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iTunes on Motorola Phones
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i wonder if i'll ever be using apple's click wheel to dial a telephone number. how well would that work? just dreaming of new designs.
iMeowbot said:
I guess the issue really is what you call quicktime. Ok, they have ported the DRM and the audio decoder, possibly with help from code they had.
I for example wouldn't call the darwin streaming server a "quicktime port", eventhough it has small parts of quicktime code in it.
Desktop quicktime is much more, in additition to a bunch of encoders and decoders, but it sound like you are knew that.
Lancetx said:
You're listing AOHell as worthy? I'd put it in the chumps category.
Anyway...
http://www.iphone.org
Interesting, eh?
While the licensing will no doubt be successful for both Apple and Motorola, wouldn't Apple be better off just to find a way to produce a high-end iPod with a cell phone built in? The logical way would be some sort of physical metaphor with a rotary dial -- though most of the iPod target audience likely has little or no experience with rotary dialing, so designwise rotary emulation might be more of an implementation of physical constraints than a feature. Having to drag from one point to another on the touchwheel to input a number would be a good failsafe to try to prevent butt calls, but with the adoption of the click wheel for the white iPod, there is plenty on the wheel already. People buy Apple hardware because of elegant design -- overloading one control is confusing. A mic could be included between the screen and wheel at any rate, though this would rightfully leave Belkin and Griffin rather upset.
So for dialing, that leaves a few options:
1. Dial address book entries only, and no means of producing tones for menu systems -- so you can forget voicemail, which is mostly essential for cellular.
2. Buttons around the scroll wheel, not unlike the Nokia 3650, I suppose. This would allow numeric input for the dialing system (though not prohibiting dialing per #1) as well as Touch Tone generation for menu systems. Buttons would have to be touch buttons to maintain the beneficial lack of moving parts and large enough for practical use.
3. TouchTone keypad on the back, perhaps as a slide-down of some sort (but then that becomes jammed . Again, no moving buttons that can become stuck et cetera. Again, #1 is not rendered impossible by this.
Of the three, #2 seems the best option if it could be done correctly. Or iTunes could be licensed to a cellular company, which is no doubt cheaper for all parties involved and produces a better end product.
This will probably not cannibalize iPod sales much because fancy cell phones are rather expensive and this doesn't sound like it'll have anywhere near as much storage per dollar as an iPod (which has so much room that most can only conceivably fill it legally if they are using it for data backup etc. as well), if people are buying it rather than other cell phones primarily for music abilities.
Bearing in mind the complexity of the above listed alternatives and relatively small market for adding a telephone to the iPod, this seems to be the best course of action...as I imagine that there are plenty of people who will want to buy it.
So for dialing, that leaves a few options:
1. Dial address book entries only, and no means of producing tones for menu systems -- so you can forget voicemail, which is mostly essential for cellular.
2. Buttons around the scroll wheel, not unlike the Nokia 3650, I suppose. This would allow numeric input for the dialing system (though not prohibiting dialing per #1) as well as Touch Tone generation for menu systems. Buttons would have to be touch buttons to maintain the beneficial lack of moving parts and large enough for practical use.
3. TouchTone keypad on the back, perhaps as a slide-down of some sort (but then that becomes jammed . Again, no moving buttons that can become stuck et cetera. Again, #1 is not rendered impossible by this.
Of the three, #2 seems the best option if it could be done correctly. Or iTunes could be licensed to a cellular company, which is no doubt cheaper for all parties involved and produces a better end product.
This will probably not cannibalize iPod sales much because fancy cell phones are rather expensive and this doesn't sound like it'll have anywhere near as much storage per dollar as an iPod (which has so much room that most can only conceivably fill it legally if they are using it for data backup etc. as well), if people are buying it rather than other cell phones primarily for music abilities.
Bearing in mind the complexity of the above listed alternatives and relatively small market for adding a telephone to the iPod, this seems to be the best course of action...as I imagine that there are plenty of people who will want to buy it.
Nokia, get Real.mullmann said:
I think Apple agreed to get with Moto because Moto phone designs are the nicest, IMO. Sony would probably use ATRAC3 anyway, so that wouldn't have worked. Plus they don't look as nice. They ARE better with Mac's, though, which is why it doesn't make sense? Will Apple and Moto make the V600 compatible with Macs as a token gesture of peace and harmony (ever!?!)?
Stella said:
Don't be surprised. I come from the homeland of Nokia mobile phones, and I've used a Mac for my whole life. Nokia just doesn't care about Macs/Apple. SonyEricsson have got a good relationship with Apple, so I guess they could've done the same what Motorola's doing.
On Nokia phones, I'm not sure but IIRC they have only recently (1-3 years) provided compatibility at all with a Mac. Still SonyEricsson's sync much better.
Wow, so apple is now developing for 4 OSs - OSX, Windows, iPod's OS, & Motorola's OS.
I've said this before: I could see apple getting into the mobile phone OS business. There's an incredible amount of growth to be done with mobile phones. Could you imagine what it would be like to navigate a cell phone with an iPod interface?
I've said this before: I could see apple getting into the mobile phone OS business. There's an incredible amount of growth to be done with mobile phones. Could you imagine what it would be like to navigate a cell phone with an iPod interface?
