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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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Apple obviously developed the iPhone OS, and they are entitled to do whatever the f. they want with it. No one is entitled to say what Apple should do with it because they didn't invest anything in the OS to begin with, only consumed it. If we consume it, it's because we agree with what it is. I speak as a developer, and this does not shock me. Every company is never at other companies' mercy, and Adobe is placing itself like it was, that's pathetic. Instead of these Flash devs complaining about stuff like this, they should send their complaints to Adobe for having such careless and slap-on-the-face support for Flash on a Mac. How does Adobe expect apple's support when i.e. I have a MacPro with 4-dual-cores, and a simple flash app is using 90% of each processor at one point, that's unacceptable.
Flash ins't the only looser
There are other framworks out there from companies like Appcelerator that are effectively restricted as well given the language used. They wrap Apple API's into a higher level abstraction to provide rapid development and better cross platform support. You have a native app using native Apple APIs however it was written with an abstraction so per the SDK changes it would seem even frameworks like these, which support a wide range of popular iPhone apps will now be prohibited.
There are other framworks out there from companies like Appcelerator that are effectively restricted as well given the language used. They wrap Apple API's into a higher level abstraction to provide rapid development and better cross platform support. You have a native app using native Apple APIs however it was written with an abstraction so per the SDK changes it would seem even frameworks like these, which support a wide range of popular iPhone apps will now be prohibited.
Don't bother, here is what you will get:
Pro HTML 5:
- Most video site (youtube, vimeo, ustream...) use HTML 5 now
- It's more stable and browser friendly
- You can virtually do anything Flash can do
- It's the future
As a non pro-flash neither a pro-html 5, i would argue:
- HTML 5 only works with Chrome and Safarie ie. 8% of the internet user
- 75% of games, 90% of videos, most of ads and tons of websites are in Flash
- "Virtually" means you can't even do do half what Flash can do for now
- W3C has not even made it a standard, and today hundres of thousands of developpers CHOOSE to use Flash, who's Apple to tell them they can't ?
That pure good sense but hey...iSheep or iDon'tbuyBS.
But what I see is frustration here, and THAT I can understand: most Adobe software's are bloated as f**k, but again it's pure hypocrisy: Itunes is bloated as well on Windows, Aperture s*cks, and more and more of my friends have complaints about their Mac getting slower and slower...
Brimelow said:
That is sig worthy right there.
Anyway, I agree with the sentiments. I'm not 100% Adobe, because I don't like what Shantanu Narayen (Adobe's CEO) is doing to the company by shipping whole departments to India while there is plenty of talent in San Jose.
I just can't wait till this blows over.
On an unrelated note, Narayen used to work for Apple. I wonder if he said something to make Jobs angry however many years ago....
Thank you! Have you ever ben to that flash ladened site, NIKE. Oh my god! Not only does my mac have a hard time on that site my windows pc that I used at my job. It sucks. Adobe can suck off!
Hurting Developers??
The iPhone has made lots of developers lots and lots of money.
Apple makes a cut of it as well so they have no vested interest in hurting developers.
If they wanted to screw the developers, they could just not approve any suspect apps.
Apple set the ground rules up front. No one is forcing the developers to code for apple hardware.
If you don't like the music, you don't have to dance.
The iPhone has made lots of developers lots and lots of money.
Apple makes a cut of it as well so they have no vested interest in hurting developers.
If they wanted to screw the developers, they could just not approve any suspect apps.
Apple set the ground rules up front. No one is forcing the developers to code for apple hardware.
If you don't like the music, you don't have to dance.
From Apple Insider
Great remarks here....
" Multitasking on other platforms :
Other platforms have enabled multitasking by simply allowing any number of apps to run. This results in a mess for users because it's up to them to manage which apps are running out of control or needlessly chewing up resources in the background. Android and Windows Mobile are both notorious for needing TasKiller or some other sort of manual process manager to keep battery life and performance in check.
Microsoft's solution to the mess on Windows Mobile was to start over with Windows Phone 7 this winter, which removes multitasking and attempts to save state for each app it puts on hold. But Microsoft hasn't outlined how it plans to deliver the multitasking features users will expect on its new platform in the way Apple demonstrated for iPhone 4.0 this summer.
Additionally, that fact that Apple introduced its Push Notifications service first means that most iPhone apps are already designed to respond to outside events efficiently. On the BlackBerry OS, for example, apps that run in the background often inefficiently poll their servers, a big tax on battery life. This is somewhat ironic because Blackberry is renowned for running its own push services, it just didn't open these to developers until third party software had largely already rolled their own solutions."
This is a good response to all the I-want-mutitasking-on-my-phone and all the Apple bashers... Anyone to comment on this one?
Great remarks here....
" Multitasking on other platforms :
Other platforms have enabled multitasking by simply allowing any number of apps to run. This results in a mess for users because it's up to them to manage which apps are running out of control or needlessly chewing up resources in the background. Android and Windows Mobile are both notorious for needing TasKiller or some other sort of manual process manager to keep battery life and performance in check.
