new rumors or confirmations at least of WHAT kind of update we could be expecting? 2.8Ghz? New look/casing? All of the above? Just want to know what I'm missing out on since I can't wait any longer and will be buying a MBP within the week...

Check out my post on this page, or read this thread:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=87836

[.Chris]

I just hope it will be a frvamp/frfresh. the current design needs an update bad

[.Chris]

well...crap...I just bought my MacBook Pro last night from Best Buy. Any idea what the $1999 level MacBook Pro upgrade is gonna look like?

may be like the air, just around an inch thick and more ports. in black and sliver. keyboard will be backlit. if you chose a black pro, you'll get a sliver keyboard, you chose a sliver pro you get a black keyboard

these are just my thoughts

[.Chris]

Exactly the same. I'd say a small processor boost with a leagues better GPU and bigger HDD.

dobut it. I'm felling a refresh and keynote to go along with it..... but this will happen the first or second week of september... just in time for back to school and even an early start of the holiday shopping season.

remember its in need of a refresh not just a pe4formance boast

[Digital Skunk]

the current design needs an update bad

Only if the new design give it the same hardware as THIS! (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_studio_17?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&ST=dell%20studio%2017%22&dgc=ST&cid=32570&lid=754954)

Other than that and it might as well be the same.

[SchneiderMan]

Only if the new design give it the same hardware as THIS! (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_studio_17?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&ST=dell%20studio%2017%22&dgc=ST&cid=32570&lid=754954)

Other than that and it might as well be the same.

oh baby it has blu-ray

[cg165]

oh baby it has blu-ray

While blu-ray is a nice idea for a laptop, I don't see it happening. Well, I guess I don't see a reason for it yet. It would be great to watch blu-ray movies and all, but on a 15" screen I'm assuming the difference between blu-ray and dvd wouldn't be all that great. Mostly I would want blu-ray for a blu-ray writer, but it's still too slow at this point and the blank discs are too expensive. I'm not saying I would mind if they added it at no additional cost though :D

[Digital Skunk]

oh baby it has blu-ray

blu-ray, dual HDDs, and more space to put stuff. Apple could take out some of those USB ports, add HDMI instead of DVI and make room for eSata and another FW800 port. :D

Not mention WiMax and other various flavors of 3G connectivity.

[spook2517]

Apple wants to get this platform out asap. As I have said before, back to school time is a huge sales time for retailers. Don't expect a major update, maybe this will happen in 2009. Plus companies like Apple have access to the platform already. They won't get it on July 14th and ask now what? They have already been working on a redesign. Maybe it takes a week or two to run some test, but expect updates at least by early Aug. I don't have inside info, but I do know that Apple as a company is not stupid and would not risk losing sales because they have want to wait for a complete redesign. Be logical and think like a company that rakes in millions upon millions of $$$.

[Eidorian]

Only if the new design give it the same hardware as THIS! (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_studio_17?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&ST=dell%20studio%2017%22&dgc=ST&cid=32570&lid=754954)

Other than that and it might as well be the same.Picture from Notebook Review. The entire bottom comes off...

[Digital Skunk]

Picture from Notebook Review. The entire bottom comes off...

Entire bottom comes off as in it's not a flaw? As in they did that on purpose? As in they intended that to be a features so people could install RAM and HDDs and so forth easily?

If so then WOW! You miss a lot of possibilities when messing around with Apple. I'd take a machine that is a half inch thicker to be able to stick in two HDDs and have the bottom case come off for easy access.

That is the only thing that a redesign is needed for. All the cosmetic/Mac Book Air look-a-like stuff can take a back seat.

[marbles]

Entire bottom comes off as in it's not a flaw? As in they did that on purpose? As in they intended that to be a features so people could install RAM and HDDs and so forth easily?

If so then WOW! You miss a lot of possibilities when messing around with Apple. I'd take a machine that is a half inch thicker to be able to stick in two HDDs and have the bottom case come off for easy access.

That is the only thing that a redesign is needed for. All the cosmetic/Mac Book Air look-a-like stuff can take a back seat.


All the Macbook Air stuff can stay on the MBA for me , give us a nice solid lappy eh Apple

[Tallest Skil]

dobut it. I'm felling a refresh and keynote to go along with it..... but this will happen the first or second week of september... just in time for back to school and even an early start of the holiday shopping season.

remember its in need of a refresh not just a pe4formance boast

I'm doubting a case refresh. It's not in need of one. And words with numbers usually follow phonemes. In this case, per4mance. ;)

[Eidorian]

Entire bottom comes off as in it's not a flaw? As in they did that on purpose? As in they intended that to be a features so people could install RAM and HDDs and so forth easily?

