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Apple Notifying Aperture Users of Impending Removal From Mac App Store
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Sorry, I was mistaken. Those functions are in Photos, I just hadn't discovered how to find them.
I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of aperture support..but I guess I'll try out Lightroom now and see which one I like best. I'm not a fan of cloud based photo services, especially with all of the whole leaked celebrity photos from last year 
Translation: "Aperture is being replaced with Aperture Lite."
PSA: A new version of Lightroom is right around the corner. Anyone feeling the need to switch from Aperture might want to download the trial version of Lr 5 until the announcement for Lr 6 is official.
PSA: A new version of Lightroom is right around the corner. Anyone feeling the need to switch from Aperture might want to download the trial version of Lr 5 until the announcement for Lr 6 is official.
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Sorry but this is simply not true. Apple pays no attention to that site.
As one example, I've tried to report bugs with the new Calendar app here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/ical.html Sadly, that page still references iCal and the latest version you can report bugs for is 4.04, which was released with Snow Leopard (10.6) five years ago, four full versions back from the Calendar app that comes with Yosemite.
I stand by what I said. If it's not available then find what works for you. Is that so hard for you to understand? Apple made their decision, so you can sit here and argue (which changes nothing) or find the software that you need. Or if necessary switch platforms and use the software that works.
I'm not saying that anyone here shouldn't be frustrated over Apple's decision, but all this forum does constantly is complain rather than search for a solution.
If iPhoto was all you needed, Photos might be a decent replacement. If you were a serious Aperture user with a large library, especially a referenced library, and used plugins.....don't waste your time looking at Photos.
Move on to Lightroom or Capture One as your new DAM.
Move on to Lightroom or Capture One as your new DAM.
Any adjustment tool. Again, image edit data is stored as the numeric results of the edit, not as the settings of a particular tool. To greatly, greatly over-simplify, if an edit changes the brightness of a particular pixel by +2, then the result of the edit would be saved as the equivalent of, "(pixel address) +2." It wouldn't matter what tool was used to make that change, the change in the end comes down to a specific number that would be added to or subtracted from one or more of the original pixel's parameters (a color adjustment might be +23 Red, -109 Blue, 0 Green).
Clearly, storing edit data on a pixel-by-pixel basis would be highly inefficient. So a Highlights adjustment may generate an instruction equivalent to, "Adjust the value of all pixels brighter than X by -Y." The same adjustment made with a brush would include a "mask" - a description of the boundaries of the area to be edited, like a series of map coordinates. It might look like this, "Adjust the value of all pixels within the area (boundary list) that are brighter than X by -Y."
So long as the Photos render engine (the program that generates the final image) interprets those instructions in the same way as the render engines in iPhoto and Aperture (and it does), then you will get the same results.
that's what the audio/video people thought and now look, a LOT of those features are back. So yes, there's hope.
Signed?
If and when Apple stops "signing" Aperture, will we no longer be able to install it in the not-too-distant future?
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Please be specific and share your expertise. You can save people a lot of time and wallet-ache. Presume we all shoot RAW and want to work in ProRGB.
If and when Apple stops "signing" Aperture, will we no longer be able to install it in the not-too-distant future?
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Please be specific and share your expertise. You can save people a lot of time and wallet-ache. Presume we all shoot RAW and want to work in ProRGB.
Lightroom Acclimation & Cloud Avoidance
I too hated Lightroom 3 when I first got it. I hated it so much that I thought, "Hey, maybe paying for the LR4 upgrade will fix everything..." -so I upgraded, though it didn't change the workflow. I basically stopped upgrading and forced myself to work within Lightroom's scope. I didn't want to roll the dice with the full version of Capture One and DXO was too expensive at the time. YMMV.
I wouldn't store anything on the cloud (any cloud) except edited copies of things you want to share. Print the -really important stuff- on the best 8"x10" archival-grade paper you can afford (mPix.com does a great job.) -and keep these hard copies in a museum box.
ABK- Always Be Keywording!
I too hated Lightroom 3 when I first got it. I hated it so much that I thought, "Hey, maybe paying for the LR4 upgrade will fix everything..."
-so I upgraded, though it didn't change the workflow. I basically stopped upgrading and forced myself to work within Lightroom's scope. I didn't want to roll the dice with the full version of Capture One and DXO was too expensive at the time. YMMV.I wouldn't store anything on the cloud (any cloud) except edited copies of things you want to share. Print the -really important stuff- on the best 8"x10" archival-grade paper you can afford (mPix.com does a great job.) -and keep these hard copies in a museum box.
ABK- Always Be Keywording!
