How To Disable Lion's 'Resume' Feature

[KnightWRX]

I think that's just because we're so used to hitting CMD+Q. Time to unlearn "bad" habits...

So wait, hitting CMD+Q is a bad habit, I should be hitting CMD+W 150 times instead ?

No.

If you want to have your windows closed, close your windows.

Not every app uses a document or windows paradigm, and again, sometimes I want the App closed, not just the windows or documents.

Again : No.

From a UX standpoint, there's no good reason why quitting an app should make it lose its state and and discard all windows.

Except when that's exactly what I want it to do. Lose its state and close everything down so I can start fresh next time. This should obviously be on an app by app basis, not a system wide option.

Some apps I'd rather keep state, some apps I'd rather flush state. And manually flushing state takes a hella more keystrokes than CMD+Q (Quit the app! That's what it should do! Some other keystroke, like ALT+CMD+Q should be used to "sleep" the app... oh wait, just like this option does... how fantastic options can be uh ? )

Same thing with restarting the computer, especially after a forced update. Ideally you'd want to be back exactly where you left off.

Not always, I never reboot and when I do, I plan it to start fresh in everything, not to mention what I want open is configured to auto-open.

Same thing applies. Close your windows people. (Or use Safari's Private Browsing Mode)

Closing windows = highly inefficient. Thank god for options so that we don't all have to live like tkermit does. How about you try a big dose of respect for other people's habit instead of just calling them bad ?

Also : I don't use Safari, piece of crap browser. And I watch my porn on the TV in the bedroom, streamed from my NAS to my Blu-ray player. I don't hide anything from my GF. She's free to watch it along with me if she wants.

 

[Digitalclips]

There are tons of Lion's features that can be toggled, even the dissapearing scroll bars can be set to stay put and we all know about the reverse scrolling option. It is without doubt an amazing upgrade to OS X.

 

[Jelite]

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why the aggressive tone, I was only answering someones question

There's no aggression in that sentence, it was aimed at everyone not seeming to get how to use the feature.

 

[tkermit]

So wait, hitting CMD+Q is a bad habit, I should be hitting CMD+W 150 times instead ?

Or, you know, just hit CMD+Option+W once.

Not every app uses a document or windows paradigm, and again, sometimes I want the App closed, not just the windows or documents.

So close the app. Just make sure you've also closed the windows, if that's how you want your app to appear the next time you start it. If the app doesn't use a document or windows paradigm I fail to see the issue here at all - do you have a specific example?

Except when that's exactly what I want it to do. Lose its state and close everything down so I can start fresh next time. This should obviously be on an app by app basis, not a system wide option.

There's a key combo for that.

I never reboot and when I do, I plan it to start fresh in everything, not to mention what I want open is configured to auto-open.

That's why there's a box that you can uncheck.

Thank god for options so that we don't all have to live like tkermit does.

That would be very boring indeed.

How about you try a big dose of respect for other people's habit instead of just calling them bad ?

I called them "bad" habits for a reason. I didn't mean to personally offend you with that.

 

[tkermit]

Some apps I'd rather keep state, some apps I'd rather flush state. And manually flushing state takes a hella more keystrokes than CMD+Q (Quit the app! That's what it should do! Some other keystroke, like ALT+CMD+Q should be used to "sleep" the app... oh wait, just like this option does... how fantastic options can be uh ? )

Didn't quite notice that point. I can understand your view on that. Personally it would probably drive me crazy if I was going to configure the resume behavior for apps on an individual basis.

 

[milo]

I wish you could pick and choose what apps to use this for. There are certain programs I like to start fresh with whenever I close them. Ie firefox, iTunes, Photoshop.

Great point, is there a way to enable/disable on an individual app basis?

Seems like a great feature and I'll likely use it but some more user control would make it better. Honestly, resume is one of the features I'm looking forward to most, getting everything open on my system and back to how it was when I last used it takes a while and I'll be happy to not have to take that time.

Does resume reopen network drive windows?

6) Scroll bars were good. They told you how far down a page you were without having to move a mouse over.
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And aside from killing resume most of these cannot be switched back at present.

