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Who left Lion, and reverted to SL?

Who reverted to SL after using Lion?

  • Sticking with Lion

    Votes: 615 67.1%

  • Downgraded to Snow Leopard

    Votes: 301 32.9%
  • Total voters
    916
sandimacd said:
When I downgraded to SL, I actually felt compelled to sit down and work again. I was smiling. I was productive. I was once again in my own little Mac-Heaven.*
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My return to SL had an evil twist. I got tired of Lion's slow response, sluggishness, ugly interface and tendency to beachball on every application that has a database (PS 5, A3, iTunes, even iPhoto).

After building a SL install on a separate HD using the retail SL disc + the combo 10.6.8 + all updates my again MP developed fairly regular kernel panics after working with either Aperture 3 or PS 5 for. While SL was so much better to work with than Lion the kernel panics were too much to deal with. Reinstalling the latest combo didn't help.

I zapped the HD and installed SL from the grey MP install disc + the combo 10.6.8 + all updates. I also made sure that I was very selective in moving apps and data folders from Lion in case there were kernel issues created by the slight differences between the OSs. Same problem!

Now I'm back on Lion with its fugly iCal, Mail and Address Book. Fortunately the lack of Save As doesn't matter much because I use Office 2011. If I get ambitious maybe I'll rebuild the SL HD and stop at the MP's install disc 10.6.4 for awhile. I never had a kernel panic under 10.6.8, maybe it's that last 10.6 security update that did it.
 
Same procedure

Scottsjack, I followed your install pattern as well. I purchased PSE 10 after I put Lion over the newly intalled SL because my PSE 4 didn't work in Lion. It was quite confusing to learn and had no bridge so I then purchased A3. With A3 I got so many hangups and dropped connections that I began dreading my photo projects. That and the version thing and having to constantly unlock my files in order to edit them was making me miserable. When I returned to SL I again used A3 and was surprised that I still got beachballs. So I went back to PSE. I did a lot of research before purchasing A3 and expected to be a happy user. I am sure my experience isn't the norm. I am back to PSE and once again loving my photo projects.
 
I digress.

I tried lion again this week, as it is getting closer to June and the forced MM move.

Well, I am again back to SL. Lion is such a miserable experience in so many areas that I was quickly tired of finding solutions and rebooting.

Machine slower
Finder crashing
Spinning wheel
Mail corruption and lags
VMware hogging memory
Rebooting every few hours

I give. Waiting until ML and preying it just works.
I will say that when finder was not crashing, it did see my shared folder structure better than 10.7.2.

I absolutely despise this OS. F it, I am never trying it again. I am just going to back up my MM at the time, and wait it out. May even run the betas if they are stable enough.

Argghh
 
tigres said:
I digress.

I tried lion again this week, as it is getting closer to June and the forced MM move.

Well, I am again back to SL. Lion is such a miserable experience in so many areas that I was quickly tired of finding solutions and rebooting.

Machine slower
Finder crashing
Spinning wheel
Mail corruption and lags
VMware hogging memory
Rebooting every few hours

I give. Waiting until ML and preying it just works.
I will say that when finder was not crashing, it did see my shared folder structure better than 10.7.2.

I absolutely despise this OS. F it, I am never trying it again. I am just going to back up my MM at the time, and wait it out. May even run the betas if they are stable enough.

Argghh
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Huh. I have to wonder what is causing the six issues you're reporting with Lion, as I am not having any of those at the moment.
 
tigres said:
I digress.

I tried lion again this week, as it is getting closer to June and the forced MM move.

Well, I am again back to SL. Lion is such a miserable experience in so many areas that I was quickly tired of finding solutions and rebooting.

Machine slower
Finder crashing
Spinning wheel
Mail corruption and lags
VMware hogging memory
Rebooting every few hours

I give. Waiting until ML and preying it just works.
I will say that when finder was not crashing, it did see my shared folder structure better than 10.7.2.

I absolutely despise this OS. F it, I am never trying it again. I am just going to back up my MM at the time, and wait it out. May even run the betas if they are stable enough.

Argghh
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I am still on SL too, so you wont be the only one making the jump straight to ML, for what ever that will be worth. We could go on waiting for a lot longer, but at some point I might as well upgrade.
 
tigres said:
I digress.