If so then WOW! You miss a lot of possibilities when messing around with Apple. I'd take a machine that is a half inch thicker to be able to stick in two HDDs and have the bottom case come off for easy access.

That is the only thing that a redesign is needed for. All the cosmetic/Mac Book Air look-a-like stuff can take a back seat.It looks like the entire bottom comes off just to install the RAM. It doesn't mean you can't add anything else though. :rolleyes:

[localoid]

Rather than dinking around inside a notebook in order to "upgrade" its stock parts why not simply buy a bare bones notebook (http://www.directron.com/coreduobb.html) and install the innards of your choice?

Personally, not having OS X is the deal-breaker...

[marbles]

Personally, not having OS X is the deal-breaker...

yep , you me & 85% of Mac users I imagine :D:apple:

[spook2517]

All the Macbook Air stuff can stay on the MBA for me , give us a nice solid lappy eh Apple

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner. I got a MBP for performance, not to look cool and have the thinnest laptop ever. I would much rather have a solid notebook that can perform.

[marbles]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner. I got a MBP for performance, not to look cool and have the thinnest laptop ever. I would much rather have a solid notebook that can perform.


check my sig ;)

[ManWithhat]

I just hope if there's a redesign, that it doesn't match the look of the MBA. I just don't like the metal-ish look. Give me a solid color, Apple!

[DiamondMac]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner. I got a MBP for performance, not to look cool and have the thinnest laptop ever. I would much rather have a solid notebook that can perform.

Amen. I will take great performance over a design flaw anyday

Not even a design flaw...that comes off harsh but just a design part I am not that insane happy about? Better? :cool:

[Deis'Hawaii]

I wanna see them incorporated into the new macs by July 20th!

[idyll]

Oh boy, new Apple laptops?? Can't wait to see this!

[NintendoChick]

The question is, will they be incourporated before the ipod pormo ends in September? I hope so, Then, I will hold off until the Macbooks are updated instead of getting one on my birthday (July 14th, how ironic...)

[NintendoChick]

I just hope if there's a redesign, that it doesn't match the look of the MBA. I just don't like the metal-ish look. Give me a solid color, Apple!

I agree with you. I don't think all of the laptops should look the same. I like the plastic! (personal prefrence. feel free to disregard)

[ManWithhat]

It doesn't have to be plastic . . even colored aluminium or metal would be fine. I just don't like the greyish 'blehness'.

[marbles]

I agree with you. I don't think all of the laptops should look the same. I like the plastic!
Plastic , metal........ personally I'm not that fussed as long as the new ones don't chip, crack, warp , dent or generally fall apart within 6 months .

(personal prefrence. feel free to disregard)

Off topic a little but why do folks write this? , I've seen this before ............ please stand by your personal preferences dang nammit :)

[kaiwai]

Plastic , metal........ personally I'm not that fussed as long as the new ones don't chip, crack, warp , dent or generally fall apart within 6 months .

I had my laptop for over 6 months before it got nicked - and there wasn't a single scratch, bump or warp. I routinely took it back and forth from study - so it wasn't sitting on my desk the whole day.

Hence, the confusion I have over people who claim 'terrible reliability' and yet treat their thousand dollar purchase like a rugby ball. I'm sorry, but having spent my own hard earn money on this laptop, I treat it nicely and I've yet to have a problem.

[tgildred]

Plastic , metal........ personally I'm not that fussed as long as the new ones don't chip, crack, warp , dent or generally fall apart within 6 months .



Off topic a little but why do folks write this? , I've seen this before ............ please stand by your personal preferences dang nammit :)

Because anyone who stands by their personal preference gets flaaammmmed. :D

I'm really hoping for a solid update either way (a redesign would be nice, but not entirely necessary). I'm counting the days! I don't want to be the last one to the Intel party.

(Personal preference. Feel free to disregard.) ;)

[CWallace]

Intel is going to be constrained in supplying the 45nm Penryns needed for Montevina due to a lack of fabrication capacity (they only have one fab online instead of the planned two). Member Bubba Satori noted in another thread that Toshiba is delaying Montevina laptops until September... Since most of Apple's line uses the mobile chips, they could see a delay, as well...

[marbles]

Intel is going to be constrained in supplying the 45nm Penryns needed for Montevina due to a lack of fabrication capacity (they only have one fab online instead of the planned two). Member Bubba Satori noted in another thread that Toshiba is delaying Montevina laptops until September... Since most of Apple's line uses the mobile chips, they could see a delay, as well...
I'm not so sure , I mean Apple got the chips early for the recent iMac bumps Apple 7 intel seem best buddies just now so.









