I understand what your point was and we are in agreement. I was poorly attempting to point out that the comparably priced Dell has some slower specs.
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"Psystar slaps Apple around, releases Mac clones with Blu-ray / GeForce 9800GT"
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My computer came with Tiger. I bought Leopard for $129.
The reason it's so much cheaper than Windows is that Apple knows I bought a machine from them at some point. Because of that they can chage $129 for the OS upgrades. That's all it is: an upgrade to my machine that I bought from them.
But if this kind of thing takes off, they have no way of knowing if I bought a machine from Apple or not. In fact, there's a good chance that MOST sales of OS X will be going to people who install them on non-Apple hardware. If that becomes common, they'll no longer sell it for $129. Expect to see more Windows-like prices.
Forget that aluminum enclosure, screen, or trackpad. I wasn't and am still not impressed by either of them. The aluminum seemed to show spots badly, and the glass reflects. Actually, I don't even use the trackpad on my 1525, and hate that glossy screen too.
I would have compared the CPU, but Apple kindly left out the model number for the CPU they use. Anyway, if you know that info, you can compare mine to theirs and come up with a summary.
I did mention the memory being different, however the screen has the same resolution, and is powered by an X3100. Low video card, yeah, but hey, it's powering a 15" screen.
Weight is 5.2 lbs. It's running Ubuntu 8.04, so I have all the software I need, and more, from editing our home videos to managing our music and photos.
I do have Firewire, that the new MB owners seem to like/want.
You can argue that you don't like/need the features that are offered, but that doesn't change the fact that they are part of the price. All you're really saying is that for your tastes and usage patterns that you can't justify the price. I can understand that the MB/P isn't the right choice for everyone, but you have to take everything into account if you want to argue price. I could just as easily say that you overpaid for the 1525 because I can get an Eee PC for <$300 that has all the features that I want, but that doesn't mean that it's a fair comparison.
Ah, my bad. I couldn't tell where you were going with your comment. Damn the internet!
That was my inference as well. I'm guessing they think they'll get a judge who doesn't care for their EULA's restrictiveness.
Apple's release structure is also much more rapid than windows. Since 2001, we've gone through 5 releases of OS X, all 129 at release. If you even upgrade once, you've upped the total to 260, which is on par with window releases that occur around every 5 years.
True, but do these things really make the system high-end? If I'm going to pay a hefty price for a system, it had better be on components that make a computing difference, not a difference in how it looks sitting on a table/desk.
That said, I still stand on the fact that Apple is charging the same when they are using the same CPU, GPU, RAM, whatever as other manufacturer's are. It's not like they are having Intel make a custom CPU, and Nvidia make a custom GPU, etc.
If you want to start comparing servers too, I can blow away Apple's XServe on pricing and performance.
That second argument what originally started this whole thing anyway, at least I think so...
Be back in awhile... This is exhausting.
Well, I do know computer parts, so you're wrong in that statement. Macintosh computers don't always just work either, otherwise we wouldn't have a forum full of people asking questions.
I think your non-Mac system may be breaking down because of you're playing. Not sure though...
My PC breaks down because of playing for sure!!
But the most recent computer parts are not placed in apple computers. Sure they make big announcements but really the parts are typically 6 months to one year old before they make it into the apple computers. Now everyone will cry foul because of the recent macbook update but I must remind everyone the NVIDIA technology was already released just not that model number yet. The processor is 6 months old and the so are the rest of the specs. Now the case (by the way, this is why they spent so much time on it) is completely new. Other than that it is a new shiny old macbook without firewire 400. Heck I was reading on these forums where people thought the possibility of hybrid SLI technology was exclusive to mac computers. SLI in laptops has been out for 2 years! It doesn't even work in apple computers yet!!This is the truth!! My biggest fear of all. Screw everything else this is what will happen to Mac OS's of the future.
I have Bluray on my Mac, just because Apple hasn't released it yet doesn't mean you can't do it yourself! (it's not like Psystar did anything more than include a Bluray drive in a case)
But how do you explain the comparison to the m1330, though? Like I said, Apple won't compare favorably to any old computer because they don't offer low end machines.
Plus, even if the build quality isn't important to you, it's important to a lot of people.
I don't think quality is the issue
For all I know, they could be great. I'm going to continue using Apple's Macs because I'm a huge fan of what they do and how they do it. I genuinely enjoy supporting my favourite company.
This subject, however, conflicts me more than most. If I buy something, then I feel that it's mine to do with as I please. I know the law may not always agree, but that just makes sense to me. I don't want to be renting my stuff. So if I buy a PC and I buy a copy of OSX, then I don't think anyone can tell me what I can or can't do with them (outside of something malicious).
From Apple's angle, I appreciate that as a producer they want to control how their product is sold, marketed, and distributed. Psystar seems to be very confrontational in their marketing against Apple while bundling their product. Maybe this is the angle that Apple could take.
If I buy several apps and then resell them as the "douchebag bundle" do the app makers not have any say?
For all I know, they could be great. I'm going to continue using Apple's Macs because I'm a huge fan of what they do and how they do it. I genuinely enjoy supporting my favourite company.
This subject, however, conflicts me more than most. If I buy something, then I feel that it's mine to do with as I please. I know the law may not always agree, but that just makes sense to me. I don't want to be renting my stuff. So if I buy a PC and I buy a copy of OSX, then I don't think anyone can tell me what I can or can't do with them (outside of something malicious).