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Don't understand the dislikes with Lightroom. I jumped from Aperture 2 to LR3 and haven't looked back. As an photography enthusiast, LR is everything that I need it for. Like everything else in life, change is hard. We whine when we are forced to change and have to re-learn things. No different than switching from Win to Mac or vice versa.
I'm not sure where you get this idea; a signed application can't suddenly lose its signature. If you mean the certificate used to create that signature, then Apple would have to revoke it for all apps currently signed with it (or allow it to expire), but that doesn't prevent the app from being used anyway, as you can configure Gatekeeper to accept unsigned apps (or simply right-click and choose "open" first time you use them). Plus it has no impact on apps you've already installed.If and when Apple stops "signing" Aperture, will we no longer be able to install it in the not-too-distant future?
I don't think that clinging onto Aperture indefinitely is going to work long term; however, if enough users petition Apple for missing features to be added to Photos then by the time they are forced to switch it might be a true replacement. Photos seems to have a decent customisable interface for adding the information and tools you want, so it may be modular enough that re-adding Aperture specific features won't be too difficult (just a matter of time/demand).
Wait wait...
To be clear, I have adapted to the Lightroom workflow and have good media-ingest practices including keywording on import. I always use Lightroom 4.4 and CS6 -now that I'm shooting Canon RAW. It was just a strange leap coming from the Olympus E510/DNG Converter/Bridge/Photoshop workflow. I can't imagine using anything else now. The utility of the application is what's important to me, because I want to get out and shoot more than I want to learn a new program untested by me.
"Hatin' on Adobe..." is popular (and I'm no fan of software rental) but Adobe makes some really great products. That being said, if I were shooting with a Leaf back or a Hasselblad , then I'd use Capture One or Phocus for developing those immense RAW images, and only if Lightroom choked on those formats.
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To be clear, I have adapted to the Lightroom workflow and have good media-ingest practices including keywording on import. I always use Lightroom 4.4 and CS6 -now that I'm shooting Canon RAW. It was just a strange leap coming from the Olympus E510/DNG Converter/Bridge/Photoshop workflow. I can't imagine using anything else now. The utility of the application is what's important to me, because I want to get out and shoot more than I want to learn a new program untested by me."Hatin' on Adobe..." is popular (and I'm no fan of software rental) but Adobe makes some really great products. That being said, if I were shooting with a Leaf back or a Hasselblad , then I'd use Capture One or Phocus for developing those immense RAW images, and only if Lightroom choked on those formats.
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I'm not sure where you get this idea; a signed application can't suddenly lose its signature. If you mean the certificate used to create that signature, then Apple would have to revoke it for all apps currently signed with it (or allow it to expire), but that doesn't prevent the app from being used anyway, as you can configure Gatekeeper to accept unsigned apps (or simply right-click and choose "open" first time you use them). Plus it has no impact on apps you've already installed.
Yes, thanks. I know about Gatekeeper, so this isn't like Apple no longer signing iOS7.1.2? Make sure you have the fullinstaller package.
No. The FCPX situation was totally different. FCPX was powerful even in the first version, but missing some features - Photos is a castrated piece of **** that is targeted at iPhone photos...
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The dislike comes from the ****** workflow - Modes are the sickest way to implement ui interaction. LR is powerful but this separate modules drive me insane.
Can't quite understand the mindset of some of the people on here who, on hearing Apple announcing they are no longer supporting Aperture in May, immediately act like a switch has gone off in their brains
. start acting like lemmings and decide it is time to jump ship from a programme they have loved and used for years - a professional tool that is still relevant and to some, essential to their business.
Wake up you automatons - just because Apple says "Jump" doesn't mean you should jump to something different nor should it mean you shouldn't look before you leap.
If it's a good tool - keep it in your toolbox as long as possible - until it is superceded by something markedly better that is firstly worth the switch - and worth the effort and steep learning curve and disruption to your workflow that the switch inevitable entails.
It's quite clear Apple no longer values professional tools in it's toolbox - and is constantly tinkering to damage the workflow of professional + serious amateur users in music and photography industries using their computers (Yosemite+Mavericks take a bow - no appreciable improvement in performance that made the disruption worth all the hassle).
If they want to be reduced to just being a gimmicky 'toy' manufacturer - the new Apple Watch clearly confirms that intent - then so be it .. but it doesn't mean the rest of us should follow them down THAT cul-de-sac.
And chuck away what has - and more importantly - still IS a very important tool in the professional photographers' toolbox.
So let's not hear any more "defeatist" talk of "I'm jumping to this" .. "I'm jumping to that" - that's just what Apple wants you to do .. being forever jittering from one new fad to another.
. No point interrupting your workflow.
Stick with and be LOYAL to Aperture . if that means not upgrading/updating when Apple offer pathetic sometimes retro active 'improvements' to the platform .. just say NO if someone offers you bad drugs that will scramble your brain .. you just say NO right?