..... btw I'm clutching at straws

[Apple Ink]

The way Ottelini said "We're (Intel and Apple) doing some thing great and we share a great relationship....", I wont be surprised if SJ comes out with them tomorrow!

[kaiwai]

Intel is going to be constrained in supplying the 45nm Penryns needed for Montevina due to a lack of fabrication capacity (they only have one fab online instead of the planned two). Member Bubba Satori noted in another thread that Toshiba is delaying Montevina laptops until September... Since most of Apple's line uses the mobile chips, they could see a delay, as well...

I'm not so sure , I mean Apple got the chips early for the recent iMac bumps Apple 7 intel seem best buddies just now so...... btw I'm clutching at straws

hmm, depends on what the delays are related to. From what I understand, they were relating to the integrated graphics; considering that Toshiba is dependent on Intel for drivers (since Toshiba don't write drivers) - the delay could be due to problems at Intel's driver writing end. With that being said, however, it'll be interesting to see how Apple is coming along. From what I've looked at, the upgrade is hardly compelling enough to rush out an update.

People also ignore that the increase in the FSB comes at a price of power, memory isn't available in that speed, regarding the power, given the FSB can scale to save power, don't expect to see constant 'high throughput'.

Personally, the big stuff will be in the release afterwards which has the next processor with Quickpath and integrated memory controller.

[marbles]

The way Ottelini said "We're (Intel and Apple) doing some thing great and we share a great relationship....", I wont be surprised if SJ comes out with them tomorrow!

nah , it's not a Tuesday :p

[Apple Ink]

nah , it's not a Tuesday :p

LOL!

[Tallest Skil]

I wanna see them incorporated into the new macs by July 20th!

Not happening, as much as I need it to happen. I'm NOT buying in Ireland...

[marbles]

I had my laptop for over 6 months before it got nicked - and there wasn't a single scratch, bump or warp. I routinely took it back and forth from study - so it wasn't sitting on my desk the whole day.

Hence, the confusion I have over people who claim 'terrible reliability' and yet treat their thousand dollar purchase like a rugby ball. I'm sorry, but having spent my own hard earn money on this laptop, I treat it nicely and I've yet to have a problem.

I have to say that I respect my stuff also , I mean why pay lots of money out to treat something badly??


Thing is I've read many posts both on here & Apple discussions about the 'quality ' of the Macbook shell , all from people who have babied the machine.
Personally I feel it must be down to Apples quality control not being up to par , either that or a lot of folk just bash Apple , I really don't know but it does seem that the case has some problems what with the so called cracking going on
:confused:
:apple:

[CWallace]

I'm not so sure , I mean Apple got the chips early for the recent iMac bumps. Apple & intel seem best buddies just now so.

The problem is Apple, while a smallish customer for Intel, still needs around ten million CPUs a year based on their current sales trends. With only one fabrication plant, and many larger customers needing even more CPUs (as well as smaller customers then Apple who have had longer relationships with Intel), Intel has to ration out the parts.

[diamond.g]

The problem is Apple, while a smallish OEM for Intel, still needs around ten million CPUs a year based on their current sales trends. With only one fabrication plant, and many larger OEMs needing even more CPUs, Intel has to ration out the parts.

Are the CPU's changing as well? I thought it was just eh NB/SB chipset.

[CWallace]

Are the CPU's changing as well? I thought it was just eh NB/SB chipset.

The Montevina platform uses CPUs based on the current 45nm Penryn architecture. However, Intel is likely to continue to offer existing models in addition to the new ones, even though they overlap in speed, for a time to fulfill outstanding orders.

[Standard]

The Montevina platform uses CPUs based on the current 45nm Penryn architecture. However, Intel is likely to continue to offer existing models in addition to the new ones, even though they overlap in speed, for a time to fulfill outstanding orders.

So we will not be seeing any GPU updates?

[Tallest Skil]

So we will not be seeing any GPU updates?

They wouldn't sell any if they didn't. Seriously. The 8600GT is woefully outdated for a pro notebook.

I'm thinking 9600 or 9700 and some suffix.

[diamond.g]

They wouldn't sell any if they didn't. Seriously. The 8600GT is woefully outdated for a pro notebook.

I'm thinking 9600 or 9700 and some suffix.

Or move back to ATI with the "will come out eventually" Mobility 4800 series.

[Tallest Skil]

Or move back to ATI with the "will come out eventually" Mobility 4800 series.

Yes, or that, exactly. They may be switching between the two for every update or so. The first two MacBook Pros had x1600s while we've had an 8600 GT since then.

Hey, they switch for the Mac Pros. It all comes down to who has the best processor for Apple's self-imposed power draw limits.

