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iTunes on Motorola Phones
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Maybe Motorola and Apple could talk about getting iSync to work for Mot's v300, v400, v500 and v600 phones too. 
To those who wonder why not Nokia:
You will see this capability in Nokia phones. I wouldn't worry about it.
You will see this capability in Nokia phones. I wouldn't worry about it.
csimmons said:
Nice to hear. Does it work out-of-the-box or does it need some updates?
SE states that K700i is Apple compatible, but on the other hand Apple does not list it as an iSync compatible device. I tried it in a store and did not get it working easily with my powerbook and chose to buy (a big
Nokia 6600 instead.I probably just made some silly error during the setup, as I was not familiar with iSync or Bluetooth before, but I got that Nokia working, although the syncing is damn slow.
Windowlicker said:
Nokia has just started revamping their approach to software in support of its phones, as well as software running on top of Symbian (until now, they've focussed on Symbian and on Windows support for it - and the reason for Windows support is primarily that Nokia doesn't really know how to do non-phone software, and Windows was the easiest thing to get to work and provided the biggest bang for the buck). So I wouldn't be surprised to see (1) better applications and application support, and (2) more platforms with access to the phones.
One reason? SavaJe. They have a working J2SE (yes, standard edition, not J2ME) platform running on a number of phones, from Moto to Sony/Ericsson to Nokia to Samsung. It's not a rumor. I saw it on a Nokia 3650 - Swing on a 3650. Pretty cool. I live about 15 miles from them, and a neighbor works for them and showed me the phone after they announced the platform support last month or so.
So... SavaJe allows operators to stop caring about where they get their phones, since they can just run the same J2SE apps on any of them. Nokia is most affected, because they are so tightly tied into Symbian, and, if Symbian ceases to matter, Nokia's phones cease to matter unless they start catching in some of the area that they've fallen short. So expect Nokia to actually start listening to customer needs and wants instead of just making whatever and assuming it'd be purchased.
Apple had no choice but to do this. They know this is the next step.
People don't carry video players in their pockets, but they do carry
phones. Sony-Ericsson will probably announce a Similar thing that
works with the Sony-music service. This is Apple just trying to stay
ahead in the game.
besides, Ipods already sync with Addressbook and ical. it's only logical
that the future ipods will have phone capabilities.
www.iphone.org still links to the Apple website!
People don't carry video players in their pockets, but they do carry
phones. Sony-Ericsson will probably announce a Similar thing that
works with the Sony-music service. This is Apple just trying to stay
ahead in the game.
besides, Ipods already sync with Addressbook and ical. it's only logical
that the future ipods will have phone capabilities.
www.iphone.org still links to the Apple website!
jj2003 said:Nice to hear. Does it work out-of-the-box or does it need some updates?
SE states that K700i is Apple compatible, but on the other hand Apple does not list it as an iSync compatible device. I tried it in a store and did not get it working easily with my powerbook and chose to buy (a big
I probably just made some silly error during the setup, as I was not familiar with iSync or Bluetooth before, but I got that Nokia working, although the syncing is damn slow.
S700i (K700i) isn't currently implemented in iSync. You should have waited as SE phones are much better than Nokia.
I think this is the best iTunes/iPod news I've heard in a long time. I think, in the long run, people will start using their phones to listen to Music and view video content. Currently, storage space is a limitation. However, with hard drives becoming smaller and more power efficient, eventually phones will make great multi purpose multimedia devices. Apple should get a major presence in this market while it's still developing. Anything that pushes AAC and fairplay is a win for Apple.
Disappointing News, I swore to myself that I would never purchase another Motorola product again.
I would have hoped the deal was with Symbian as that would have been a better base to start with given the larger variety of higher quality phones available from Sony-Ericsson and Nokia.
I would have hoped the deal was with Symbian as that would have been a better base to start with given the larger variety of higher quality phones available from Sony-Ericsson and Nokia.
apple *has* a NEW PDA, but...