I tried lion again this week, as it is getting closer to June and the forced MM move.

Well, I am again back to SL. Lion is such a miserable experience in so many areas that I was quickly tired of finding solutions and rebooting.

Machine slower
Finder crashing
Spinning wheel
Mail corruption and lags
VMware hogging memory
Rebooting every few hours

I give. Waiting until ML and preying it just works.
I will say that when finder was not crashing, it did see my shared folder structure better than 10.7.2.

I absolutely despise this OS. F it, I am never trying it again. I am just going to back up my MM at the time, and wait it out. May even run the betas if they are stable enough.

Argghh
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I put ML on my "development machine" over top of Snow Leopard and it was S-L-O-W. It was dog slow. Then I came back a few days later and Spotlight had finished its indexing and everything was fine. Not quite as fast as SL but respectable. Wiping SL while Spotlight is still spinning is doing yourself a disservice. Walk away and let Spotlight finish indexing before you bail on Lion. BTW, ML promises to be a bit slower than Lion, hence Apple voting older Intel hardware "off the island" so skipping Lion for ML might not provide you the best experience in the long run.

While the spinning wheel could be chalked up to Spotlight , could you elaborate on finder crashing? I use Totalfinder on my Lion machine and I have had it crash once or twice after Software Update ran but it's been stable otherwise.

I have had problems with Chrome running out of control. The toomanytabs extension (coupled with dragging a lot of tabs to the "suspend" area so my active tab count has gone from 104 to 37) has solved that problem and I'm not having to restart Chrome every couple of weeks.
 
I wish I had never upgraded to Lion. I want to revert to Snow Leopard so badly but the thought of all the hassle scares me. I browsed this particular sub forum and found the litany of complaints just so sad and pathetic. There are so many things wrong with this OS on so many levels. My MacBook used to be a thing of joy, now it is one of compromise and regret.

I hope that Apple's decision to release Mountain Lion so early is kind of a tacit acknowledgement that Lion disappoints and they are trying to fix things before it goes out of hand, as with Microsoft's Vista.

Hopefully.
 
Can't take my Mini to SL since I don't have the second mac needed to do it. Lion isn't bad, it just isn't very good. And ML will be the first OSX that I will wait to install until at least the first step upgrade. My fear is that ML will be as bad, if not worse than Lion.
 
Waiting it out

I will wait it out. I'm not optimistic that ML will be the OS ticket that returns control of the Mac to me but to be fair I will stay tuned. I managed with XP for 10 years, past Vista and it's still going strong on a laptop. I replaced my other PCs with 2 Macs running SL so figure I can wait it out another 5-7 years and see what direction Apple has in mind. I hope they eventually "get it"-- that not everyone wants a device like the iPods, iPads and Macs with the OS tethered to iCloud. Yeah, it is convenient and perfect for students and employees that need to be monitored and synced but that's not me. At least not yet. I like the middle ground SL offers.
 
can't really think of anything else at the moment other than the iCloud features (which could have easily been made available on SL).
 
Tried Lion twice, didn't like it at all. Now, I'm back on SL. I guess I'll just keep using SL until my machine dies.
 
I'm not missing out on features

Lion offers the sync features by way of iCloud with iTouch, iPhone and iPad. It syncs calendar, contacts, photos, music, apps, bookmarks, notes and other preferences as determined by user and Apple-subject to change.
I use Google to sync because I want contacts and calendar syncs between my user account and my husbands user account. We are retired and this way either of us can add our modify from our devices and it syncs across the 2 users accounts, iCloud only syncs between devices within one user account.
Also, whenever Apple makes OS sync changes, it makes me scramble to figure out how to retain what I have set up. Lion syncing of identical desktops, bookmarks, etc is a hassle for me to undo. My MM is dedicated to store and photo display images on a TV (like a picture frame). It also stores my music to stream to the Apple TV. It doesnt need to sync or mirror the iMac which handles home management, email and web activities. Neither need to mirror or sync anything with my MBA which is used for my rare travel since retirement.
They all run swiftly on SL so I don't gain a thing with Lion except problem solving and a learning curve.
 
sandimacd said:
I will wait it out. I'm not optimistic that ML will be the OS ticket that returns control of the Mac to me but to be fair I will stay tuned. I managed with XP for 10 years, past Vista and it's still going strong on a laptop.
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I too will be riding out the storm. Lion and it's all too soon successor Mountain Lion only offer bags of hurt for me with my "obscenely obsolete outdated software architecture" and the loss of things I use on a regular basis like scroll bars, Expose, Save As, and the lovely Aqua colors.
 