[collegedu3]

I had my laptop for over 6 months before it got nicked - and there wasn't a single scratch, bump or warp. I routinely took it back and forth from study - so it wasn't sitting on my desk the whole day.

Hence, the confusion I have over people who claim 'terrible reliability' and yet treat their thousand dollar purchase like a rugby ball. I'm sorry, but having spent my own hard earn money on this laptop, I treat it nicely and I've yet to have a problem.

Hey, wait a minute. I had my white macbook (not the same as the aluminum macbook pro, clearly), and I treated it with great respect. I kept it in my backpack in a padded case when I brought it somewhere; I never dropped it. Nonetheless, the sides of the macbook have chipped off due to what I believe to be a faulty design. I support my anecdotal story with the similar experiences of my friends.

Just because you treat your MBP well and nothing has happened to it, doesn't mean that everyone else has had the same experience.

[NintendoChick]

Plastic , metal........ personally I'm not that fussed as long as the new ones don't chip, crack, warp , dent or generally fall apart within 6 months .

Agreed. The Idea of colored aluminium sounded appealing as well. Is that an option? It would certainly be different... Oh! BLACK!



Off topic a little but why do folks write this? , I've seen this before ............ please stand by your personal preferences dang nammit :)


haha, I do stand by my preferences, I Just don't want to argue about them, or make anyone feel Like I'm trying to force my own beliefs onto them ;)

[swingerofbirch]

Did anyone else notice today is July 14? ;)

[Tex-Twil]

Did anyone else notice today is July 14? ;)
of course :) I'm refreshing my browser on the macrumors to see if anything will show up. But nothing till now :(

[Tallest Skil]

of course :) I'm refreshing my browser on the macrumors to see if anything will show up. But nothing till now :(

Why would anything show up? It's Monday.

No, they won't be releasing them tomorrow, either.

[Tex-Twil]

Why would anything show up? It's Monday.

No, they won't be releasing them tomorrow, either.
I know. I' just waiting for news about the Intel release and how the other PC manufactures react. Sony Vaio for example is claiming to release new laptops today.

Tex.

[Tallest Skil]

Sony Vaio for example is claiming to release new laptops today.

And they more than likely will. Apple doesn't care about the professional crowd. We won't see Montevina for a long time.

[marbles]

It's just got to be tomorrow , hasn't it ? ....my life is being run by Tuesdays at the mo' :o

[niceguyeddie]

And they more than likely will. Apple doesn't care about the professional crowd.

Who is the Macbook Pro aimed at then? :)

[Tallest Skil]

Who is the Macbook Pro aimed at then? :)

Let me rephrase that: Apple doesn't care enough about us to give us frequent updates.

[CWallace]

Toshiba has noted they will not be releasing new models until September - I am guessing due to lack of product from Intel.

[niceguyeddie]

Let me rephrase that: Apple doesn't care enough about us to give us frequent updates.

Well I hope they update the macbook pro sharpish, like in the next month, cause I am dying to pull the trigger and make a switch from the PC.

I don't understand why Apple are so secretive about the expected updates. Can it really hurt their sales that much if they let us know when the new model is expected??

[swingerofbirch]

Well I hope they update the macbook pro sharpish, like in the next month, cause I am dying to pull the trigger and make a switch from the PC.

I don't understand why Apple are so secretive about the expected updates. Can it really hurt their sales that much if they let us know when the new model is expected??

Apple wants its Macs to appear non-techy (to some extent). They want the image that what they have available right now is the perfect top to bottom solution for consumers. They're in the business of selling the computers that they currently have for sale. And the ones they have now lose perceived value if Apple says that something better is coming out. Most Apple customers don't know about Intel's roadmaps, etc.

[lukechip]

I know. I' just waiting for news about the Intel release and how the other PC manufactures react. Sony Vaio for example is claiming to release new laptops today.

Tex.

Me too. I would have thought Intel would be putting on some sort of song and dance show about their new kit.

But nothing seems to be happening.....

Also, www.anandtech.com is silent on the subject, which makes me wonder if anything is going to happen today from Intel.

[Erkinshadow]

found some Montevina stuff here
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/processors/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=209000079

[SchneiderMan]

Well I hope they update the macbook pro sharpish, like in the next month, cause I am dying to pull the trigger and make a switch from the PC.

I don't understand why Apple are so secretive about the expected updates. Can it really hurt their sales that much if they let us know when the new model is expected??

me too, because then alot of people will wait and not buy the current ones.

[DiamondMac]

Let me rephrase that: Apple doesn't care enough about us to give us frequent updates.

Apple has a secret conspiracy going on I bet :p