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Who left Lion, and reverted to SL?
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Not sure if google calendar is a web app, but In some places I don't always have internet access.
It's an ical link I use on my MacBook, iPhone and iPad and the calendar apps. A change to the calendar on one device is mirrored across them all. But then I was doing this before Lion on my Apple kit
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Back to SL.
Lion is, like ALL Mac OSX upgrades since 10.3, a mess. It's going to be useable around summer, maybe early fall. At the moment, it hangs in some of the basic programs and has bugtastic WiFi on my system.
If you need stability, NEVER upgrade your OSX for at least 6-9 months after initial launch. They all get good after that time frame and when the next launches, the current is great. Anyone saying otherwise either has limited uses for their Macs or is lying. I'm an Apple user since 1981--seen it all.
Lion is, like ALL Mac OSX upgrades since 10.3, a mess. It's going to be useable around summer, maybe early fall. At the moment, it hangs in some of the basic programs and has bugtastic WiFi on my system.
If you need stability, NEVER upgrade your OSX for at least 6-9 months after initial launch. They all get good after that time frame and when the next launches, the current is great. Anyone saying otherwise either has limited uses for their Macs or is lying. I'm an Apple user since 1981--seen it all.
I reverted to SL twice, due to Safari/Juniper VPN issues. I'm currently running Lion and all seems well with the universe. Peers had zero issues once they went with Lion, which made me wonder if I had hardware issues. I did nothing different during the last upgrade, but it's "just working" now.
Lion's problems are beyond normal bugs... for me its mainly ridiculous feature implementation.
Anyone running the new update (when the time arrives for playing on it for you all)
- Resolve issues authenticating with directory services
- Address compatibility issues with Windows file sharing
Let me know how these go, appreciate it much.
- Resolve issues authenticating with directory services
- Address compatibility issues with Windows file sharing
Let me know how these go, appreciate it much.
One (to me major) improvement with 10.7.3: CMD-shift-S for Duplicate. Check it out- keyboard shortcuts are back in style. Now if only CMD-d for "Don't Save" was also enabled...
Also, it seems like TextEdit launch problems are gone. I was getting 25 second beachballing upon opening the app (multiple fresh installs on SSD, notebook HD, iMac).
iCal + AddressBook are still IMHO ugly, Versions and Autosave is as useless (to me) as ever, and the Duplicate workflow is longer and clumsier than before, but a tiny bit better thanks to a proper Duplicate keyboard shortcut.
To me, 10.7.3 is a tiny step forward from 10.7.2, but a TextEdit app that doesn't beachball on open is not exactly an update feature to be proud of at this stage of the game, six months after release.
Still on my wishlist:
-Autosave optional by app
-Versions optional by app
-keyboard shortcut for "Don't Save" in the dialog box
-optional less ugly ical/addressbook skins.
I'm not touching Lion on any computer I actually use for work until 10.7.4, and even then only if there's an Autosave on/off switch. Failing that, it's time to start looking seriously at non OS X installs for the next machines we add (and I get for myself). The good news: Avoiding Lion has already saved me over $1000 by forcing me to stick with my older MacBook Air instead of getting a new one for the better sound, better battery and extra snappiness.
Nuts that I want to buy a new Mac and for the sake of trying to force a few features I don't want/need Apple has given me good reasons not to.
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Yeah, many of the Lion concepts seem pretty good but it's like the Detroit concept cars that show "Tomorrow's Family Car" with ultra-tinted slit windows and running on rubber bands. Looks good to the designer but not at all what you need to get to the grocery store or for a trip on the highway to the office.
Also, it seems like TextEdit launch problems are gone. I was getting 25 second beachballing upon opening the app (multiple fresh installs on SSD, notebook HD, iMac).
iCal + AddressBook are still IMHO ugly, Versions and Autosave is as useless (to me) as ever, and the Duplicate workflow is longer and clumsier than before, but a tiny bit better thanks to a proper Duplicate keyboard shortcut.
To me, 10.7.3 is a tiny step forward from 10.7.2, but a TextEdit app that doesn't beachball on open is not exactly an update feature to be proud of at this stage of the game, six months after release.
Still on my wishlist:
-Autosave optional by app
-Versions optional by app
-keyboard shortcut for "Don't Save" in the dialog box
-optional less ugly ical/addressbook skins.