Thread on Apple changing SL Expose

KnightWRX said:
It's funny because everytime someone posts this or comments about Snow Leopard's expose being the bestest, I'm reminded of all these threads :
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/777760/
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That thread makes me wonder about the changes. The next versions always seem to require frustrated user adaptation, sometimes worse. New users don't know any different and love it. Over time the updates get it back to running smoothly. Once it becomes stable- well time for another round of change offering less user control, more buried at least. Can't help but wonder whether revenues and sales are a higher priority. Easy solution- let those that love it, buy it and those that don't enjoy it stick to what they have.

I still have that sinking feeling that Apple is changing it's focus away from Mac computers and moving toward cloud-tethered devices. And that seems to be a good market strategy- there is a huge demand. The actual computer may go the way of the vintage car- really not much an average consumer can tweak or modify or repair anymore. It won't require manuals to learn about care, just buy a device instead and you're off and running. I'm not saying that's a bad way to go, it's sensible for the majority. The loss is only painful for those of us that grew up with a "real" computer.
 
sandimacd said:
That thread makes me wonder about the changes. The next versions always seem to require frustrated user adaptation, sometimes worse. New users don't know any different and love it. Over time the updates get it back to running smoothly. Once it becomes stable-
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Did you read the thread ? They never "fixed" the Snow Leopard Expose. Same as they will never "fix" Lion's expose. It's gone. People need to deal, just like they needed to deal with the Snow Leopard expose being "not as good" as Leopard's.
 
I'm really happy with Lion. There were lots of big changes (I started using a Mac when 10.6 was out) that took some getting used to, but overall I think most of the Lion changes are for the better.

Excited for the ML changes too, they're integrating things I've been really itching for and the app store...makes shopping for software fun.
 
Picked up a Mini Server last week, w/10.6.8 osX server- not Lion:D

Actually liking it, but it's a learning curve from a Windows server. Be that as it may, my office client machines are still on SL, and preying that ML is a mountain time(s) better than Lion.

I hate to have to upgrade to iCloud from MM; counting the days....:(
 
tigres said:
Picked up a Mini Server last week, w/10.6.8 osX server- not Lion:D

Actually liking it, but it's a learning curve from a Windows server. Be that as it may, my office client machines are still on SL, and preying that ML is a mountain time(s) better than Lion.

I hate to have to upgrade to iCloud from MM; counting the days....:(
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I have only used Server versions up to Leopard Server. I've never tried SL Server or Lion Server. That said... I liked Leopard Server quite a bit. I hope Mountain Lion Server turns out just as good. ;)
 
I've got an early 2011 MBP and installed Lion as soon as it came out. I didn't mind the changes and could get used to them. However, the issue I had was that it was a tad slower to boot and a second or two slower to launch applications.

So I formatted and went back to SL.

With the updates to Lion did this get sorted? I'm tempted to give it another guy now.
 
KnightWRX said:
Did you read the thread ? They never "fixed" the Snow Leopard Expose. Same as they will never "fix" Lion's expose. It's gone. People need to deal, just like they needed to deal with the Snow Leopard expose being "not as good" as Leopard's.
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Actually, the best way to "deal" with Snow Leopard Expose was to install the 10.6 Beta Dock hack. So, in general, the best way to deal with Apple's poor design decisions in Lion is to not upgrade to it.

Adaption != Adoption
 
klaxamazoo said:
Actually, the best way to "deal" with Snow Leopard Expose was to install the 10.6 Beta Dock hack. So, in general, the best way to deal with Apple's poor design decisions in Lion is to not upgrade to it.

Adaption != Adoption
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Shame you can't use that hack in Lion

Thankfully, ReSpace app was bought by the same company that makes TotalFinder, now TotalSpaces. You don't need to buy it yet, it is still in beta and had an update today. When 1.0 is released it will be a $12 license to have 10.5/6 Spaces in Lion, and the developer is working on bringing Exposé back as well. So far it's a fantastic app!!

TotalSpaces
 

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