There's a user pref for scroll bars. And that one I totally agree with, I want that visual feedback when I'm using a computer.

So wait, hitting CMD+Q is a bad habit, I should be hitting CMD+W 150 times instead ?

FYI, there is a key command for close all windows, just add the option key (command option W instead of command W in most apps).

Or command option Q to not save the window state. Or just turn the pref off if you don't like it.

Seems like your complaint isn't about the feature, you seem to agree that it's a good one, just that it should be able to be set in an app by app basis. I imagine if Apple gets the feedback they'll add that option in an update (and I wouldn't be surprised if that feature already exists but just isn't exposed in the user interface).

 

[chrfr]

You guys really shouldn't be encouraging people to disable this feature IMHO.

That's just silly. Probably 90% of the time, I'm restarting the computer because something has gotten messed up and I feel it's time to start with a fresh application. Why would I want to resume into something that isn't necessarily working properly?

 

[KnightWRX]

Or just turn the pref off if you don't like it.

That was my point. It seems a few users here lambast the option for even existing. It's everyone that wants to disable it that is "wrong" and just have "bad habits".

Really, a little dose of respect for options needs to be learned by some here. Options are good. They enable people like me to have my way and other people like tkermit to have their way. No way is "bad" or "good", just different.

Live and let live, stop lambasting others for being different. There is nothing wrong with options (no matter what Apple says on the matter).

 

[Trius]

That was my point. It seems a few users here lambast the option for even existing. It's everyone that wants to disable it that is "wrong" and just have "bad habits".

Really, a little dose of respect for options needs to be learned by some here. Options are good. They enable people like me to have my way and other people like tkermit to have their way. No way is "bad" or "good", just different.

Live and let live, stop lambasting others for being different. There is nothing wrong with options (no matter what Apple says on the matter).

I agree, we should have options, and why does anyone care how someone else chooses to use their machine? What bugs me are the people that haven't even installed Lion yet and they are talking about how they are going to have to disable all of the new features without even trying them. People are so stuck in their ways and are so stubborn to try something new.. We are all here for the same reason, because Apple makes kick-ass products. I, for one, trust apple in their design decisions and AT LEAST give them a chance.. Although I'm having quite a time with this inverted scrolling

 

[tkermit]

Options are good.

Options mean complexity. Unnecessary complexity is bad.

 

[Shanpdx]

iCal

when i close (not quit) the iCal it does not stay open? is it a feature or bug?

I for one, who removed the Resume function straight way - thanks macrumors, otherwise it is confusing what is open and what is closed...

 

[tkermit]

when i close (not quit) the iCal it does not stay open? is it a feature or bug?

That's a feature. Works the same way in TextEdit, Preview, Quicktime Player, Automator etc... Notice that their processes aren't terminated immediately, but only when the system experiences memory pressure.

So, if you launch the app again at a later time, and the process is still available, the app will start up instantly.

 

[KnightWRX]

Options mean complexity. Unnecessary complexity is bad.

That is patently false and should never be repeated. Options don't mean complexity at all, they mean flexibility.

All the "confusion" introduced by options is usually because of poor choice in what is called "sensible defaults". If your defaults are sensible, your users won't need to use options, yet they will be there for those that do want to change the way the system behaves. The complexity is hidden away for the standard user, yet for the more advanced user, the options exist.

Removing options all together is not making things more simple, it's "dumbing down". Making the options accessible, yet configured with sensible defaults reduces confusion and yet permits flexibility. My father in law never messages with settings. He'd never know the difference. Yet I do, and am happy that I can.

Seriously folk, I know it's hard to grasp that not everyone is the same, but that's how it is.

 

[tkermit]

Removing options all together is not making things more simple, it's "dumbing down".

Fine. Call it "dumbing down" if that makes you feel better.

 

[paulsalter]

this dosn't seem to work for me for disabling resume

took out the tick to disable resume
CMD+Q after entering text into either Pages or TextEdit
It dosn't ask to save or not and next time I open the text is still there

What am I missing

I want to CMD+Q when finished with an app, next time I open it I want it to be blank/new document

I dont want to just close the document as this leaves apps in the dock that I dont want after i have finished using them

 

[tkermit]

this dosn't seem to work for me for disabling resume

took out the tick to disable resume
CMD+Q after entering text into either Pages or TextEdit
It dosn't ask to save or not and next time I open the text is still there

Looks like the option only applies to documents that are already present on disk, i.e. you've already manually chosen a file name.