I'm not touching Lion on any computer I actually use for work until 10.7.4, and even then only if there's an Autosave on/off switch. Failing that, it's time to start looking seriously at non OS X installs for the next machines we add (and I get for myself). The good news: Avoiding Lion has already saved me over $1000 by forcing me to stick with my older MacBook Air instead of getting a new one for the better sound, better battery and extra snappiness.
Nuts that I want to buy a new Mac and for the sake of trying to force a few features I don't want/need Apple has given me good reasons not to.
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Yeah, many of the Lion concepts seem pretty good but it's like the Detroit concept cars that show "Tomorrow's Family Car" with ultra-tinted slit windows and running on rubber bands. Looks good to the designer but not at all what you need to get to the grocery store or for a trip on the highway to the office.
Google cal & contacts offline
My husband and I set up a shared Google account just for calendar and shared contacts. We both own iTouches and mostly offline except at home or hotel when traveling. For 3 years now Google sync has been a lifesaver. We can add a medical apt, doctor or family contact or travel reservation to any of our itouch or Mac or PC calendar and keep it in perfect sync. It may not be an app but it works so much better than any app or service or setting or software we have tried. No worry about being on or offline. As soon as we get back home it syncs everything automatically.
Saving thousands
Me Too! My 2009 MBA keyboard backlight died and I planned to replace for Christmas 2011. After trying out Lion on my iMac I decided to keep my MBA as long as possible. Will see what happens with Mac over the next 3-4 years. I've sworn off software purchases unless critical until then which is saving me even more hundreds of $$$.
I may take it in for repair or perhaps unscrew and blow out dust or reinstall OS. Can't hurt.
Me Too! My 2009 MBA keyboard backlight died and I planned to replace for Christmas 2011. After trying out Lion on my iMac I decided to keep my MBA as long as possible. Will see what happens with Mac over the next 3-4 years. I've sworn off software purchases unless critical until then which is saving me even more hundreds of $$$.
I may take it in for repair or perhaps unscrew and blow out dust or reinstall OS. Can't hurt.
I wanted to downgrade to Snow Leopard, but can't find my SL discs. So I downgraded to Leopard. And Yes, I'd rather run Leopard than Lion.
We'll see how this new update turns out. The fact that it's taken them this long to deal with all these bugs is recockulous in the first place, but let's hope they are at least addressed.
I'd like my battery life back, my audio to output properly, and for programs like iPhoto to not pinwheel for minutes with every little edit. If it seems like the update fixes major issues without causing others (like the "no Airport" I keep hearing about), then I'll reinstall.
But the luster is off Apple forever in my eyes. Lion will be a black eye on the computer division for a decade. I understand the company cares more about mobile devices than computers, but at least don't destroy what you've built!
We'll see how this new update turns out. The fact that it's taken them this long to deal with all these bugs is recockulous in the first place, but let's hope they are at least addressed.
I'd like my battery life back, my audio to output properly, and for programs like iPhoto to not pinwheel for minutes with every little edit. If it seems like the update fixes major issues without causing others (like the "no Airport" I keep hearing about), then I'll reinstall.
But the luster is off Apple forever in my eyes. Lion will be a black eye on the computer division for a decade. I understand the company cares more about mobile devices than computers, but at least don't destroy what you've built!
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Yes, it does!
Thanks! I had no idea. A decade or more of CMD-d for "Don't" is going to be hard to let go of. CMD+Backspace (and so does CMD-Delete) works takes two hands and will need some relearning, but it's better than being forced to switch to the mouse for such a common/simple function.
However, I can't see why CMD-d for "Don't" has been removed. Novices won't know it's there so it won't hurt them, and I'm sure thousands of users have been frustrated by this change/omission.
Thanks! I had no idea. A decade or more of CMD-d for "Don't" is going to be hard to let go of. CMD+Backspace (and so does CMD-Delete) works takes two hands and will need some relearning, but it's better than being forced to switch to the mouse for such a common/simple function.
However, I can't see why CMD-d for "Don't" has been removed. Novices won't know it's there so it won't hurt them, and I'm sure thousands of users have been frustrated by this change/omission.
Anyone running the new update (when the time arrives for playing on it for you all)
- Resolve issues authenticating with directory services
- Address compatibility issues with Windows file sharing
Let me know how these go, appreciate it much.
Hate to quote my own post- but are there any users with this experience?
I see a new machine on the horizon; and want to be locked and loaded if Lion is a forced OS. From what I am reading around; it's still has some major weak points which are deal killers for a lot of folks.
Thx.
Else they understand that one size fits all solutions aren't the best in every imaginable situation, and prefer the option of implementing procedures which fit their own workflow.