Microsoft's solution to the mess on Windows Mobile was to start over with Windows Phone 7 this winter, which removes multitasking and attempts to save state for each app it puts on hold. But Microsoft hasn't outlined how it plans to deliver the multitasking features users will expect on its new platform in the way Apple demonstrated for iPhone 4.0 this summer.
Additionally, that fact that Apple introduced its Push Notifications service first means that most iPhone apps are already designed to respond to outside events efficiently. On the BlackBerry OS, for example, apps that run in the background often inefficiently poll their servers, a big tax on battery life. This is somewhat ironic because Blackberry is renowned for running its own push services, it just didn't open these to developers until third party software had largely already rolled their own solutions."
This is a good response to all the I-want-mutitasking-on-my-phone and all the Apple bashers... Anyone to comment on this one?
It's unfortunate that things are starting to get personal and nasty. I don't entirely agree with Apple, but IF Flash is a resource hog...I suppose they have to lock it out of the platform.
Does Apple's new developer agreement prevent Adobe from setting up Flash servers the way YouTube has? Maybe that could be a workaround.
Does Apple's new developer agreement prevent Adobe from setting up Flash servers the way YouTube has? Maybe that could be a workaround.
Can't we just get back into the good old days when Adobe only made software for Macs? And when Google and Apple got along? All this hatred sucks, I don't know who's responsible and who's right or wrong, but this isn't healthy. And it's very childish. And when things get this far, something stupid usually happens, and that's usually bad for us consumers. Companies should work together and not hate each other. This applies to both Apple and Adobe. And Google. I guess Microsoft is quickly becoming the least idiotic company at the moment. And this really is sad!
Smoebody wasnt doing their job by maintaining a close relationship with Apple. Relationships ar eeverything in business.
Honestly, I feel Apple has all the right to limit how people use their products and which apps to allow and which not.
Personally I like the idea of Open Source software, looking at Firefox and Linux Ubuntu, but it is really overrated. Look at the appstore and the number of really high quality free or almost-free apps. Where on earth can you find software for less that $5? You can say all you want about Apple trying to control their content, but the app store has proved that it works and that it is a sustainable environment and certainly rewarding for app developers. Part of this success lies in having 1 app store, one place where you download all the apps and at least a minimal quality control.
I only rarely see sites that use flash these days for other things that lame primitive games or advertisements. I don't know much flash, so I wouldn't be able to say if Apple is right about it draining resources and such, however if it were true, it is good of them to not allow it.
I also find it odd that people critize Apple for monopolizing stuff and not allowing flash, while flash itself is controlled by 1 company, adobe.
Personally I like the idea of Open Source software, looking at Firefox and Linux Ubuntu, but it is really overrated. Look at the appstore and the number of really high quality free or almost-free apps. Where on earth can you find software for less that $5? You can say all you want about Apple trying to control their content, but the app store has proved that it works and that it is a sustainable environment and certainly rewarding for app developers. Part of this success lies in having 1 app store, one place where you download all the apps and at least a minimal quality control.
I only rarely see sites that use flash these days for other things that lame primitive games or advertisements. I don't know much flash, so I wouldn't be able to say if Apple is right about it draining resources and such, however if it were true, it is good of them to not allow it.
I also find it odd that people critize Apple for monopolizing stuff and not allowing flash, while flash itself is controlled by 1 company, adobe.
I feel that Apple is becoming into a monopoly like microsoft once was. They are milking the iPhone for everything and even making spinoffs (ipad)....Apple wasn't very popular until the ipod and the iphone came out...and suddenly now they are rejecting adobe?
Apple is holding their customers hostage to restrictions and high prices (damn MBPs still expensive!!)
...and where is my i3 13" MBP??....i too am a damn hostage of APPLE!!!!!!!
Apple is holding their customers hostage to restrictions and high prices (damn MBPs still expensive!!)
...and where is my i3 13" MBP??....i too am a damn hostage of APPLE!!!!!!!
Yet.
The problem with going with a propriety solution that your users depend on is that vendor can one day pull a Microsoft on you. It makes no difference what current management does or says; a new CEO can come along and make your life difficult.
No Web development should be done with proprietary tools that only come from one company. Open standards are the only way to go in order to avoid future trouble.
HTML 5, yes.
Flash, no.
Not true, you can develop for Macs, iPhone OS is a mobile OS. is here to make money, if they could offer a better experience with Flash they will (Who knows what they are doing about Flash compatibility?).
Why they left copy&past and 3rd party multitask out and ignore complaints and losing possible customers (which was bravery actually, being them a non non-profit company) ?
Why should Flash be different?
You're kidding, right?
If you'll ever apply as a CEO anywhere, make a mental note NOT to say that. Or anything remotely related to that.
If you knew little about Marketing101 you would know that Apple products are on their Apogee. And do you know what follows apogee...?
Plus Apple made what's call an hypocrit and dick move. What if Adobe does a really dickish one twoand don't release CS updates on Mac anymore...?
People are stubborn to change to what ? Get you fact straight:
- HTML 5, while promising, has not even been made a ready standard by W3C
- Because it only works on Chrome and Safari, and maybe you don't know it, but it means only 8% of internet user
- 75% of games, 80% of videos, most ads and thousands of website are still in Flash
- With HTML 5 you can do half what you can do with Flash for now.