If it means running an older OS to give you more tool options .. do it and don't be scared by threats like ..
1) It won't be compatible with XYZ. .. consider .. do you really need XYZ - if so, is there or will there shortly be an alternative 'fix' to compatibility. Independent programmers are constantly creating ways to make your device more flexible .. despite the concerted efforts of Apple.
2) You won't get security update support. there are many, even free, probably better alternatives to your computer's security than Apple Support.
3) I don't want to get left behind with new developments. when Apple comes up with a significantly advantageous new development for the professional user (don't hold your breath) . then THAT is the time to 'jump' .. but maybe more from surprise these days!
So Support Aperture for as long as it is relevant to your work - and who knows - maybe someone at Apple might realise where the market is shifting and become serious about serving the needs of the professional user again.
And don't forget to keep and dust off your older devices running earlier OS that give you more user flexibility.
And as I mentioned in another post .. support Snow Leopard Appreciation Society Hub (SLASH) .. and piss on Yosemite/Mavericks users performance-wise.
Wake up you automatons - just because Apple says "Jump" doesn't mean you should jump to something different nor should it mean you shouldn't look before you leap.
If it's a good tool - keep it in your toolbox as long as possible - until it is superceded by something markedly better that is firstly worth the switch - and worth the effort and steep learning curve and disruption to your workflow that the switch inevitable entails.
It's quite clear Apple no longer values professional tools in it's toolbox - and is constantly tinkering to damage the workflow of professional + serious amateur users in music and photography industries using their computers (Yosemite+Mavericks take a bow - no appreciable improvement in performance that made the disruption worth all the hassle).
If they want to be reduced to just being a gimmicky 'toy' manufacturer - the new Apple Watch clearly confirms that intent - then so be it .. but it doesn't mean the rest of us should follow them down THAT cul-de-sac.
And chuck away what has - and more importantly - still IS a very important tool in the professional photographers' toolbox.
So let's not hear any more "defeatist" talk of "I'm jumping to this" .. "I'm jumping to that" - that's just what Apple wants you to do .. being forever jittering from one new fad to another.
. No point interrupting your workflow.
Stick with and be LOYAL to Aperture . if that means not upgrading/updating when Apple offer pathetic sometimes retro active 'improvements' to the platform .. just say NO if someone offers you bad drugs that will scramble your brain .. you just say NO right?
If it means running an older OS to give you more tool options .. do it and don't be scared by threats like ..
1) It won't be compatible with XYZ. .. consider .. do you really need XYZ - if so, is there or will there shortly be an alternative 'fix' to compatibility. Independent programmers are constantly creating ways to make your device more flexible .. despite the concerted efforts of Apple.
2) You won't get security update support. there are many, even free, probably better alternatives to your computer's security than Apple Support.
3) I don't want to get left behind with new developments. when Apple comes up with a significantly advantageous new development for the professional user (don't hold your breath) . then THAT is the time to 'jump' .. but maybe more from surprise these days!
So Support Aperture for as long as it is relevant to your work - and who knows - maybe someone at Apple might realise where the market is shifting and become serious about serving the needs of the professional user again.
And don't forget to keep and dust off your older devices running earlier OS that give you more user flexibility.
And as I mentioned in another post .. support Snow Leopard Appreciation Society Hub (SLASH) .. and piss on Yosemite/Mavericks users performance-wise.
Aperture has been on slow cooking for years - The Photos beta was just the final nail ending any remaining trust in it.
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To each their own. I completely disagree. I used Aperture for years before switching to Lightroom in 2012 and I've never looked back. Aperture has no place in a professional workflow.
As for 4k support in Capture One, version 8.2 will be released soon with enhanced 4k support. The beta became available to Phase One Certified Professionals a few days ago.
Hey I have been a pro for 10 years and love Aperture. It works fine. I have shot global campaigns for large wine companies all tethered to Aperture no problem.
The main thing I wish it had was a server version so multiple people could hook into the one library at once. e.g. in our studio I might do a selection, then I have to get out of the library and the creative director will open it up and refine the selection. Then I will get back in and generate contact sheets for the clients. Then I will work with a retoucher to get the files all processed as far as possible. Then they take over and edit in photoshop etc before the files are used in layouts in indesign. I guess that I am lucky in that sense that when I do professional work, I only have to worry about taking images, the end result is handled by other people.
Great to know about 8.2 Capture One. Can't wait for that!
Really?
You never know when you'll have to crack open an old vault or something in a data recovery scenario.
Except that the next camera you buy won't be supported in Aperture. Why put work into a dead-end solution when you know that you have to switch eventually (and possibly have to convert all your old work).