Jobs: Apple developed, but did not ship Apple PDA
By Kasper Jade
Published: Monday, June 7, 2004
AppleInsider Exclusive:
Speaking from the Wall Street Journal's D: All Things Digital conference this afternoon in Carlsbad, Apple CEO Steve Jobs made a number of interesting statements. Most notably, Jobs confirmed that Apple had designed its own PDA device, but canned the project just prior to bringing it to market....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=484
themacrobaye said:
Jobs: Apple developed, but did not ship Apple PDA
By Kasper Jade
Published: Monday, June 7, 2004
AppleInsider Exclusive:
Speaking from the Wall Street Journal's D: All Things Digital conference this afternoon in Carlsbad, Apple CEO Steve Jobs made a number of interesting statements. Most notably, Jobs confirmed that Apple had designed its own PDA device, but canned the project just prior to bringing it to market....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=484
kotovasii said:
I still think that quote was quite ambiguous. All he states there is that they didn't ship one - did he ever specifically state Apple had designed or built one?
Jobs has commented several times on his reluctance to enter the PDA market - perhaps this is nothing more then him saying "we're glad we didn't".
Ring tones, oh my...
From what I understand, Ringtones ARE a huge and gigantic market.
Something like $1.5 billion this year projected (Maybe next year?).
I read a story about some software that made ringtones out of normal MP3s and put them on your phone, and naturally they were sued.
People seem to love to spend money on a song for their phone.
Imagine, if you will, instead of going to your carrier's ring-ring page, you just boot up iTunes on your phone and download your songs straight there.
You could have all the AAC rings you want!
... Probably unlikely...
No doubt the Cingulars and Verizons of the world wouldn't want someone else cutting into their $2-a-download stuff for 99¢.
And probably the RIAA would want to start its own Mp3-ring store.
Oh well, it was fun while it laster.
From what I understand, Ringtones ARE a huge and gigantic market.
Something like $1.5 billion this year projected (Maybe next year?).
I read a story about some software that made ringtones out of normal MP3s and put them on your phone, and naturally they were sued.
People seem to love to spend money on a song for their phone.
Imagine, if you will, instead of going to your carrier's ring-ring page, you just boot up iTunes on your phone and download your songs straight there.
You could have all the AAC rings you want!
... Probably unlikely...
No doubt the Cingulars and Verizons of the world wouldn't want someone else cutting into their $2-a-download stuff for 99¢.
And probably the RIAA would want to start its own Mp3-ring store.
Oh well, it was fun while it laster.
How long before we are using iTMS to buy tunes for our home doorbells, tunes for our microwave buzzers, tunes for our bedside alarm clocks, and tunes for our automobile horns?
danieluk said:
Did that to me, and I just paused and pressed play and then it played fine. I too thought it was an awful keynote, especially when the CEO guy was like 'now i'm going to do this keynote all by myself' as though the fact that the CEO of motorola could now finally use motorola phones was something worth boasting about, and then in the end he didn't even do it himself anyway!! It's like if your own CEO finds your phones hard to use, what is the general public supposed to do!??!
Memory on phones
So how many songs will you be able to get on a phone? Will the phones use swapable memory cards? Seems a phone with enought memory to hold a decent amount of songs will cost more then an ipod mini.
I'm betting on a iphod (iphone)
So how many songs will you be able to get on a phone? Will the phones use swapable memory cards? Seems a phone with enought memory to hold a decent amount of songs will cost more then an ipod mini.
I'm betting on a iphod (iphone)
nullcc said:
In Europe (the most mature mobile phone market) ringtones are worth l-o-a-d-s of money, and the iTMS Europe was expected to sell them when it launched. Loads of companies sell them besides the network carriers - for example, all the music channels (ie. channels like MTV except they actually play music videos) are full of ringtone adverts, and they now sell those mini-sized CDs (the ones you get on top of drinks in the US, the same sized ones that won't work on a slot-loading CD-Drive, they're the same size as GameCube game discs) as CD Singles that include ringtones to download onto your phone in an effort to boost sales.
