Yeah, all true. But the poster's puke was also justified. I work with all the mentioned "standards" and products and to put it in the words of Steve Jobs: "they are a big bag of hurt"...
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Apple Releases Safari 4.0.4
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Yeah, all true. But the poster's puke was also justified. I work with all the mentioned "standards" and products and to put it in the words of Steve Jobs: "they are a big bag of hurt"...
As it should, too! Most of the code has been "frameworked" so Safari itself mostly contains the UI code.
That means nothing tbh. MS has plenty of certified partners that title is handed out like chocolates at Halloween.
almost instant load for me, and fully responsive.
I have vanilla Safari, on SL10.6.2 and have virtually no problems at all, especially with most of the "problem" pages people have sited above. MBP 13" 2.26 GHz 2GB RAM, if you want to know.
So is there a general problem with Safari? Not that I experience.
The one exception to the above is teh Shiira php page, which just shows as text, and I'll bet that's a coding error on the site.
I can only assume that those with all the problems listed above, that there is a specific problem on their systems...maybe a plugin/hack etc.
And I'll bet if you asked a load of IE users, there would be similar complaints, likewise Firefox.
Check your set-up before you assume that the problem is generic to Safari, or for that matter any browser that you may have problems with.
I, personally have found Safari has been as good a browser as any i have tried on both Windows machines and on the Mac, and in general better.
At least I have tabbed browsing! At work (a large bank that shall remain nameless!) we are stuck with IE6, and that REALLY sucks, as for my work I often have to have 15 or more browser windows open at the same time and that is just "a bag of hurt"!
almost instant load for me, and fully responsive.
I have vanilla Safari, on SL10.6.2 and have virtually no problems at all, especially with most of the "problem" pages people have sited above. MBP 13" 2.26 GHz 2GB RAM, if you want to know.
So is there a general problem with Safari? Not that I experience.
The one exception to the above is teh Shiira php page, which just shows as text, and I'll bet that's a coding error on the site.
I can only assume that those with all the problems listed above, that there is a specific problem on their systems...maybe a plugin/hack etc.
And I'll bet if you asked a load of IE users, there would be similar complaints, likewise Firefox.
Check your set-up before you assume that the problem is generic to Safari, or for that matter any browser that you may have problems with.
I, personally have found Safari has been as good a browser as any i have tried on both Windows machines and on the Mac, and in general better.
At least I have tabbed browsing! At work (a large bank that shall remain nameless!) we are stuck with IE6, and that REALLY sucks, as for my work I often have to have 15 or more browser windows open at the same time and that is just "a bag of hurt"!
+1. Great post.
Issues for a small minority of users?
Well, I just did try this site. The initial image took about 14 seconds to load, there was zero delay between requesting the page and it beginning to appear. I'm on a pretty standard 3/4 meg connection in the UK. I don't have click2flash installed, I don't have saft installed - I have a clean, untinkered version of safari. I (and the rest of my household - old white macbook, brand new 17" macbook pro) all report the same result. NONE of us have any issues with the flash plug in, none of us experience the constant hanging that is reported.
I think a vast majority of people on this forum and the small minority who insist on tinkering and tweaking their systems to 'optimise' them - I hear people complaining about Safari, and then asking when the thirty (I exaggerate) 'add-ons' for the browser will also be updated.
How about you just leave it alone as apple intended it to be used, seems to work fine for this household and for everyone else I talk to.
Only friend I have with a flash issue is one who previously had click2flash installed and after removing it (which was a pain in the rear) had flash problems surface for the first time.
Apple test their software for the average user and standard software set-ups - it's not possible to test with every combination of software and certainly not for those who 'tweak' their systems.
How about you just leave it alone, and let the software run as intended - it 'just works' for 90% of users.
And as far as cries of "oh my god, how dare apple make me reboot" followed by cries of "feels snappier" - how about helping the environment a little and shutting machine down overnight if it's not being used. Sorry if the 30 seconds a day to start up is too much like hassle for you.
Been a proud mac user since 1987 - I've always upgraded on upgrade day, never tweaked my system and happily used the full adobe creative suite (and previous incarnations back in the macromedia days) and yet to have a serious issue - but then, I don't 'tinker'...
[Back to the site in question - scrolled smoothly, loaded fine, no issues, tried in firefox, same result]
Well, I just did try this site. The initial image took about 14 seconds to load, there was zero delay between requesting the page and it beginning to appear. I'm on a pretty standard 3/4 meg connection in the UK. I don't have click2flash installed, I don't have saft installed - I have a clean, untinkered version of safari. I (and the rest of my household - old white macbook, brand new 17" macbook pro) all report the same result. NONE of us have any issues with the flash plug in, none of us experience the constant hanging that is reported.
I think a vast majority of people on this forum and the small minority who insist on tinkering and tweaking their systems to 'optimise' them - I hear people complaining about Safari, and then asking when the thirty (I exaggerate) 'add-ons' for the browser will also be updated.
How about you just leave it alone as apple intended it to be used, seems to work fine for this household and for everyone else I talk to.
Only friend I have with a flash issue is one who previously had click2flash installed and after removing it (which was a pain in the rear) had flash problems surface for the first time.
Apple test their software for the average user and standard software set-ups - it's not possible to test with every combination of software and certainly not for those who 'tweak' their systems.
How about you just leave it alone, and let the software run as intended - it 'just works' for 90% of users.
And as far as cries of "oh my god, how dare apple make me reboot" followed by cries of "feels snappier" - how about helping the environment a little and shutting machine down overnight if it's not being used. Sorry if the 30 seconds a day to start up is too much like hassle for you.
