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Mac_Freak

macrumors 6502a
Apr 22, 2005
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So far it is the same Safari as before. Over 4mb is pretty big update. I hope it will that spinning beachball when switching through tabs.
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
29,776
15
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
cemorris said:
Yeah I can finnally log into fredmiranda.com forums!!! Hooray!!

I had problems with this too, at some point, but it went away. Seemed to have something to do with my cookies. Anyway, though, glad you're back on. I need to get back behind the lens so I can actually post stuff there instead of just offering input to other people! :rolleyes:
 

toneloco2881

macrumors 6502
Jan 23, 2005
357
5
Object-X said:
My system is completely hosed. :mad: Finder is crashing my system, the icons are all missing, .dmg packages are not working. This really sucks.
And this right here ladies and gentleman is why I believe Apple should institute some type of "system restore" feature similar to Windows XP. Please don't give me that crap about why it's not needed b/c OS X is so much more stable. It certainly is but there is always exceptions, and to require someone to do a complete reinstall, to circumvent some unknown issue is kind of ridiculous. Just imho...
 

Zman5225

macrumors 6502a
May 15, 2005
596
10
Tacoma WA
Err just downloaded this "update" and I had a heck of a time reconnecting to the internet for some reason. Also it feels REAL slow for some reason compared to what it was before. Think i'll head over and grab firefox real fast and check it out.
 

rdowns

macrumors Penryn
Jul 11, 2003
27,397
12,521
Rantipole said:
Could someone explain to me why it is NOT lame that OS10.3 users will not get a Safari 2? :confused:

Because Safari 2 requires components that are part of Panther and not Jaguar.
 

shamino

macrumors 68040
Jan 7, 2004
3,443
271
Purcellville, VA
rdowns said:
Because Safari 2 requires components that are part of Panther and not Jaguar.
You mean "Tiger and not Panther" of course.

Jaguar is 10.2, and runs Safari 1.0.x. Panther is 10.3 and runs Safari 1.x (where x>0). Tiger is 10.4 and runs Safari 2.x.
 

rendezvouscp

macrumors 68000
Aug 20, 2003
1,526
0
Long Beach, California
Rantipole said:
Could someone explain to me why it is NOT lame that OS10.3 users will not get a Safari 2? :confused:

Safari 1.3 is Safari 2 without RSS and Private Browsing, and whatever else Apple decided to use as an upgrade reason for Tiger. They're the same except for a few features that Apple made available in the new frameworks for Tiger, so they aren't available for Panther.
-Chase
 

bubbalwz

macrumors member
Jan 25, 2005
30
0
RTP, NC
rebooting for a web browser update?

Come on Apple... Does windows even require a reboot for a web browser update? I only reboot for kernel updates on my linux box.
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
29,776
15
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Rantipole said:
Could someone explain to me why it is NOT lame that OS10.3 users will not get a Safari 2? :confused:

They will. As soon as they buy Tiger! ;)

To me, it isn't unreasonable for them to expect you to pay the relatively nominal price of upgrading your OS, rather than spending so many development resources and twisting up the code to accomplish what they want without using Tiger APIs.

If you look at Microsoft, the latest MSIE is also not available on any OS except for the latest version of Windows -- you can only get 6.0SP1 if you do not have Windows XP.

And of course you have recourse to Firefox if that's what you want.

So couldn't I ask why it is NOT lame for you to be complaining about buying Tiger if you want Safari 2?
 

Heb1228

macrumors 68020
Feb 3, 2004
2,217
1
Virginia Beach, VA
bubbalwz said:
Come on Apple... Does windows even require a reboot for a web browser update? I only reboot for kernel updates on my linux box.
That topic's been covered already in this thread. It probably made changes to WebKit.
 

0098386

Suspended
Jan 18, 2005
21,574
2,908
i go on my Powerbook a lot more than my windows laptop... BUT i'm always using XP when an OSX update is available.
 

mrkgoo

macrumors 65816
Aug 18, 2005
1,178
3
Ironically, I never had a Safari crash until I installed this update. It seems the same, but crashed the first time I loaded it up.
 

ham_man

macrumors 68020
Jan 21, 2005
2,265
0
Rantipole said:
Could someone explain to me why it is NOT lame that OS10.3 users will not get a Safari 2? :confused:
Or Dashoboard and Spotlight for that matter... ;)
 

aegisdesign

macrumors 6502a
Apr 19, 2005
875
0
Heb1228 said:
That topic's been covered already in this thread. It probably made changes to WebKit.