However, the ringtone market is expected shrink as more and more people figure out that the latest phones will play MP3s as ringtones, which means that basically it'll cost people nothing to use any ringtone they like. Given the fact that the iTMS is going to be built into the most fancy phones, you'll prolly be able to use iTMS songs as ringtones themselves.
However, it does surprise me that you can't buy iTMS songs from your phone - this service has been offered in the UK for a while now on O2 (http://www.o2.co.uk/o2-digital-music-player.html) and is also being offered by Orange and T-Mobile in the UK (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16956). You can also download clips from MTV onto your mobile from three's 3G network http://www.three.co.uk/explore/services3/mtv.omp
iphod?
If they can pack 2GB onto a compact flash card now, or I've seen 1GB on one of those crazy little pen drives, that's a decent number of songs right there, especially just for ringtones. And what else are you going to do with music on a phone? Probably not listen to it on the crappy external speaker (if the phone even has one), and certainly not plug in one of those hands-free devices and listen to songs in only one ear.
I can see how all this talk would lead some to believe there might be an iPod/phone or some similar device eventually. But the problem is that by-in-large these swiss army knife multi-function devices haven't really taken off, mostly due to price and also size. Sure, there are those that use them, particularly businesspeople, but John Q. Consumer doesn't want to buy a device the size of a PDA (or an mp3 player, in this case) and use it for their cell phone every day, because it's just too bulky. I'd sure like to see Apple give it a try, but it likely will not happen.
Lastly, if this device ever does come to market, they would certainly not call it an "iPhod" as you suggest. It sounds like a noise a person might make when deathly ill, which leads me to think it wouldn't be easily marketable. Let's stick with iPhone, shall we? Especially since Apple turns out to have iphone.org on their servers. If anything on this thread could make me to start to sway in the direction of Apple EVER releasing a cellular device, that would be it. Very cool, thanks to danieluk and agentmouthwash for that gem of information.
All for now,
-Joe
ericmooreart said:So how many songs will you be able to get on a phone? Will the phones use swapable memory cards? Seems a phone with enought memory to hold a decent amount of songs will cost more then an ipod mini.
I'm betting on a iphod (iphone)
If they can pack 2GB onto a compact flash card now, or I've seen 1GB on one of those crazy little pen drives, that's a decent number of songs right there, especially just for ringtones. And what else are you going to do with music on a phone? Probably not listen to it on the crappy external speaker (if the phone even has one), and certainly not plug in one of those hands-free devices and listen to songs in only one ear.
I can see how all this talk would lead some to believe there might be an iPod/phone or some similar device eventually. But the problem is that by-in-large these swiss army knife multi-function devices haven't really taken off, mostly due to price and also size. Sure, there are those that use them, particularly businesspeople, but John Q. Consumer doesn't want to buy a device the size of a PDA (or an mp3 player, in this case) and use it for their cell phone every day, because it's just too bulky. I'd sure like to see Apple give it a try, but it likely will not happen.
Lastly, if this device ever does come to market, they would certainly not call it an "iPhod" as you suggest. It sounds like a noise a person might make when deathly ill, which leads me to think it wouldn't be easily marketable. Let's stick with iPhone, shall we? Especially since Apple turns out to have iphone.org on their servers. If anything on this thread could make me to start to sway in the direction of Apple EVER releasing a cellular device, that would be it. Very cool, thanks to danieluk and agentmouthwash for that gem of information.
All for now,
-Joe
agentmouthwash said:
Although, this article (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2724432) in the Economist has a reason why they wouldn't -
"They are also, says Dr Bull, far more selective about answering their mobile phones. That suggests that adding phone functionality to the iPod would be a bad idea, since it would facilitate intrusion."
though i will try my hardest to only by a cell phone that acts like a cell phone, this is a good move on the part of apple!!! i think this is a much better move than creating an iPod with a built in cell phone!