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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:48 AM   #1
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So apparently Lion sucks?

This is what I've been reading

Tell me this isnt true!
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:51 AM   #2
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Depends on who you read

Why not try it yourself when it comes out and form your own opinion?
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:51 AM   #3
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It's not true.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:02 PM   #4
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It's true.
it sucks. Chickens' blood.

Anyway, I think it is odd, that 31 of your 46 posts to date are thread creations, many of them wastelanded.

Maybe it is just another of them.
We'll see where this goes.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:05 PM   #5
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Absolutely, positively, 101%, completely, totally, fully etc. not true.

Lion is good putty cat

The intent behind the new OS is superb. The system provides faster operation, snappier movement and execution, and is a step in a right direction.

Of course it requires some adaptation on the part of the user, maybe letting go of some ways of doing things, but all in all is a good OS..

I have been critical of certain areas, and remain so, but the critique is a matter of luxury. I will not repeat the critique as it based on my personal ways of doing things, which are not objective. It has areas for improvement (of course, everything does), but that is for the future versions to address, as I am sure they will (again, a personal view).

For a majority, I think, the new OS will deliver an improvement on what was there already.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:05 PM   #6
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This is partially true and partially false. Many of the new APIs and features are a godsend to developers and users, but some features are superfluous and don't work well in a desktop environment. As one poster mentioned above, it depends on what you like and don't like. I suggest that when you get Lion, you install it on a separate partition, and if you really like it, upgrade your existing Snow Leopard installation and wipe off that test "Lion" partition.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:44 PM   #7
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It depends on a couple of things. First one is wether or not you attempt to run it with 2GB of RAM. If you do, you may be asking for a headache... it doesn't run smoothly at all on a 2GB system. Upgrading to 4GB is quite cheap and if you do that, it will take off.

The other thing is wether or not you're OK with iPad-esque features. Personally, I'm ok with most of them: Mail is fabulous, Launchpad is a great and useful idea (although it still needs work and customization options) and iCal despite the GUI which so many people hate but which for me is completely irrelevant, as the app itself is VERY GOOD.

Other than that, after a couple hours run, Lion is incredibly fast to open everything. Most apps only bounce once before launching.

I believe that by 10.7.1 it will be a redefining OS. ".0" is just good enough to avoid Apple a lot of headaches. I did think it would be Apple's Vista, but it's just too stable and fast for that. The user experience is quite simple and intuitive and also, it doesn't throw security questions in your screen every 2 mins like Vista did.

The only other thing I think still needs work is the animations' fluidity. Sometimes many of them are quite choppy.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:46 PM   #8
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Lion isn't that bad when you reconfigure the Gesture changes and turn Dashboard back into the way it always worked. Too bad none of my paid applications currently work under Lion though.

Natural scrolling is unnatural to me after a decade plus of the way its been implemented.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:54 PM   #9
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It's true. It's pretty much Apple's Vista. I'm just waiting until I have some time to go back to SL.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:59 PM   #10
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It depends on a couple of things. First one is wether or not you attempt to run it with 2GB of RAM. If you do, you may be asking for a headache... it doesn't run smoothly at all on a 2GB system. Upgrading to 4GB is quite cheap and if you do that, it will take off.

The other thing is wether or not you're OK with iPad-esque features. Personally, I'm ok with most of them: Mail is fabulous, Launchpad is a great and useful idea (although it still needs work and customization options) and iCal despite the GUI which so many people hate but which for me is completely irrelevant, as the app itself is VERY GOOD.

Other than that, after a couple hours run, Lion is incredibly fast to open everything. Most apps only bounce once before launching.

I believe that by 10.7.1 it will be a redefining OS. ".0" is just good enough to avoid Apple a lot of headaches. I did think it would be Apple's Vista, but it's just too stable and fast for that. The user experience is quite simple and intuitive and also, it doesn't throw security questions in your screen every 2 mins like Vista did.

The only other thing I think still needs work is the animations' fluidity. Sometimes many of them are quite choppy.
Thanks for such an honest, straightforward answer! Refreshing to see amongst the astroturfers and fans.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:11 PM   #11
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This is what I've been reading

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Ever since I started using Macs in the late 80's I recall a certain segment that was always fast to complain that Apple was doing something wrong. It was OS 9 was getting old and creaky or it was Apple shouldn't be phasing out OS 9 because lots of "loyal" users still need it. It was "Apple's idiotic for removing the floppy drive," and "I won't buy a laptop with no internal modem."

When SL was released people ranted it was a pile of trash with no new features. Now these same people laud it's stability and trash Lion. Go figure. They scream about lack of PPC support (Rosetta), even though Universal apps have had years to develop and the only PPCs still around are one's abandoned by their dev. And in most cases there are Universal replacements.

The first ever Mac OS was designed to be simple. It was the anti-DOS, later anti-Windows. Along the way it became a tad more complicated to navigate, Lion attempts to reign it in a bit without taking away too much from power users. Some don't like change. They don't with Lion, they won't w/ whatever succeeds it. But bottom line is that through the year's, especially in the Jobs II era, Apple has called it right much more than it's detractors.