To the moron posting above, the new Moto phone looks ridiculously cool. For some of us, design is worth $700. The phone has no new features beyond the v600 except that the v600 is a behemoth and so-so looking. The v3 is gorgeous. I want one.
To everyone, this announcement is big. It's a harbinger. Do people still believe The Big Lie (tm) that Apple is doing all this music store stuff to sell iPods? I have a bridge to sell you if you do.
To everyone, this announcement is big. It's a harbinger. Do people still believe The Big Lie (tm) that Apple is doing all this music store stuff to sell iPods? I have a bridge to sell you if you do.
Main questions:
This news brief tells us nothing about whether these are iDEN or GSM or TDMA or 3G phones, or where they'll be released, or whether this will be a firmware update to existing phones or whether there'll be brand new handsets, or anything. For the "no hard feelings" people, I think it's quite a stretch to equate Moto the mobile phone maker to Moto the microprocessor maker. Of course there's no hard feelings, they're totally different divisions of a huge corporation and Apple wants to make more money.
With those questions unanswered this isn't so exciting yet.
This news brief tells us nothing about whether these are iDEN or GSM or TDMA or 3G phones, or where they'll be released, or whether this will be a firmware update to existing phones or whether there'll be brand new handsets, or anything. For the "no hard feelings" people, I think it's quite a stretch to equate Moto the mobile phone maker to Moto the microprocessor maker. Of course there's no hard feelings, they're totally different divisions of a huge corporation and Apple wants to make more money.
With those questions unanswered this isn't so exciting yet.
does anyone know what OS motorola uses? isn't it embedded linux? As there si no quicktime or itunes for linux, couldn't this be step towards linux support. Having said that, I'm not so sure there has/will be a itunes port for this, not the full version anyway. Apple already has a version of iTunes that works well on low powered, small devices and thats the iTunes already in the iPod. It'll probably be the iPod version that gets ported to linux or whatever is being used, or maybe moto has agreed to use whatever os is in the ipod and apple/moto/whoever makes the os are expanding it to add more apps. With these smart phones having camera support, it's not too much of a strech to imagine apple porting a iphoto mini of some sort that manages the images on the phone and auto downloads them into albums on iphoto when the phone is being synced. While they are at it, iChat to some sort of sms support would be nice, with rendezvous...sorry..OpenTalk support.
Hopefully this will spread to other phones quickly. I wouldn't be so sure about sony eriksson using atrac, them and sony are very much independent.
Hopefully this will spread to other phones quickly. I wouldn't be so sure about sony eriksson using atrac, them and sony are very much independent.
That was embarrassing to watch the keynote. Cheesy conversation and a bunch of demos didn't even work and needed a backup? Why hasn't the CEO of a phone company ever had a video conference? What the hell kind of preparation or even thought was put into that? The camera work even sucked.
Steve really is a very good speaker. I have never seen another demo nearly as good as Apples EVER. You are going to Alaska ha ha ha ha ha ha?
Steve Ballmer on the other hand.....
Steve really is a very good speaker. I have never seen another demo nearly as good as Apples EVER. You are going to Alaska ha ha ha ha ha ha?
Steve Ballmer on the other hand.....
The only real application for this that I can see at the moment, is on 3G handsets. Maybe if they have a mobile iTunes Music Store, with downloadable songs over 3g? The networks can cope because people download ringtones at the moment.
If the handsets have minimum 512mb ram then this would probably take off.
The market is currently too saturated with mobile phone handsets that can already play mp3's etc and isn't a really advertised feature.
Motorola arn't renound for the best or nicest looking of mobile phones in the market. Apple should, once they have test with Motorola, be looking to people like Samsung, LG etc.. to make this more widespread.
If the handsets have minimum 512mb ram then this would probably take off.
The market is currently too saturated with mobile phone handsets that can already play mp3's etc and isn't a really advertised feature.
Motorola arn't renound for the best or nicest looking of mobile phones in the market. Apple should, once they have test with Motorola, be looking to people like Samsung, LG etc.. to make this more widespread.
So does that phone pictured above with the Star Trek interface use the keypad screen for displaying video too, or is it hard coded to have just the keypad on?
I only ask because if it is a multifunctional screen, a future version could draw itself an iPod style scroll wheel there instead of numbers when iTunes was active could it not?
I only ask because if it is a multifunctional screen, a future version could draw itself an iPod style scroll wheel there instead of numbers when iTunes was active could it not?
You can't see it in that picture, but it's a cut metal keypad. The pretty colors are backlighting.leenoble said:
That would be cute but not Apple-ish. I'd expect them to make it act as much as possible like the rest of the phone's functions.
You can get a better look at the V3 keypad here. Click on the "reveal more" link.
G4-power said:
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Last I read, SE has a great relationship with Apple, plus SE phones are the only phones that reliably interface with the Mac, unlike Moto phones. My K700i works beautifully with my TiBook via iSync.
Strong competitor for Flash card MP3 players
I will figure that would be the beginning of the end of flash card MP3 players, which Apple would compete in. The motorola phone with MP3 ability can certainly replace those players that can only hold less than a hundred songs
I will figure that would be the beginning of the end of flash card MP3 players, which Apple would compete in. The motorola phone with MP3 ability can certainly replace those players that can only hold less than a hundred songs