Been a proud mac user since 1987 - I've always upgraded on upgrade day, never tweaked my system and happily used the full adobe creative suite (and previous incarnations back in the macromedia days) and yet to have a serious issue - but then, I don't 'tinker'...
[Back to the site in question - scrolled smoothly, loaded fine, no issues, tried in firefox, same result]
Have they fixed the issue I was having where middle mouse click didn't always open links in a new tab? Usually when the link was inside a frame. Or does no one else have this problem?
512 KBit connection - Works fine
Works fine for me too. I'm on a 512 KBit connection, and the pages loads in about 12-15 seconds, and works fine after that
Works fine for me too. I'm on a 512 KBit connection, and the pages loads in about 12-15 seconds, and works fine after that
I beg to differ. Any party doing such studies in a realm must be unbiased and without affiliation. Otherwise, all results are seriously questionable. In fact, the company should not even be performing such studies; to then present them as unbiased without noting the affiliation is unacceptable - that is a professional standard. Point is, why would I believe this company after so many failures of protocol?
I was agreeing with you until I went to the YouTube homepage. No SBBoD. Then I clicked on "Close this Ad" and I had to force quit Safari. Does two affected users equate to a general problem? No, but it sure does give it more substance.almost instant load for me, and fully responsive.
I have vanilla Safari, on SL10.6.2 and have virtually no problems at all, especially with most of the "problem" pages people have sited above. MBP 13" 2.26 GHz 2GB RAM, if you want to know.
So is there a general problem with Safari? Not that I experience.
The one exception to the above is teh Shiira php page, which just shows as text, and I'll bet that's a coding error on the site.
I can only assume that those with all the problems listed above, that there is a specific problem on their systems...maybe a plugin/hack etc.
And I'll bet if you asked a load of IE users, there would be similar complaints, likewise Firefox.
Check your set-up before you assume that the problem is generic to Safari, or for that matter any browser that you may have problems with.
I, personally have found Safari has been as good a browser as any i have tried on both Windows machines and on the Mac, and in general better.
At least I have tabbed browsing! At work (a large bank that shall remain nameless!) we are stuck with IE6, and that REALLY sucks, as for my work I often have to have 15 or more browser windows open at the same time and that is just "a bag of hurt"!
Terrible experience for me. Took almost 0.9 seconds to load and start animating.
15" MBP 2.66 4GB 16Mbps.
Unfortunately you're right. In the "real" world, where most of us have to go to earn a living, M$ is the de facto standard. Not really Apple's fault, though. It's the fault of mindless, lazy drones, who take the attitude that, since everyone else uses this crap, they need to also. How about a little bit of a fresh approach: "Yeah, everyone else uses this crap. So we'll use it to the extent that we have to. But in the meantime we'll point some of our resources toward finding products that work better for us, and give us a way to dock up to the nasty gruel that the other mindless drones accept." Cloud computing is on its way, and I can't wait for the day, coming sooner than you think, that M$ will no longer hold us hostage, and we'll be able to use whatever hardware and software works best for us to plug into the data that we need to do our jobs. While Apple isn't really leading that charge, Apple users will benefit from the result.
Steve Jobs was right. MS does not need to lose for Apple to win. But they need to have their legs chopped off at the knees for us all to win.
A SunSpider Test I ran this morning learns me the following:
Safari 4.0.4
451.0 ms
Chrome 4.0.237.0
466.6 ms
Firefox 3.5.5
1118.2 ms
Firefox 3.6 beta 2
928.0 ms
Minefield 3.7a1Pre
889.4 ms
Testing on a MacBook Pro unibody (late 2008), 2.53 Ghz.
So Safari is the fastest again with this 4.0.4 update.
Safari 4.0.4
451.0 ms
Chrome 4.0.237.0
466.6 ms
Firefox 3.5.5
1118.2 ms
Firefox 3.6 beta 2
928.0 ms
Minefield 3.7a1Pre
889.4 ms
Testing on a MacBook Pro unibody (late 2008), 2.53 Ghz.
So Safari is the fastest again with this 4.0.4 update.
There's a new adblocker for Safari that works as a plugin in 64bit mode. It may work better for you.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/32851/safari-adblocker
Sadly it would seem so.
I'd look closely at your installation. Safari is far from perfect but it shouldn't crash from loading a PDF.
Dave
There does seem to be some hate at Adobe that is directed at Apple.
Interesting! I will have to check my machines at work as I don't recall seeing this problem. In any event I go out of my way to avoid installing plug ins. Which by the way highlights the need to make sure you have the latest pluton acccessible to Safari.
I'd look closely at your installation. Safari is far from perfect but it shouldn't crash from loading a PDF.
Dave
Do you have "click2flash" installed? That was happening to me after installing "click2flash" a few weeks back. Once uninstalled, YouTube was working fine. My experience with "click2flash" was that it seemed to eliminate some of Safari's unexpected quitting, but it caused more SBBoDs (on YouTube and other pages). YMMV.
Last week, i almost gave up on using Safari. I was getting pretty mad that i am on a T1 line, and Safari seems to hang or not find servers when i try to load certain pages on my MBP running 10.6. However, and my G5 running 10.5.8, i don't have any issues.
I even went so far as to install Google Chrome, on my MBP. I was actually shocked t how fast Chrome runs compared to Safari. I think Google's browser could give Safari a run for its money.
I even went so far as to install Google Chrome, on my MBP. I was actually shocked t how fast Chrome runs compared to Safari. I think Google's browser could give Safari a run for its money.