You sound like Rumsfeld on the Iraqi WMD's that never were:
Your saying so repeatedly simply doesn't make something true.
That's the way reality works.
Do you have evidence for your claim of "far superior for the vast majority of users"? I haven't seen anything convincing. "Really screws over a large minority of users" is likely an equally apt description.
Please explain why:
1) not being able to easily move a Window from one Space to the next is better
- i.e. the stacked Windows forces you to use App Expose, which takes you out of Mission Control and thus, you cannot move the window to a new space without having your view swing back and forth.
2) why not being able to see everything that is going on in your system at once and brought together onto one display is better.
3) why having to select an App to find a Window hidden behind a stack of Windows is better
4) Versions does a poor job of NOT saving documents and now you have to go through a lot more steps: involving menu item selections, then an animation, then a computer thinking and collection versions, then being presented with a timeline of changes, then trying to find the correct version that doesn't have the changes you don't want, and then going through another animation.
- All that just to not save a document.
- Why exactly is that better than Apple having implemented a simple "Don't Save" menu and keyboard command?
5) Why is having files automatically overwritten if they are on a non-HFS drive is better?
6) Why is files suffer data corruption from the poor implementation of Versions is better?
7) Please explain why grey icons are ALWAYS better for everyone, even those that remember things by color? Why is this better than putting in an option in the Preference Pane?
8) Why should I have to unselect "Reopen Windows..." every time I restart my computer? Why is this better than Apple implementing a simple "remember always" option?
If MC and Versions is so much better, why don't you take the time to actually detail why it is better? Instead of just putting out blanket statements while disregarding the detailed explanation by others regarding their dislike of Lion.
Yep. I too am waiting to be "enlightened" by the Lion following that claim all is well and improved with MC and Versions. Specifically... those that came from Snow Leopard.
Seriously. I have an open mind on this. Well, maybe not on MC because nobody will ever convince me that "less is better" in comparison to Spaces/Expose.
My supposed fix drew a blank in the end. I think i'm reaching my tolerance limit with Lion.
I could run my mac for over 30 days without so much as a flinch yet with Lion i find myself restarting every other day to clear out one issue or another. Ridonkulous.
I could run my mac for over 30 days without so much as a flinch yet with Lion i find myself restarting every other day to clear out one issue or another. Ridonkulous.
The pleasures of SL
Thank you for a very well laid out response that echoes my experience. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Aidoneius' post presents the opinion that Lion's method is far superior but the post lacks examples, facts or details to support that claim.
Lion has not earned my respect and in my opinion SL, for my purposes, is to me, a superior product. Why else would I pay for Lion, install it, invest in Lion compatible software, spend weeks learning it and then return to SL?
When I upgraded from Leopard to SL I never regretted the time money it took, instead I upgraded my other 2 Macs.
I did not experience anything in Lion that encouraged me to stay with it. I had to force myself to stay with it. Finally I woke up one day and said, why am I so miserable. I bought my Macs to ENJOY them.
When I downgraded to SL, I actually felt compelled to sit down and work again. I was smiling. I was productive. I was once again in my own little Mac-Heaven.*
Thank you for a very well laid out response that echoes my experience. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Aidoneius' post presents the opinion that Lion's method is far superior but the post lacks examples, facts or details to support that claim.
Lion has not earned my respect and in my opinion SL, for my purposes, is to me, a superior product. Why else would I pay for Lion, install it, invest in Lion compatible software, spend weeks learning it and then return to SL?
When I upgraded from Leopard to SL I never regretted the time money it took, instead I upgraded my other 2 Macs.
I did not experience anything in Lion that encouraged me to stay with it. I had to force myself to stay with it. Finally I woke up one day and said, why am I so miserable. I bought my Macs to ENJOY them.
When I downgraded to SL, I actually felt compelled to sit down and work again. I was smiling. I was productive. I was once again in my own little Mac-Heaven.*
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I love Lion
Lion has been rock solid for me on both my iMac and MacBook Pro and I have never considered reverting to SL. My top features are FileVault 2, multi-touch gestures (especially 'lookup'), AirDrop (would really miss this). I love the easy access to accented characters, have never used Mission Control, mixed feelings about locked files.
Lion has been rock solid for me on both my iMac and MacBook Pro and I have never considered reverting to SL. My top features are FileVault 2, multi-touch gestures (especially 'lookup'), AirDrop (would really miss this). I love the easy access to accented characters, have never used Mission Control, mixed feelings about locked files.