 

[paulsalter]

Looks like the option only applies to documents that are already present on disk, i.e. you've already manually chosen a file name.

Thanks, just tried and that does seem to be the case

 

[KnightWRX]

Fine. Call it "dumbing down" if that makes you feel better.

It doesn't make me feel better, it is that, and obviously, Apple doesn't feel they want to dumb down the OS since the option is there.

Removing options to "simplify" things is the very definition of dumbing down.

 

[tkermit]

the option is there.

I never said I was against that specific option. Enjoy!

It's just that some people don't appear to give the the new Resume feature any chance in the first place.

 

[KnightWRX]

I never said I was against that specific option. Enjoy!

It's just that some people don't appear to give the the new Resume feature any chance in the first place.

That's a problem with Apple's marketing of it. Frankly, I don't care for such a feature and nothing Apple has said has changed my mind. Sometimes, Apple implements solutions in search of a problem.

 

[Bregalad]

Had my first "unexpectedly quit" Mail app on Lion at the beginning of the day, nothing major but when I restarted my MBA the Mail app started at the point it was left off where it froze, so I have to restart again.

In my opinion Resume should never operate after Restart.

Having apps relaunch after a full reboot of the OS is the worst idea Apple has ever had. The point of rebooting is to clean things up, not take you straight back to the problem you were having.

I also believe that Resume should be set at the Application level rather than the system level. Run Safari for a week or so and it'll be using so much real RAM it'll make your head spin. I should be able to quit it and start it up clean without that affecting the Resume behaviour of any other app.

 

[tkermit]

Sometimes, Apple implements solutions in search of a problem.

And that's where, in this case, I disagree completely. It's just that if you've used a computer for long enough you don't recognize certain behaviors as problems anymore, among them (to a point) manual process management, manual saving, non-existent truly easy-to-use and integrated versioning systems, and applications or the system as a whole not preserving their state when restarted. This truly seems like a big deal to me in the long run. It's only expected that it would be controversial at first, especially among experienced computer users.

 

[paulsalter]

It's just that some people don't appear to give the the new Resume feature any chance in the first place.

I have had apps in the past that have the resume feature, I absolutely hated apps reopening things as they last where, most of the time I will work on something and finish it, dont need it to keep opening everytime I launch the app

I have tried it briefly on Lion, but knew I wouldnt keep it on as I hate the feature

 

[tkermit]

I have had apps in the past that have the resume feature, I absolutely hated apps reopening things as they last where, most of the time I will work on something and finish it, dont need it to keep opening everytime I launch the app

But why wouldn't you simply close the document you were working on? Oh, well. At least there's an option, right?

Having apps relaunch after a full reboot of the OS is the worst idea Apple has ever had. The point of rebooting is to clean things up, not take you straight back to the problem you were having.

Rebooting will still "clean things up". It only additionally (and optionally) restarts your apps and restores their individual states afterwards.
I would compare it to a well-trained maid cleaning your desk where you have all your documents and stuff laid out in a way that each one is at the right position for you to work effectively. When you take a break from working, and she cleans the desk, you don't want her to stow everything away, but rather have her temporarily put things aside, clean the desk surface, and then put it all back to where it was.

Run Safari for a week or so and it'll be using so much real RAM it'll make your head spin.

Good point, although the real problem is Safari here. Fortunately, at least Safari's web content process, which is most responsible for using up a lot of RAM, is terminated automatically for you after all Safari windows have been closed.

 

[paulsalter]

But why wouldn't you simply close the document you were working on? Oh, well. At least there's an option, right?

aslong as there is an option i dont mind what they do

but to the above

why should I have to CMD+W to close the document, then, CMD+Q to quit the app as i dont need it anymore
when all I want to do is close the app
CMD+Q and have it forget everything, then open as new next time

why do these upgrades always make things more time consuming by adding extra steps to something thats so simple to do