Lion is going to be fine, and if you don't like it then switch to Win 7. No big deal. It's just an OS. Use the one that makes you must productive.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:13 PM   #12
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It depends on a couple of things. First one is wether or not you attempt to run it with 2GB of RAM. If you do, you may be asking for a headache... it doesn't run smoothly at all on a 2GB system. Upgrading to 4GB is quite cheap and if you do that, it will take off.
So it won't run well on my 07' 1.83 ghz mac mini maxed out with 2 gigs of ram.. That sucks!
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:16 PM   #13
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:19 PM   #14
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So it won't run well on my 07' 1.83 ghz mac mini maxed out with 2 gigs of ram.. That sucks!
That computer is nearly 5 years old though, why would you expect it to run the latest software?
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:23 PM   #15
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It does work on my C2D MB with 2GHz and 2GB RAM. Don't get your hopes too high, though, swapping begins as soon as you have PS & ID running at the same time. One of those at a time however is fine.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:33 PM   #16
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That computer is nearly 5 years old though, why would you expect it to run the latest software?
... you made me feel old. 2007 was 4.5 years ago
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:35 PM   #17
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Lion most definitively does not suck.

It's simply an attempt by Apple to be all things to all people.

Now highly cluttered with cleverly named modules like "Launch Control" and others, a game Apple plays well (creating clever names) Lion is nothing more than a new version of Snow Leopard with extra layers of fluff and what some might call "Eye Candy"... for a a computer professional these "improvements" are viewed as clutter.

These very "improvements" are time wasting add-ons that only slow down ones work flow due to the extra clicks that must be evoked to get many of the same tasks done, that one could do in Snow Leopard so much faster and easier.

Yet once again, I say it does NOT suck. And why? Because this is a brilliant attempt by Apple (just like glossy displays) to get the public to notice their product, be highly amused and buy it.

Nothing is quite as profitable as an impulse buy, and that is exactly what Apple is working for.

Take the "wiggling" and ever so fascinating (to a three year old) "apps" that bring the familiar iPhone "look and feel" to the desktop. Just compare the iPad type "look and feel" to some of the screen shots.

It's all a bit Toys R Us or Fischer Price, but hey! If it makes Apple more money, if it thrills the little boys that buy this stuff, then it's a runaway success.

Mark my words, the little boys will tap mommy's wallet and buy so many Lion equipped computers, and other gadgets that IT WILL BE A RUNAWAY SUCCESS. History has proven if it has an Apple logo slapped on it, get ready to stand in line.

I say, Apple... more power too you

Oh sure the blind followers will be the first to say "well you can turn if off" to which I respond.. How hypocritical is that?

The very followers that criticize Android because it's customizable. And now, here they are suggesting we spend our time turning off all this clutter, and crazy stuff added just to amuse the public?

How hypocritical... how totally hilarious
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... you made me feel old. 2007 was 4.5 years ago
Scary, isn't it.. Looks like I'll be replacing my mini soon..
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:52 PM   #19
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Lion is nothing more than a new version of Snow Leopard with extra layers of fluff and what some might call "Eye Candy"... for a a computer professional these "improvements" are viewed as clutter.
I would have thought that a "computer professional", even though it's a completely meaningless term anyway, is able to at least appreciate the concepts behind Auto Save in combination with Versions and Resume, Local Snapshots, Full Disk Encryption and Sandboxing with Privilege Separation ?

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History has proven if it has an Apple logo slapped on it, get ready to stand in line.
You make it sound like any old product can have "an Apple logo slapped on it" and have it sell. The truth is, Apple designs very well crafted products that many people love, and that is why they sell. The logo signifies that the product is very likely a quality product. If Apple hadn't made so many great products, you wouldn't find anyone standing in line. Remember that when you post a thinly veiled attempt at trolling. Whenever people talk about sheeple or blind followers, they seem to forget that Apple has produced many quality products that exceed expectations.
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Lion doesnt suck. Its just unnecessarily different.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 02:10 PM   #22
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I haven't used it yet but from everything I've read here, and from other sources, is that it's a solid update but with some additions that may be frivolous to a percentage of users (myself included since I use a Mac Pro 99% of the time). I launch apps with spotlight
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Why not try it yourself when it comes out and form your own opinion?
You mean give them my $30? um!!!!
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 02:53 PM   #24
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Lion has lots of good new features, both user-facing and behind the scenes, which add up to a pretty good update.

It seems there are a few things that are so focused on the laptop/touch crowd that means they're not as good for regular desktop users as they could be, which might mean that we'll need to wait till 10.8 before they're truly useful.

Launchpad for example; it could be great as a permanent desktop for one or several screens, with the ability to bring it into focus, as it could allow quick, visual launching without the need for the dock.
As it is though I'm not sure it's really that useful, since you need to go via the Dock, which is kind of pointless when the Dock specialises in application launching.

Overall the positives far outweigh the negatives, and it's a good, solid improvement over Snow Leopard, Filevault 2 will be worth the upgrade alone if you want drive encryption!
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 02:57 PM   #25
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I don't think it sucks. Far from it. I've been using it on an external drive for a while and will be doing a clean install on my internal HD tomorrow, as I'm satisfied that it's stable enough for constant use. There are some quirks and changes that will take time to get used to, yes, but overall it is an improvement on Snow Leopard and 10.6 now seems dated when you go back to it.

The only thing that is really bugging me is the performance of Safari under 10.7. Have a few tabs open for a while and 'Safari Web Content' really starts to hog resources. I hope this will improve with the first point update.
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