From Apple's angle, I appreciate that as a producer they want to control how their product is sold, marketed, and distributed. Psystar seems to be very confrontational in their marketing against Apple while bundling their product. Maybe this is the angle that Apple could take.
If I buy several apps and then resell them as the "douchebag bundle" do the app makers not have any say?
Now if Apple would just wake up to the "bag of hurt" and support blu-ray themselves, and give us some decent mid-sized towers!
Do they really give you a "legal, legit, paid for, still sealed in plastic Apple OSX install disk"? If that is the case, and if they also have MacOS X pre-installed on their computers, then they are stuck in much much deeper **** than I ever thought. But no matter what, that "legal, legit, paid for, still sealed in plastic Apple OSX install disk" allows you to install MacOS X on an Apple-labeled computer. Not on a Psystar computer.
If you want to argue about this, don't do it here. Apple will very likely get a list of all Psystar customers as a part of any settlement, so you may be able to discuss this with Apple directly.
I think that is not true - wasn't Tiger the first OS X release that Apple charged for, with everything up through 10.3 available via Software Update?
Legal Hacintosh.
I have found a way to run Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware without violating the EULA. What you do is start with an Apple computer. the G4 tower is a good start. Then you upgrade the Apple computer. Apple allows third party upgrades as long as the machine is still "Apple Labled" (Apple's words) So,.... Take your $50 eBay junk G4 Power mac and upgrade it by installing a new Intel quad core mother board and a new power supply.
I think the G4 may have been the last Mac to use industry standard parts. A "standard" power supply and motherboard will fit, or can be made to fit. If you read the EULA carefully I don't even see this as a grey area. It is very clear that all Apple required is an Apple branded computer. They do not talk about modifications and upgrades
A looser reading of the EULA says the if you write the word "Apple" with a marking pen on your Hacintosh then you'd have "an Apple labelled computer". That's kind of nuts but a conservative reading says "Apple labelled computer" is a computer that Apple put it's label on. Apple did that to the G4, so you'd be OK.
I have found a way to run Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware without violating the EULA. What you do is start with an Apple computer. the G4 tower is a good start. Then you upgrade the Apple computer. Apple allows third party upgrades as long as the machine is still "Apple Labled" (Apple's words) So,.... Take your $50 eBay junk G4 Power mac and upgrade it by installing a new Intel quad core mother board and a new power supply.
I think the G4 may have been the last Mac to use industry standard parts. A "standard" power supply and motherboard will fit, or can be made to fit. If you read the EULA carefully I don't even see this as a grey area. It is very clear that all Apple required is an Apple branded computer. They do not talk about modifications and upgrades
A looser reading of the EULA says the if you write the word "Apple" with a marking pen on your Hacintosh then you'd have "an Apple labelled computer". That's kind of nuts but a conservative reading says "Apple labelled computer" is a computer that Apple put it's label on. Apple did that to the G4, so you'd be OK.
Haha that's great
Go Psystar! Here's hoping this will somehow light a fire under Apples @$$ to get on the bluray bandwagon.
...but I know it won't.
Go Psystar! Here's hoping this will somehow light a fire under Apples @$$ to get on the bluray bandwagon.
...but I know it won't.
Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft is a software company.
Differering focus. What do you plan on telling them?
Sure:
Intel Core2Duo T5750
2GB RAM
**Wireless G
**Line out analog (who cares really, as I don't compute right next to a home theater)
5400rpm 250GB drive
Firewire
Multimedia card reader
15" widescreen
S-Video out
HDMI out
VGA out
Obviously no MagSafe, but don't see that as a plus or minus. Never had an issue with power on anything I've had.
So, if you want to include MagSafe, there 3 missing options for $900 more. Then again, I gained a Multimedia card reader and 3 video output options too. Also, if I wanted to upgrade to Wireless-N, I can get a Mini-PCI one for $80. I actually chose not to get 802.11n until it gets out of draft.
Which brands, models, chipsets. Firmware revisions, etc. You still aren't providing the required information to make a fair and balanced comparison.
You're right, it won't happen. Psystar's actions are not going to change a damn thing Apple does.
The mid-range Apple tower is a pipe-dream. I will crap myself in shock if Apple produces one.
As far as Blu-ray goes, I personally think it is overrated. Other than people at tech forums, I have not heard loud cries for Blu-ray devices.
No, they don't "loose" their SLA. No potential ruling of the case would invalidate their entire license. The absolute highest achievement for Psystar is an invalidation of the Apple-branded requirement, which would then prompt Apple to revise their licensing to accomplish the same result through a different means.
No, they did not. You've said it at least five times, but it's not true. The parties were ordered to ADR. It's par for the course in this kind of litigation.
Because it's much cheaper and much faster, and at the end of the day, those are in everyone's best interests.
Quite right.
There has been no such claim, and there remains, to this day, no manufacturer of 8-bit notebook panels.
No. Your "way" is no more logical or legal than the "Apple sticker" tripe. 'Label' means "An informative display of written or graphic matter, such as a logo, title, or similar marking, affixed to goods or services to identify their source." In other words, it is synonymous with brand and valid only as far as indicating the manufacturer of the good.
No, it's completely nuts.
I am increasingly in that same boat. The new MB - too many design choices and spec choices made by Appl that just fly in the face of what I consider common sense. new MBP - glossy screen, no blu-ray, no high res screen, still the same obscene high price - no sale. No desktop workstation without paying thru the nose for a dual-socket server class board. Moronic.
My next OSX machine will almost certainly not come from Cupertino. It no longer makes sense.