And where is that?
I would really like to know how many duplicates of files I have due to opening them in this or that application, since it is a SEND TO command rather than an OPEN IN command.
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What is benefit of a file manager? Please Explain
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And where is that?
I would really like to know how many duplicates of files I have due to opening them in this or that application, since it is a SEND TO command rather than an OPEN IN command.
Completely agree with this. Maybe iCloud Drive will be accessible from within Mail allowing us to attach a file to an email?
Within the documents directory of the app. If you have duplicate documents, then it sounds like you have duplicate apps achieving the same purpose. iCloud Drive should alleviate a lot of this so you can have 1 place to store all your documents that any app can access.
I am no developer, thus no iOS 8 yet. One day perhaps, but my iPhone 5s might not be able to handle it due to being just a dual core phone unlike those Android hard core phones.
That method of opening a document in another app, that app copying that document for its own purposes, then deleting the original document, is quite cumbersome, but then again, the iPhone was made easy.
Sorry, a bit pissed off right now, nothing to do with you, this board, anything Apple, just those bloody piss tourists.
You clearly have absolutely no idea about what a file manager is and what it is used for, so it's no surprise that you think that it's not necessary.
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Any proper OS needs a file manager and it's purpose is, as its name suggests "managing files stored in the device".
In the current version of iOS, there isn't a common place where apps can write to or read from, so there is 0 data sharing between different apps.
For example you can't download a file, edit it with another app, and then send it as an attachment via email or open up in another app without having a separate copy of it in each app you used in the process. Also, since the apps themselves need to support the "open in..." feature in order to be able to send files to another apps (which should also have been registered as an app that can open that file in the OS), in some cases you simply can't transfer a file between apps without the help of another app such as Documents or GoodReader that can act as a hub.
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Does he need to compare it with another platform? Do you think that a file manager is a feature that's so advanced that only desktop platforms can handle it?
Android's file manager options are not perfect either but at least they solve some of the problems. It's certainly better than nothing.
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Well, since it will only work for things uploaded to the Cloud, it won't alleviate much. The feature Apple added in 8.0 to solve the file sharing issue is the Extensibility API. But as always, it will be up to devs to support it so it won't work in all apps. But considering that Apple will never add a file manager to the OS, this will be the closest thing we'll have to a file manager.
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No, that's not how it works but I don't want to appear argumentative so I'll simply offer the advice that when making a point you should have your ducks in a row. If you are a DropBox user, grab their app and give it a try. You'll find it different that what you describe.
Documents ought to be handled exactly like photos and videos already are.
Somebody decided grandma would get confused if there was a central repository for documents, like there is photos, so instead we are left with sandboxed apps, all with their own versions of the same document.
Confusing and stupid design.
Somebody decided grandma would get confused if there was a central repository for documents, like there is photos, so instead we are left with sandboxed apps, all with their own versions of the same document.
Confusing and stupid design.
Windows Phone has already file manager (called Files).
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/files/762e837f-461d-4847-8399-3526f54fc25e
It would not kill Apple to offer something like that too especially that they are thinking more seriously about enterprise customers. (IBM deal).
My ducks are fine, thanks for asking. I routinely use Dropbox, Adobe Reader and Mail on iOS devices and send PDFs in emails daily, so I don't have to "try" anything. I know with certainty that that is exactly how it works. If you have an alternate method that you've tested and proven, you are welcome to share it. If you make claims, you should be prepared to back them up with proof, rather than simply taking an opposing position without presenting facts.
Nope. And since nobody has mentioned it I'll point out that a file manager goes against the iOS security model. I suggest you and others brush up on Apple's iOS Security white paper to ensure you understand what you're asking for and why Apple has consciously chosen to not provide it.
Apple's reasons for their decision not to make the file system accessible have been well known for years. The point is that having an accessible file system would be a benefit to many user operations. The implementation would require security safeguards, to be sure, but it is achievable.
I thought iOS 8 allows apps to pull data from one another? Doesn't this solve the issue people want solved?
I just don't see Apple doing a file manager. Everything has been app centric in iOS so far and even iCloud drive is building on that idea.
I am aware that Windows mobile does have a file manager but I didn't include it in the argument because Windows mobile is sorta irrelevant these days compared to iOS vs Android.
Apple's workflow is app -> file and not file -> app like everyone is used to working. And they're not turning around on this. Files are messy.
Gotta agree here. Mail attachments are simply lame on an iPad. I don't believe there are a large amount of tasks that would be an any easier with a file manager but the few that exist are BIG items. Like the email attachment one.
Files = information = the most important part of the OS that matters to users.
A file manager gives you full control and power of those files.
Plus I prefer to launch applications from the file, i.e. click a file app launches.
Instead of iOS' way of launching apps for a file.
If you have files well organised, you'll have a much better control and overview of your information with a file manager. Plus, you can always just select them all and back them up, or move them.
A file manager gives you full control and power of those files.
Plus I prefer to launch applications from the file, i.e. click a file app launches.
Instead of iOS' way of launching apps for a file.
If you have files well organised, you'll have a much better control and overview of your information with a file manager. Plus, you can always just select them all and back them up, or move them.
How are files messy? You know if you open Pages on iOS, you have a grid of files (that can be organized into folders)? You can't avoid the files/folders metaphor - it's as simple as it gets.
Possible Solution: Apple keeps the App centric mentality for opening files AND Apple allows a viewer for the user-created documents. This viewer and can allow you to make smart folders to organize files.
Still messy. You create a document, go into your hypothetical file manager, move it, then the app doesn't know where it is and you can't remember where it is.
Instead, all apps are like silos and your app holds your documents. Apps declare what files they can open and so only those apps can see only those files.
And if necessary, a file picker (sorted by app) for emailing within an email thread.
Oh, and files aren't messy? Surely all of us know at least one person whose desktop is completely littered with documents, pictures, apps, videos...
You didn't read what I wrote - I said "Smart Folders". Smart Folders don't physically move files. There are kept intact in the original places.
People are failing to realize Apple's current way and a 'file manager' are not mutually exclusive.
I really can't believe the hypocritical arguments here against a File Manager in iOS. Most of you are acting on files/documents every day but for some reason, because the device is a tablet or phone you believe we must change our workflows when doing the exact same work.
Haha that's what I said earlier in this thread. I'm all for innovation and changing how we work but as long as we are still dealing with files, then a file manager makes the most sense. When we no longer have files, then not having a file manager makes sense.
i am so confused by apples whole approach, i dont even understand what happens with a file once its opened by an app. does every app have its own copy? what if i delete it from one app? will it be deleted everywhere? what happens if i change it in one app? will it be changed in every app? how am i supposed to know if a certain app can open a certain file? and WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL FILE???
i dont even need a "file system", just an app that has folders called "documents" "movies" or "images" ... where i can put certain file of the same project (like dropbox). how easy it would be to click on a damn file and than be asked "open with ...." and a overview of all apps that can open it.
i dont even need a "file system", just an app that has folders called "documents" "movies" or "images" ... where i can put certain file of the same project (like dropbox). how easy it would be to click on a damn file and than be asked "open with ...." and a overview of all apps that can open it.
Why?
Those are completely different devices for completely different tasks. How you use/interact with a desktop machine doesn't inform how you use/interact with a handheld mobile device such as a phone (something which Microsoft has yet to figure out).
I really wish Apple would at least introduce a rudimentary file system like on Android where it would be possible to simply drag and drop let's say a movie from your computer to the iPad without having to first transfer it to iTunes and then sync. That adds an unnecessary step and makes one not even want to bother doing it because of the added time it takes for no added benefit.