Not actually a reason to have to reboot as I download a new nightly safari WebKit build every couple of days. At the moment the nightly supports some of the CSS3 border-radius draft. Very nice too.

I suspect it's just easier for Apple to control the state of the machine if they can restart all the other apps they don't know about that may be using WebKit.

Incidentally, this one fixes two bugs so far that I've come across.

1) background images that are in the cache don't get reloaded on every page. That was annoying me a lot.

2) unordered lists with graphics for bullets get the offset right now.
 

rendezvouscp

macrumors 68000
Aug 20, 2003
1,526
0
Long Beach, California
aegisdesign said:
Not actually a reason to have to reboot as I download a new nightly safari WebKit build every couple of days. At the moment the nightly supports some of the CSS3 border-radius draft. Very nice too.

I suspect it's just easier for Apple to control the state of the machine if they can restart all the other apps they don't know about that may be using WebKit.

Incidentally, this one fixes two bugs so far that I've come across.

1) background images that are in the cache don't get reloaded on every page. That was annoying me a lot.

2) unordered lists with graphics for bullets get the offset right now.

Some of the CSS3 border-radius draft? I'd say most of the CSS3 backgrounds and borders draft, not just that specific feature.

Curious, why do you want background images to be reloaded on every page? Isn't it generally a good thing that they don't get reloaded?
-Chase
 

jim.

macrumors 6502
Dec 22, 2004
308
0
C-ville, VA
aegisdesign said:
Not actually a reason to have to reboot as I download a new nightly safari WebKit build every couple of days.
I do believe that the nightly Webkit builds that you are downloading are statically linked within the nightly safari build. Naturally, since no other apps that are running would depend on these libs, no reboot should be required.

Unfortunately, since Apple apparently has some background processes that depend on the system Webkit, a reboot is required to be sure that they all restart and begin using the updated libs. Theoretically, a well formed SIGHUP or two should be able to be sent to some of the processes to have them restart in real time. There may be another dependency problem somewhere in the tree that makes it easier to restart the computer, though. I think the same is true on a much larger scale of Quicktime updates.

Jim
 

numediaman

macrumors 6502a
Jan 5, 2004
541
0
Chicago (by way of SF)
I'm so glad there so many people eager to try and be the first to download new software. Maybe a year from now I'll consider moving to Tiger (I only moved to OSX a little over a year ago). By the time I adopt the "newest" Mac OS software it is pretty much bullet proof. As a result, I've never had Safari crash, or OSX. In fact, the only time I've ever had an issue with the OS was when I accidently opened up Internet Explorer -- cripes, I'll never do that again!

Guys, keep downloading those updates and keep reporting back on Macrumors, thanks.
 

YS2003

macrumors 68020
Dec 24, 2004
2,138
0
Finally I have arrived.....
I just downloaded the Safari 2.0.1 via Software Update. I don't know why some forum members are having problems with this update. My Safari is performing well (uneventful update). Once I am back home (I'm travelling this week), I will update my other 2 PBs (one running Panther and the other running Tiger 10.4.2 like my 12" PB I am using now).
 

jim.

macrumors 6502
Dec 22, 2004
308
0
C-ville, VA
yg17 said:
Does this update break Saft?
Kind of. Saft will not load after the update, but if you want you can edit the info.plist file in the saft bundle to change the safari version key to 412.5. If you do that, then Saft works just fine.

Jim
 

cb911

macrumors 601
Mar 12, 2002
4,128
4
BrisVegas, Australia
everything working fine for me after the update... Inquisitor loads fine as well.

i can't tell if the speed is good or not... doens't help that i'm limited to about 5kb/s. :p

also - i didn't think of a new Safari undoing all my hacks. oh well, looks like i'll have to go back in and take the brushed metal out and do the menu hack again to change back "Private Browsing" to "Porn Mode". LOL. :D ;) :p
 
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